Spread of Nazism! help - Rust

This is 11 years old and just as true today as it was in 2004: [IMG]http://art.penny-arcade.com/photos/215499488_8pSZr/0/1050x10000/215499488_8pSZr-1050x10000.jpg[/IMG] I've been called a nigger in an online game by a kid that could not have been older than eight years old. And I was on his team. I could only laugh at how stupid he is (and GTFO of that lobby as soon as the round ended and blocked his stupid ass), but if that kid doesn't learn as he grows up, one day he's going to say it to the wrong guy and end up in hospital if he's lucky. If the server admin (if you're not on an official server) won't ban people who are genuinely being racist or otherwise throwing hate speech/hate symbols around, find a new server. If you are the server admin and you don't have a modded server to inspect sign ownership, spectate users and then kickban them when you finally catch the assholes. Rust didn't make anyone racist. Rust added skin tone diversity and female characters (and paintable signs). The results of these changes had the side effect of revealing certain players to be horrible people. They were there before, they just didn't have much to worry about because everyone was the same bald white guy. It's no different than practically any other online game. Hell, I saw an Xbox Live ban appeal (in their forum for that) years back where a mom (or her son pretending to be his mom) appealed a ban and claimed innocence, and then XBL staff came back and confirmed that the under-18 son's account was terminated because he was flashing people his genitals over his Xbox 360's Webcam in [B]UNO[/B].

I am not reading through all this as I am of the opinion it's mainly this vs. that. This game OP is open to many facets of life and culture as are many online multiplayer games. I will say that I noticed this on my servers before when signs made their appearance.I didn't like it one bit. I probably abused my rights by doing so but I removed them from their base,nothing else. On my server, it would not be tolerated. However, I also know that it is everyone's right to expression no matter what you or myself or anyone else thinks. And if I am a guest on another server and I see this, it is my call to make the admin[s] aware (which in all honesty may truly get you nowhere as some admin/mods may just not think it is a big deal or even care) of the situation, go ahead and continue to play or leave. Fortunately, this is a day and age where you have the ability to change things for yourself. You probably won't change another. In essence, this is rampant across all platforms and all genres of gaming. Learn to deal with the reality of this and/or maybe you should just go outside.

[QUOTE=Evil Flanker;48451565]Urrmmm no I'm ASKING if we are tollerate nazi symbolism, philosophies and racism, where do you draw the line on tollerance and should what I gave as an example also be tollerated. Where is the line drawn? Just to illustrate a point.[/QUOTE] Where we drawn the line is where it becomes an actual effect on a person's like. Put up all the signs of intolerance you want but it is not until the point that you act intolerant to others that is should be a banable offense. For example in america it is not illegal for an individual to own and fly a nazi flag, however it is illegal to go around killing Jews or otherwise discriminating. This is because of freesom of speech. You are as free to say stupid shit as I am free to call you stupid for saying such shit. But actions that infringe on the freedoms of others must be banned in order to protect those freedoms. Nothing I say can take away your freedoms, but things I "do" can take away your freesom. That being said an admin can so what they want with their server.

It's simples, You put a Nazi sign up or talk n@gger /Jew stuff - I/we will find you and cave your skull in. This way you have freedom of speech, everybody's happy!

[QUOTE=TheDarkSessio;48453475]But theres really a lot of Racism. I hear the N-Word like 30 times a day in Rust. I lost faith in humanity. I know its not true, but it seems to me that like 80% of the internet users are racists.[/QUOTE] There is also the problem that most people don't like black people (for obvious reasons) [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Racism" - Craptasket))[/highlight]

[QUOTE]That's a problem that plagues Rust. The 13 year old playerbase is enamored by pictures of Swastikas and "I hate ni**ers" signs.[/QUOTE] Oh, I saw servers where not 13 year old admins do that...

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;48453418]Well, first, he thinks I don't understand his arguments (I do, they're just [I]awful[/I], like comparing a crudely drawn swastika, by probably a 14-year-old thinking he's edgy and cool like 4chan, with real-world rape and murder), then he calls me a troll. Then he tells me I contribute nothing and usually don't make any sense. Then he tells me I'm an imbecile. I don't see any kindness to return, especially since his arguments are primarily based on emotional arguments and intellectual dishonesty. If he wants a serious argument he should try making serious arguments instead of slippery slope fallacies and then insulting and attacking anyone who disagrees with him. I can't take him seriously from his posts in this thread. The best thing about Rust is that, if someone's being edgy and drawing swastikas on signs, you can cave their head in with a rock and teabag their bleeding-out body.[/QUOTE] You obviously don't understand a few things, so let me put you straight.... Punctuation.... A question mark denotes a question! - Which is what I asked - Where do we draw the line? This is not an argument, this is as punctuation denotes a question! You usually do not make any sense, instead attacking me with the likes of 'logically fallacious argument' and things you actually make up, not only in this thread, but others too.... Which leads me to... I don't know if it's ignorance or stupidity that leads you to believe that saying a comment is imbecilic is the same as calling an individual an imbecile - It is not! [editline]14th August 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=AshFirecrest;48452100]This is exactly the sort of ridiculous over-reaction I was referring to. To answer your question directly, I never said "people should tollerate nazi philosophies, symbolism and racism". AT BEST, you could perhaps take from my post a tollerence of Nazi symbols. However there is NOTHING in what I said that indicates we should tolerate their philosophies or racism (or any of the other shit you tacked onto it). What you've done here is called a straw man argument and it's exactly the kind of over the top bullshit that I was talking about when I said this kind of stuff can be taken way too far. We're talking about a bunch of kids drawing lines on a sign in a game in a way they know will get a rise out of people. Most likely the kids aren't even racist. They're just doing it because they like the reaction it gets. If happy faces and flowers got people like you worked up like this, they'd be drawing that. So, to answer your other question... Yes, a Nazi symbol is a shit ton less offensive when drawn by adolescent teens on a sign in a game for giggles than it is hanging from a burning cross in a yard. This seems obvious to me. Honestly, symbols are symbols. They only have the power people give them. It's what people DO that matters, not what they show. I think it's almost always absurd to get up in arms, offended or even upset about symbols.[/QUOTE] Another one who wishes to fly off with some rant about some bullshit... you made a comment... 'but it's sad when "tolerance" goes so far overboard that it becomes "intolerance" in itself.' So... I simply asked a question regarding that statement. 'So you're saying people should tollerate nazi philosophies, symbolism and racism....?' Which you completely failed to address hence the 'rant about some bullshit' comment..... Instead focussing on a quote that was not made to you! - Incidentally racism and the like is just as offensive in a game as RL - In fact it could be argued more so as the individuals are more anonymous. [editline]14th August 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Mezamorphis;48452508]he is part of the #I'moffendedbyeverything group and he has to be a social justice warrior[/QUOTE] Another moronic comment, based on what facts sir? You know nothing about me, so making that assumption is indeed moronic, I do indeed find it offensive for the simple reason many millions gave their lives to fight what the nazi party held true in their beliefs. In my view it is an insult to their memory and this deeply offends me.

I am vehemently against Nazism, but I will totally paint a swastika sign in Rust if I think it will offend someone. I tend to just paint Huge Wooden cocks like everyone else though.

[QUOTE=DCWarHound;48455569]There is also the problem that most people don't like black people (for obvious reasons)[/QUOTE] What are those "obvious" reasons for hating black people? You know apartheid ended long ago, right?

evil, it's amusing seeing this derail to people babbling about the morality of racism online. that said, you may need to take a step back from this since it's mostly you derailing it by trying to force your opinions on racism down other peoples throats. people being racist sucks. it's ignorant and hurtful, whether its in real life or via an internet connection. but all the OP wanted to know is if they can track signs that have offensive material on them. they didn't ask if it was acceptable to ban people based on signs they have made, and it's not our call as it is their server and they can run it as they please. they didn't ask if the rust community think the swastika is offensive, or if the "n" word offends us. their question was answered in the 3rd post BY YOU. personally i'd rather play on a server where admins ban people for being ANY kind of asshat. [QUOTE=elixwhitetail;48456212]What are those "obvious" reasons for hating black people? You know apartheid ended long ago, right?[/QUOTE] yeah, south african flag elix. there's too much racial shit going on there between whites and blacks, all the "intelligent" decisions Bob has made that basically mean the whole country is at war with itself.

Guys wake up omg... :D its only a stupid game... nothing more... nothing less... It's completely paralel world. If you can kill someone and then eat is meat... why you cant join a nazi or communist clan ? In real world yea lets get rid of nazi / communist / Islam and these kind of stupid things... but in a fuckin game ? Lets build our alter ego as we want to.... :D Dont be stupid. If someone who is offended by nazi see the nazi house... he will likely want to destroy it... So whats the problem ? I Like when someone puts Islam picture on his house... its like he is saying... ,,Come and kill me,,. I already destroyed 1 islam and 2 nazi houses on London 1.

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;48456212]What are those "obvious" reasons for hating black people? You know apartheid ended long ago, right?[/QUOTE] Well i don't want to turn this into a racial discussion thread but to keep it short. Black protests are rarely peaceful,most black run governments fall due to corruption and greed,some blame others for their own mistake (usually targeting other races as the scapegoat) and their Ethics,Morals or both are different to ours. I live in South Africa so i have to deal with them on a day to day basis,not all of them are bad though and there are many that want to change the country for the better (none of the "transformation" nonsense) I'll probably get "disagree" and "dumb" tags for this which is expected

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;48456212]What are those "obvious" reasons for hating black people? You know apartheid ended long ago, right?[/QUOTE] Because most of em have a bigger penis... inferiority complex.

[QUOTE=DCWarHound;48456333]Well i don't want to turn this into a racial discussion thread but to keep it short. Black protests are rarely peaceful,most black run governments fall due to corruption and greed,some blame others for their own mistake (usually targeting other races as the scapegoat) and their Ethics,Morals or both are different to ours. I live in South Africa so i have to deal with them on a day to day basis,not all of them are bad though and there are many that want to change the country for the better (none of the "transformation" nonsense) I'll probably get "disagree" and "dumb" tags for this which is expected[/QUOTE] you probably won't get any understanding about the state of SA and Zim here, but i appreciate what you are talking about. it's a terrible situation, but you'll find most of those comments are not as applicable outside of africa.

[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika[/url] It's only recently been used for a Nazi symbol. It has been used for thousands of years before that.

[QUOTE=HonoredShadow;48456751][url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika[/url] It's only recently been used for a Nazi symbol. It has been used for thousands of years before that.[/QUOTE] True but Adolf Hitler ruined the true meaning of it. The swastika was a symbol of luck and now it reminds everyone of genocid and other horrible crimes. Im from germany. The swastika, a hand full nordic runes and some other symbols used by nazis are forbidden here. [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strafgesetzbuch_section_86a[/url] There is not a single day without talk about it.

It's a phase. They'll grow up and realize that shouting 'faggot', 'nigger', and 'Hitler did nothing wrong' every 3.8 seconds is a recipe for disaster. The ones that don't grow out of it wind up flippin' my burgers, have no friends, are dead, or all of the above.

This turned into a argument over a simple question. I think that we should just answer it (which I think it has), and stop arguing. :excited:

[QUOTE=VanguardElite;48457192]This turned into a argument over a simple question. I think that we should just answer it (which I think it has), and stop arguing. :excited:[/QUOTE] But that would actually be helpful...we can't have any of that.

If you're an admin and find signs like this out in the open on your server, fly around and destroy them as you find them. Send out console messages saying that these things are not permitted and anyone caught doing them will be banned. That's what I do on the server I admin. I'm pretty tolerant of what people put on signs, but I do draw the line on hate material. I don't give a shit what people put on the signs they have inside their bases, where only they can see them, but if it's outside where everyone can see, then I remove them.

[QUOTE=Crunchmeister;48457332]If you're an admin ...[/QUOTE] Me too, we work in identical manner :smile:

[QUOTE=Evil Flanker;48456123]Punctuation.... A question mark denotes a question! - Which is what I asked - Where do we draw the line? This is not an argument, this is as punctuation denotes a question![/quote] You know no one is buying this, right? Your "question" was obviously rhetorical because you went on to answer it yourself with a bunch of exaggerated nonsense that no one was even remotely implying. So yeah, you're not fooling anyone with the "I was just asking a question, guys" routine. [QUOTE=Evil Flanker;48456123]you made a comment... 'but it's sad when "tolerance" goes so far overboard that it becomes "intolerance" in itself.' So... I simply asked a question regarding that statement. 'So you're saying people should tollerate nazi philosophies, symbolism and racism....?' Which you completely failed to address hence the 'rant about some bullshit' comment.....[/quote] [QUOTE=AshFirecrest;48452100]...there is NOTHING in what I said that indicates we should tolerate their philosophies or racism (or any of the other shit you tacked onto it)...[/QUOTE] I honestly don't know how I could answer your bullshit "question" any more clearly than that. [QUOTE=Evil Flanker;48456123]Another moronic comment, based on what facts sir? You know nothing about me, so making that assumption is indeed moronic, I do indeed find it offensive for the simple reason many millions gave their lives to fight what the nazi party held true in their beliefs. In my view it is an insult to their memory and this deeply offends me.[/QUOTE] He pejoratively called you a social justice warrior, you deny it, then defend yourself with massive social justice warrior-ing. :goodjob:

[QUOTE=Nero_ink;48457409]Me too, we work in identical manner :smile:[/QUOTE] Yeah, myself and another admin regularly fly around looking for signs that are pushing the boundaries of acceptability. And we do realize that most of the people doing this are just kids doing it for shock value, nothing more, so I sort of laugh at the SJW-themed "Spread of Nazism" title of this thread. If it gets a rise out of people, kids will do it. Most will stop if they're told it's against the rules. Those that have been warned and disregard the rules get banned. Simple as that.

This is actually kinda funny to see people trying to enforce morality rules on a game with no rules! What happened to all the we want freedom chants! Who cares what the 12 years olds do, those opposed should gang up and kill them off, destroy their base and hunt them to extinction just like we did to the Nazi's in WWII.

Oh god, this thread again... If you don't like free speech, play on a server that limits it. There's plenty out there. You live in your bubble and leave others to live their own lives. The earlier comments about people seeking something to crusade about are very true. Some people are always looking for something to get fuhrious over. Anne Frankly, I think it's just silly.

everyone needs to remember one common truth of the human condition, "the guy with the biggest gun wins". Just hunt the nazi scum, might give your players something to do which this game really lacks right now.

Just putting in 2 cent. More like a hay-penny actually, but regardless.... I don't believe there are actually Nazis, Terrorists and Gay-bashers playing this game. They just have a chance to not be judged IRL. Textbook trolls who say what they want to say, because they want to piss you off or get attention. Then when called on it, deny and say they say what they said because "Free Speech" Let me just say. Free speech means the government cannot control what you say. It does NOT mean you aren't responsible for what you say. People know this, which is why they spout shit here. Before anyone claims to be a Nazi in response, I'd also like to mention, Neo Nazis are not all ignorant racists. hell, some of them have masters degrees, and phds. they spout hate, but they dont run around online hiding behind a username. they get swastikas tattooed on their face for crying out loud. So yea. dont read into it.99.9% of the time its some 10 year old craving attention, who's parents don't pay enough attention to tell half the shit little billy posts. Feel kinda bad for the kid actually.

[QUOTE=Evil Flanker;48451268]So you're saying people should tollerate nazi philosophies, symbolism and racism....? A whole generation did that and it resulted in millions of deaths worldwide. Perhaps we should tollerate murder, pedophilia, rape and other monsterous crimes as well.[/QUOTE] Murder and cannibalism are not only tolerated in Rust, they're encouraged.

[QUOTE=mrknifey;48456227] personally i'd rather play on a server where admins ban people for being ANY kind of asshat. [/QUOTE] That would be a pretty lonely server

The game has player freedom and freehand drawing tools, ofc you are going to see a lot of penises, swastikas and otherwise. Fact is it's entirely down to server owners to regulate, if it offends you that much and admins wont do anything about it, then you will just have to either take care of it yourself or find somewhere else to play. Personally I don't really understand how anyone can be particularly offended by a random swastika sign or even people running around roleplaying as neo nazis or whatever, 'its just a game', 'they are just kids trying to get a rise out of people' etc, unless they are carrying it into chat and targeting/abusing/griefing specific people because of it. Whatever floats your boat though.