Game would be cool without military grade equipment. - Rust

[QUOTE=Teleskop;42731977]Wouldnt it?Imagine,bows,handcannons,pipe shotguns fights instead of m4 with holo and silencer :x Addition of javelins/throwing rocks and some meele weapon made especially for fighting (like sword from sharpened piece of metal sheet/rarely found machetes) would even spice things up! BTW,isnt it the hand cannon? :D [url]http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/weissent/akk.jpg[/url][/QUOTE] Okay so you want the game to be minecraft?

cant compare Minecraft and rust so very diff games...

[QUOTE=damnationz;42770609]Maybe they could replace it with a Semi Auto M4?[/QUOTE] How many people are there in the US? How many of them own AR15's? Go look up those numbers can come back to me when you realize how RARE AR's would have to be in Rust for your suggestion to be realistic. The "high grade" weapons in this game should be like modern pistols, tube mag shotguns, and hunting rifles. Those should be the "powerful" weapons and they'd only be "powerful" because they hold more bullets per reload and have faster reload functions. Everything else should be hand made, single (or double in the case of double barrel), guns. MAYBE I could see a craftable revolver and/or a leveler action rifle but that would be the top craftable weapon you should see and only those because they could be made by hand. Other than that, things like AR's and MP5's should just flat out be left out of the game. (P.S. A fully automatic MP5 costs over $10k to purchase so that should tell you JUST how rare it would be even in a place like Nevada where civilians CAN legally own fully-automatic weapons).

This post is just dumb. Just remove it. The game currently is amazing, changes made with the weapons will just ruin it.

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[QUOTE=damnationz;42772788]This post is just dumb. Just remove it. The game currently is amazing, changes made with the weapons will just ruin it.[/QUOTE] I'm betting you're one of the little kids that lives on this game and spends most of his time running around killing people. [editline]6th November 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=damnationz;42761649]And this is just a game, its not meant to be realistic anyways. I am gonna stop here.[/QUOTE] They why don't we add in RPG's and maybe kill streaks so you can have an airplane roll over and carpet bomb the neighborhood to make your raiding easier. This is a survival builder, not Columbine. Post apocalyptic movies have LOTS of killing because it makes for a more entertaining movie (more people have seen Mad Max than have ever seen The Road because The Road is a boring story, even if I think it's a better story) but in reality, you're MUCH more likely to be friendly to those you don't know because it's in the interest of the species's survival (unless you're cool with in-breeding). This is why human violence was only found during mating practices up until the species moved from a hunter-gather society to an agrarian society around 10,000 BC (at the end of the last ice age). Then again I'm sure you didn't realize this because you spend your time t-bagging people in games instead of watching the history channel or reading a book.

really?? u honestly have the worst idea ever.

I would love to see the removal of current modern weapons when i first crafted the pipe rifle my hope for this game skyrocketed. Weapons like the bow and the handcannon fit in with this game so well its ridiculous. only for that perfect sense of rust to be removed by an m4 with a suppressor. I also think modern weapons could stay as an endgame with some changes like perhaps extremely rarely you can loot a "salvageable" m4 its a useless unshootable carcass of a gun that you can rebuild with a lot of resources and the finished shootable product is a rusty scrapped together fallout-ish m4

[QUOTE=Jason Perk;42770651]Okay so you want the game to be minecraft?[/QUOTE] The fuck is it with you guys? Someone asks for slight changes ( That would makee the gameplay interesting ) And you all reply with "It's not minecraft" "Minecraft" "Blablabla Minecraft" If you like minecraft so much, go fuckin play it. It's annoying to see these posts.

Just thought I'd add to the debate, I have decided to RP as a low-tech survivor. If a clan or hackers attacks my house, there is nothing much in the way of loot that wont take me 5 minutes to replace, there's no Kevlar, M4s, 5.56mm, metal building parts, C4 or anything like that. It makes the game more fun, challenging and gives a greater sense of immersion. I love using the bow and the pipe shotgun. The hand cannon is a little too unpredictable when you want it to actually fire, but I think it could be good for the surprise one-shot kill. I've played for a few weeks now, through several wipes and the whole modern weapons and armour parts of the game are now dull. I just wish C4 was replaced with a low-tech alternative so I don't have to spend most of the game after a wipe chasing air-drops, as that too becomes boring very quickly. Keep it if the resources to make are raised but don't gate the ability to make it in the first place. To finish, this game is great fun and I like the way it's going, keep up the good work devs.

[QUOTE=Chullster;42774237]Just thought I'd add to the debate, I have decided to RP as a low-tech survivor. If a clan or hackers attacks my house, there is nothing much in the way of loot that wont take me 5 minutes to replace, there's no Kevlar, M4s, 5.56mm, metal building parts, C4 or anything like that. It makes the game more fun, challenging and gives a greater sense of immersion. I love using the bow and the pipe shotgun. The hand cannon is a little too unpredictable when you want it to actually fire, but I think it could be good for the surprise one-shot kill. I've played for a few weeks now, through several wipes and the whole modern weapons and armour parts of the game are now dull. I just wish C4 was replaced with a low-tech alternative so I don't have to spend most of the game after a wipe chasing air-drops, as that too becomes boring very quickly. Keep it if the resources to make are raised but don't gate the ability to make it in the first place. To finish, this game is great fun and I like the way it's going, keep up the good work devs.[/QUOTE] Agreed. But ( I don't want to be that guy, but! ) It is still alpha, there will be hundreds ( Maybe even thousands ) of new items added to the game, They just keep the current military weps so they have some sort of guns in the game, without them, you would just see full kevlar dudes with pipe shotguns and hand cannons. I strongly think that they should remove high end weapons from craftin and only keep them in airdrops ( Make them not researchable, or maybe make them super expensive, like. a 100 Low.q. metal for a shutgun, 150 for a mp5 and 250 for a m4. ) But if they do that, there will be clans guarding airdrops and rocks like they are made out of pure gold. There needs to be some major balance between these things, and that is just up for the devs to create.

My hobby is murder any tools you give me to achieve my favorite past time is great. From the rock you start with to the M4, I have no preference I just like killing.

[QUOTE=DrABK;42773229] Post apocalyptic movies have LOTS of killing because it makes for a more entertaining movie (more people have seen Mad Max than have ever seen The Road because The Road is a boring story, even if I think it's a better story) but in reality, you're MUCH more likely to be friendly to those you don't know because it's in the interest of the species's survival (unless you're cool with in-breeding).[/QUOTE] There are a few problems with this logic. First, we don't know that this is actually post apocalyptic at all. It could just be some kind of future hunger games sort of thing as has been suggested before so until we know the actual backstory to this game we can't make assumptions like these based on what we think it MIGHT be. Second, all of the characters are currently male. There's no incentive to do anything "in the interest of the species' survival" when there's only a single gender present. From what I've heard they're planning to add females to the game but until that happens the game represents a hopeless situation for humanity anyway. Third, you may be more likely to not kill on sight in this kind of situation but I wouldn't necessarily say you'd be more likely to be "friendly," especially if you already have your own decent sized group of people. If we really do want to operate under the assumption that this is a post apocalyptic setting then people would be very distrustful of one another simply because of the limited resources available, not to mention the possibility of inviting someone whose mind was broken by the apocalypse into your group. There's a great deal of risk involved in dealing with other people under such circumstances and people would only take that risk as much as they needed to for the sake of survival.

[QUOTE=Jason Perk;42770651]Okay so you want the game to be minecraft?[/QUOTE] No,lets make it CoD with buildings! Wohooo!

What I'm getting from this is someones too upset at the end game weapons because they can't get enough of them, good enough or can't avoid large clans and wants them to be done away with for a more primitive alternative, okay. Let me riddle you all this. Once cars are added, reinforcing the modern feel along with the already present power plants, factories, zombies with jeans etc. Don't you think the theme would be off?... Why would we do away with any modern elements? Hell, the airdrops going to drop.. stone axes and crossbows? okay that sure sounds fun... NOT! also with no modern weaponry raiding homes is invalid, no c4. [editline]6th November 2013[/editline] For all of you whiners saying its cod. You couldn't be more vain. Since when does cod have crafting...? just because you run across many gun ho people doesn't mean its cod it just means you're on a server filled with murderers, my advice.. GO PVE ;)

Only scrubs want to remove milit. grade weaponry. Just make it harder to get, not remove. Also , get good.

lol of course my comments dumb when i'm unveiling the foolishness of this post smh OP stop clicking dumb on my posts and actually beat me with a reason why it is in fact dumb to keep modern weaponry? By your logic we shouldn't have c4 but how would we get into bases....? derpadee dumb dee derpa

[QUOTE=Erimak;42776423]lol of course my comments dumb when i'm unveiling the foolishness of this post smh[/QUOTE] They just can't understand, that if the game is too hard for you, play other game.

[QUOTE=Erimak;42776423]lol of course my comments dumb when i'm unveiling the foolishness of this post smh OP stop clicking dumb on my posts and actually beat me with a reason why it is in fact dumb to keep modern weaponry? By your logic we shouldn't have c4 but how would we get into bases....? derpadee dumb dee derpa[/QUOTE] Says the guy who rated me with boxes and doesn't even construct a valid argument...

you argue realism in a game that allows you to stack boxes on yyour head, build in homes in actuall rocks construct metal structures on a wooden bench along with guns and armor... the games not realistic like that, i didn't feel the need to respond to someone who thinks a game like this is realistic now why i'm here is to get everyone to see that w/o c4 the games broken. classic cyborgt, can't come up with a reason why the game wouldn't be broken w/o c4 so he dumbs all my posts regarding it

[QUOTE=Erimak;42776423]lol of course my comments dumb when i'm unveiling the foolishness of this post smh OP stop clicking dumb on my posts and actually beat me with a reason why it is in fact dumb to keep modern weaponry? By your logic we shouldn't have c4 but how would we get into bases....? derpadee dumb dee derpa[/QUOTE] It's not the OP that's rating your posts dumb, I am. I haven't felt the need to bother arguing against your points because the answer to pretty much everything you've stated is already in this thread and I don't care to repeat what myself and others have said just because you didn't bother to read. As such, your posts get rated as dumb and I move on.

[QUOTE=Cyborgt;42777174]It's not the OP that's rating your posts dumb, I am. I haven't felt the need to bother arguing against your points because the answer to pretty much everything you've stated is already in this thread and I don't care to repeat what myself and others have said just because you didn't bother to read. As such, your posts get rated as dumb and I move on.[/QUOTE] buddy, you have no way of breaching bases w/o c4 especially if their metal. Do you expect garry to delete or change half of the game because you can't handle end game weaponry and dude actually respond to my recent posts lol you're late

[B][U]NEVER REMOVE, ONLY ADD!!!![/U][/B] No weapons should ever be removed from the game, ever, unless they are severely breaking the game. Make it so "Military Grade" weapons are much harder to obtain. Keep them craft able, but massively increase the amount of materials it takes to craft them. Add branches or tiers to crafting so you actually have to advance your ability to craft to make better weapons; ie. Hand Cannon > 9mm OR Pipe Shotgun > Shotgun. Everything shouldn't be knowledgeable from a blueprint or research kit, they should help you advance your knowledge to being able to craft bigger and better weapons. I personally enjoy a bow battle as much as I enjoy a M4 fight and have plenty of both.

As it stands actually the pipe shotgun is better then the regular shotgun... does a tiny bit less damage but has tighter spread..

Where did all the realism and L2p arguments come from? I just want the modern stuff removed as it's more enjoyable using the home made stuff that's in game already, so more of the same would be great with a low tech alternative to c4, battering ram or something? I'm not bothered. The m4's etc are easy to get and use, I have no problems there, they're just boring and seem out of place in Rust. There are much better games I've played using modern weapons, and I'll play them for that form of entertainment. I love playing rust for what those other games don't do.

Stop complaining about military weapons, Devs said they will never be removed, just harder to make. Stop complaining just because you get killed by them, sad day. get over it.

I think it would be fun to have a server where they only had crude weapons like OP stated. More melee weapons too. Also, removing metal doors from the server but in turn, making wooden doors a bit stronger. I think it would be fun and still have some fear factor running from a bunch of cavemen bambis lol

[QUOTE=Var;42778295]Stop complaining about military weapons, Devs said they will never be removed, just harder to make. Stop complaining just because you get killed by them, sad day. get over it.[/QUOTE] perfect, that'd be great if you could make each individual part of the gun and perhaps even customize them like longer barrel what kind of stock etc

[QUOTE=Erimak;42778325]perfect, that'd be great if you could make each individual part of the gun and perhaps even customize them like longer barrel what kind of stock etc[/QUOTE] Awesome idea. Dying would be muuuuch more painful, losing customized gun. Love it

[QUOTE=Erimak;42776814]you argue realism in a game that allows you to stack boxes on yyour head, build in homes in actuall rocks construct metal structures on a wooden bench along with guns and armor... the games not realistic like that, i didn't feel the need to respond to someone who thinks a game like this is realistic now why i'm here is to get everyone to see that w/o c4 the games broken. classic cyborgt, can't come up with a reason why the game wouldn't be broken w/o c4 so he dumbs all my posts regarding it[/QUOTE] If you think C4 is the only thing that keeps the game afloat, you should go get your head checked :)