Loin Cloth - Rust - Facepunch Forum

Well, actually, Daniel, no, this attitude kind of isn't as insane as you seem to think. Allow me to explain. Every change made to a piece of software sets up the potential for conflicts and glitches and mistakes, collectively known as bugs. Every change has to be weighed against the risk of it causing more problems. As a result, it is very bad coding practice to just dive headfirst into the problem and start twisting knobs and pulling levers and replacing chunks of code with stuff you wrote off the top of your head. That's how terrible things happen. No, you're not suggesting that, I'm aware, but that's to illustrate the importance of making sure changes count. Removing nudity or reskinning the model to cover up the ass and dick, no matter how you phrase it or try and present it, is a change, and it's a change that requires time and effort and carries the risk of causing more bugs in the game. This change, therefore, has a cost. This cost is development time (which directly translates into money when you get down to it). This cost has to be weighed against the cost of not changing anything. So far, the cost of not changing nudity is, some youtubers need to be careful in their editing if they are monetizing their channels (not garry's problem), Rust is definitely not going to be deemed suitable by a good portion of the parents of children who want to play it with nudity in the game (this is arguably a [B]plus[/B]), threads like this one get created in the forum periodically (a minor nuisance most of the time, and sometimes a source of amusement, so we'll call it even), and lost sales from the previously-mentioned parents and anyone else who is too uncomfortable with the human body to buy a Rust key. Creative integrity alone is probably worth fifty times the above costs, but I can't speak for garry.

Im not asking for anything to be removed or changed, simply a mechanic added. I think you are making the process seem much more complicated than the reality. These are professionals after all, and this is an alpha. Bugs are expected if any even come up. You are also making light of the issues. We are obviously never going to agree on this topic. You think its more trouble than its worth to take it out and i think its more trouble than its worth to leave it in.

[QUOTE=KillaMaaki;42789253]The character model was made by their artists, INTENTIONALLY. Before it was a soldier from a game demo that shiped with Unity. Actually, to cure your ignorance, how about I show you this blog post, from back when we were all still soldiers running around: "One of the things I want to do is make it so you start naked, like a caveman. This should reduce PVP – because who wouldn’t run from a naked guy with an axe." [url]http://garry.tv/page/16/[/url][/QUOTE] scares me more when they walk up to your fire at night and have just the head-wrap and hand-cannon....i most certainly run like hell

[QUOTE=Daniel Munoz;42792419]Im not asking for anything to be removed or changed, simply a mechanic added. I think you are making the process seem much more complicated than the reality.[/QUOTE] Convenient how [I]mechanics[/I] changes all seem to revolve around removing nudity. How about, when you're naked, you can only carry a maximum of two things? There, there's your realism solution. I don't see a reason to take it out, and your arguments have been unconvincing, at least to me. Change for the sake of change in coding is a bad habit.

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;42794012]Convenient how [I]mechanics[/I] changes all seem to revolve around removing nudity. How about, when you're naked, you can only carry a maximum of two things? There, there's your realism solution. I don't see a reason to take it out, and your arguments have been unconvincing, at least to me. Change for the sake of change in coding is a bad habit.[/QUOTE] That is obviously impractical. How can a system where your inventory is based on what you have equipped co-exist with the current system. It can't. It is not change for the sake of change, i already told you the reason behind having that system in place. Dying because someone took off their clothes is an option that is often abused.

So why does visible inventory require a near-complete load of clothing? If you've got a shotgun or M4 or something, have it slung over the back of your model if it's not equipped. If you've got more than 2-3 things in your inventory, have a rucksack on the character's back. As more things get thrown into the inventory, it becomes a larger backpack proportionally. That doesn't require clothing, and still conveys an impression of inventory and combat readiness.

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;42794086]So why does visible inventory require a near-complete load of clothing? If you've got a shotgun or M4 or something, have it slung over the back of your model if it's not equipped. If you've got more than 2-3 things in your inventory, have a rucksack on the character's back. As more things get thrown into the inventory, it becomes a larger backpack proportionally. That doesn't require clothing, and still conveys an impression of inventory and combat readiness.[/QUOTE] No i completely agree there, I was hoping they would add a primary and secondary weapon slot or something along those lines because of the same reason you just said. The only question is how would you spawn? Naked and with a backpack? It would just all work if you simply spawned with torn up clothes as if your character has already been surviving. If you could come up with an alternative i would be more than willing to hear it.

I am so glad that the devs put dicks in this game. Whenever I am sad, or depressed, I just come to the rust subforum and watch little kids whine about dicks in a game that is in no way made for them. I have made a flow chart on the subject: [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/L9v9LJL.png[/IMG]

[QUOTE=frozensoda;42794304]I am so glad that the devs put dicks in this game. Whenever I am sad, or depressed, I just come to the rust subforum and watch little kids whine about dicks in a game that is in no way made for them. I have made a flow chart on the subject: [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/L9v9LJL.png[/IMG][/QUOTE] that's stupid. the game isnt at all about dicks and definitely aren't the deciding factor in whether the game is for you or not. I find the nudity pretty hilarious at times but that doesn't mean I wouldn't like something to help people cover their dicks up faster.

[QUOTE=pragmatic1;42795806]I find the nudity pretty hilarious at times but that doesn't mean I wouldn't like something to help people cover their dicks up faster.[/QUOTE] Make/wear pants or embrace the dick. Is this logic [I]really[/I] so hard to follow? Garry's made it pretty clear he's not changing nudity.

[QUOTE=ZestyLemons;42796012]Make/wear pants or embrace the dick. Is this logic [I]really[/I] so hard to follow? Garry's made it pretty clear he's not changing nudity.[/QUOTE] this isnt a black and white thing. I never said I was against nudity, I just think it should be easier for day ones to cover there shame. I don't really see the opposition to that, i'm not asking for anything major to be removed or changed. Plus loin cloths look cool, I could go conan the barbarian on some mother fuckers

The nudity is important for the gameplay... Let's all start todays rape-game.

Am I the only one who personally thinks the dick ratio is too low in the game? Rather than a craft-able loincloth, give me a craft-able strap-on I can slap somewhere to fulfill the dick quota

[QUOTE=Chullster;42787263]Why does it need to make sense to be naked in a game? Gary standing his ground on this makes me think Rust will end up being a great game as the devs wont pander to those with insecurities about the human form, casuals, console players and the other dirty "C" word: commercialization. So many shit software companies "want CoDs audience" or to "Appeal to a wider audience" well I can safely say those companies produce shit games after riding the coattails of earlier successes. See Morrowind-->Skyrim or BF2--->BF3 or 4 Facepunch seems like it's my kind of company, and Rust is my kind of game. LET THE DICKS FLY AROUND FOREVER!!!!!![/QUOTE] Meant to agree fuckin tablets

[QUOTE=HerpeSlurpee;42797918]Am I the only one who personally thinks the dick ratio is too low in the game? Rather than a craft-able loincloth, give me a craft-able strap-on I can slap somewhere to fulfill the dick quota[/QUOTE] Maybe give the animals dicks? like big floppy ones that drag a long the ground when you chase them

[QUOTE=pragmatic1;42798015]Maybe give the animals dicks? like big floppy ones that drag a long the ground when you chase them[/QUOTE] Why aren't you in the dev team? Brilliant idea +1 Garry you must hire this guy

Need some good cock physics first.

I hear Batman from US Central by PlayRust.EU has a tiny dick. They could bring him in to the studio for a few bucks and get some accurate cock physics off him...

I am not sure where people are getting this, "nudity is wrong" idea at. I feel like it is up to personal morals, I also say if you don't like seeing it, maybe you should either craft some pants for your fellow players or stop playing the game. This game is about survival and we have people killing each other for no reason, I don't see how that is okay and totally moral but yet nudity is so extremely wrong, I feel like the people who are against it are completely insecure with their sexuality. I, myself, don't even see the wangs when I see a naked player, I don't understand why some of you are staring at it.

[QUOTE=Var;42798252]I am not sure where people are getting this, "nudity is wrong" idea at. I feel like it is up to personal morals, I also say if you don't like seeing it, maybe you should either craft some pants for your fellow players or stop playing the game. This game is about survival and we have people killing each other for no reason, I don't see how that is okay and totally moral but yet nudity is so extremely wrong, I feel like the people who are against it are completely insecure with their sexuality. I, myself, don't even see the wangs when I see a naked player, I don't understand why some of you are staring at it.[/QUOTE] At the risk of firing this up again, I would like to point out that this isn't a debate about whether it is MORAL to BE nude versus the MORALITY of ACTUALLY killing people. This is a straw man that continues to be perpetuated. Simulated violence is not morally wrong and/or doesn't offend sensibilities to the same degree as SEEING someone nude in a game. YOU might not be offended, but that doesn't change the fact that game ratings would rank 'people running around in a game naked' worse than 'people running around shooting each other', especially in these early stages where the violence isn't even that realistic (no blood splatter, no impact response to those being hit, etc.). The ratings, while probably overly sensitive, do reflect society's norms in general more than the average Facepunch player/forum poster's norms. This is the debate. Yes, killing someone is worse than being nude. No one debates that fact.

[QUOTE=StryfeKhaos;42798322]At the risk of firing this up again, I would like to point out that this isn't a debate about whether it is MORAL to BE nude versus the MORALITY of ACTUALLY killing people. This is a straw man that continues to be perpetuated. Simulated violence is not morally wrong and/or doesn't offend sensibilities to the same degree as SEEING someone nude in a game. YOU might not be offended, but that doesn't change the fact that game ratings would rank 'people running around in a game naked' worse than 'people running around shooting each other', especially in these early stages where the violence isn't even that realistic (no blood splatter, no impact response to those being hit, etc.). The ratings, while probably overly sensitive, do reflect society's norms in general more than the average Facepunch player/forum poster's norms. This is the debate. Yes, killing someone is worse than being nude. No one debates that fact.[/QUOTE] I still don't care. The game will be rated Mature if ESRB ever gets a hold of it, I doubt they ever will, but who cares, it keeps the young'ns out of the game because the parents don't want the kid looking at wangs all day. I could care less, you are naked for what, 10 minutes, it isn't difficult to craft pants ya know.

[QUOTE=Var;42798342]I still don't care. The game will be rated Mature if ESRB ever gets a hold of it, I doubt they ever will, but who cares, it keeps the young'ns out of the game because the parents don't want the kid looking at wangs all day. I could care less, you are naked for what, 10 minutes, it isn't difficult to craft pants ya know.[/QUOTE] It isn't about BEING naked, it's about SEEING other people naked, which is something you can't really do anything about (besides not playing, obviously). I don't believe that it keeps young'n's out because I don't believe the average young'n's parents are involved enough to actually evaluate what their kids are playing, but that is a whole other discussion.

[QUOTE=StryfeKhaos;42798405]It isn't about BEING naked, it's about SEEING other people naked, which is something you can't really do anything about (besides not playing, obviously). I don't believe that it keeps young'n's out because I don't believe the average young'n's parents are involved enough to actually evaluate what their kids are playing, but that is a whole other discussion.[/QUOTE] If you aren't comfortable with your sexuality enough to see a fake 3D model naked man, than you might be gay man. I don't even notice the dong anymore.

[QUOTE=StryfeKhaos;42798322]At the risk of firing this up again, I would like to point out that this isn't a debate about whether it is MORAL to BE nude versus the MORALITY of ACTUALLY killing people. This is a straw man that continues to be perpetuated. Simulated violence is not morally wrong and/or doesn't offend sensibilities to the same degree as SEEING someone nude in a game. YOU might not be offended, but that doesn't change the fact that game ratings would rank 'people running around in a game naked' worse than 'people running around shooting each other', especially in these early stages where the violence isn't even that realistic (no blood splatter, no impact response to those being hit, etc.). The ratings, while probably overly sensitive, do reflect society's norms in general more than the average Facepunch player/forum poster's norms. This is the debate. Yes, killing someone is worse than being nude. No one debates that fact.[/QUOTE] I've always thought that modern western culture was generally a bit too stuck up about nudity/sex in its media so when I see any form of media just give those "sensibilities" the finger like this game does, I can't help but find it amusing and hope to see more. It just seems like such a contradiction to me that so many people see nudity and engage in sexual activity in the real world but it's considered somehow wrong to have it in any form of media. I mean, i'm not a big fan of sexual humor (I find it's too easy and 90% of the time isn't really funny) but a little nudity in a game that isn't even referenced sexually in ANY way is completely harmless to me. Nude does not equal sexual. It's simply the natural state of being for a human.

[QUOTE=Cyborgt;42798439]I've always thought that modern western culture was generally a bit too stuck up about nudity/sex in its media so when I see any form of media just give those "sensibilities" the finger like this game does, I can't help but find it amusing and hope to see more. It just seems like such a contradiction to me that so many people see nudity and engage in sexual activity in the real world but it's considered somehow wrong to have it in any form of media. I mean, i'm not a big fan of sexual humor (I find it's too easy and 90% of the time isn't really funny) but a little nudity in a game that isn't even referenced sexually in ANY way is completely harmless to me. Nude does not equal sexual. It's simply the natural state of being for a human.[/QUOTE] I agree. Unfortunately as a parent, I have pressure on me to conform to norms I may not even agree with because society as a whole, or at least the local society, does, and it's easier to conform than to 'buck the system' for something that really doesn't matter. If my son was old enough and mature enough to understand the issue, then it wouldn't be a big deal. I guess my only thing is that I don't personally believe that the 'shock value' or 'immersion' factor of having the players be completely nude is worth the limit the nudity puts on the game in terms of player numbers or exposure (pun intended) that can be made in public media. I also understand that Garry has his own goals that don't necessarily coincide with those things. [editline]8th November 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Var;42798432]If you aren't comfortable with your sexuality enough to see a fake 3D model naked man, than you might be gay man. I don't even notice the dong anymore.[/QUOTE] You REALLY don't understand the argument. Your gay comment is also unwarranted and shows a lack of understanding of sexuality. I am not offended by the 'dong'.

[QUOTE=StryfeKhaos;42798549]I agree. Unfortunately as a parent, I have pressure on me to conform to norms I may not even agree with because society as a whole, or at least the local society, does, and it's easier to conform than to 'buck the system' for something that really doesn't matter. If my son was old enough and mature enough to understand the issue, then it wouldn't be a big deal.[/QUOTE] Well, I don't remember if you said what age your son is but you might be surprised how mature a child can be in relation to these kinds of issues if you just give them the chance. They can often prove more mature than adults simply because they don't have decades of experience leading them in the wrong direction like many adults do. That being said, not exposing your child to certain forms of media you don't think they're ready for yet is a part of parenting. You can't expect to change that media to suit your needs, you just have to work around it. [QUOTE=StryfeKhaos;42798549] I guess my only thing is that I don't personally believe that the 'shock value' or 'immersion' factor of having the players be completely nude is worth the limit the nudity puts on the game in terms of player numbers or exposure (pun intended) that can be made in public media. I also understand that Garry has his own goals that don't necessarily coincide with those things.[/QUOTE] I'd be inclined to agree on this point for the simple reason that things like Youtube coverage tends to drastically boost the popularity of games and their sales along with it. The nudity in this game (while seemingly accepted by both Youtube and Twitch since both have a decent amount of video on it) seems to put people off the idea of covering it on their channel. This could work against Gary in the long run by reducing the amount of free advertising he could have received from these sources that indie companies like his usually rely upon. That being said, it's his choice to make and I think it's a good one. It might hurt sales but I tend to feel that a game should be designed in whatever way best fits that game's concept rather than to ensure the largest number of sales. That way of thinking generally leads to better overall games, even if they do end up with some annoying or unpopular aspects to them.

No one is running around in the game naked - its simulated by an avatar - as is the murders of innocent animals and people. So everything is moot - lock the thread - the answer is 42. Edit: Literally - I never notice anyones penis unless I am throwing pants @ them because they are THAT close to me.

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