[QUOTE=Downsider;43870397]Reverse engineering is a great skill in the field that you don't have and will never get without dipping into communities like this.[/QUOTE]
revers engineering != mpgh
hahaha
[QUOTE=Vatiox;43870898]This is ballcrap. The guy is simply asking a question and you guys rip his guts out.. cmon[/QUOTE]
Thank you!
[QUOTE=Tomthetechy;43871073]Holy shit, how did he think he would get away with this.[/QUOTE]
And getting away with what ? This is the reason why I first consulted the forums of this game developers if it may lead to VAC Ban or if it was safe to use... haven't done anything wrong ! so please people keep your sarcasm and false accusations to yourself
[QUOTE=Vilusia;43870767]No offense to johnnymad but ever since he started doing his detective stuff people like to copy him and make complete fools of themselves.[/QUOTE]
Yup, everyone wants to be me :v:
[QUOTE=jonnymad;43871562]Yup, everyone wants to be me :v:[/QUOTE]
Told you the Rust JDB needs ethics and evidence training.
[QUOTE=Itrme;43869959]Well, the fact that he is registered on such a site is interesting, but until he gets VAC banned I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.[/QUOTE]
Prove that's him. Prove its the same Steam ID. Are you willing to take a Toxx bet on it?
[editline]11th February 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=idonthinkso;43870089]omg GET THE FUCK OUTTA HERE you dirty cheater
he even hacked in dayz, just check his replies on multiplayergamefags[/QUOTE]
You're not helping, and I'm surprised it took you less than a day after getting unbanned to forget why it happened.
[QUOTE=Vilusia;43869841]You guys keep doing this junior detective bullshit lol. He asked a simple question regarding a map overlay, hes not even vac banned. [url]http://steamcommunity.com/id/mythran27[/url][/QUOTE]
Junior detectives? Hardly. It doesn't take a detective to use google.
Is it some other Mythran? Maybe. It just tends to make people suspicious when a user's first post is them worrying about being VAC banned.
It's obvious nobody in the community knows a definate answer, hoping a Mod or Dev will chime in and let us know.
I was wondering about this last week and asked without any answers. Not too worried about it now really, using the online maps while playing has helped learn the map pretty good by now, but would still be a decent tool to have available.
The negativity in this thread is horrible though, lighten up folks, sheesh.
[QUOTE=pandeh;43869845]Why are you registered to a hacking site?[/QUOTE]
i'm registered to MPGH becouse i used to hack on a game called WarRock back in 2007/08, but that does not mean i'm a hacker on rust
[QUOTE=Ideal-Hosting;43869787]Is it a cheat?
Yes = You will be banned
No = You won't be banned[/QUOTE]
Not very helpful. In a game that's heavily modded like this one, reasonable minds could disagree on what is an isn't a hack.
If you want to get down to brass tacks, one could say that anything you install that gives you an advantage over another player is a "hack." A mod improving your GUI could give you an advantage over another player with a "vanilla" GUI. So are you a hacker for using an improved GUI?
The OP's question is legit.
[QUOTE=idonthinkso;43871305]revers engineering != mpgh
hahaha[/QUOTE]
Literally everyone who makes cheats and bypasses on that forum for anything remotely complicated is way smarter than you.
[QUOTE=MyThRaN;43869831]In my opinion its not a cheat its just an overlay of the map ingame for easier navigation seeing there isn't any map and coordinates have been taken away , and one cant really use the sun rise and sunset as a constant to find your way through the huge map...[/QUOTE]
Maps, It's a feature that was not put into the game to probably encourage exploration and add fun to the game. Why should you have an advantage over everyone else on the server who isn't running a map overlay.
Mods for the game should effect everyone on the server in the same way, not give you the advantage.
It's a cheat, therefore you are a cheat for using it and got banned correctly.
Sure people can just load up a web browser and have the map there, but it's not in game so nothing they can do about it.
[QUOTE=PredGD;43869802]or more correctly, if it injects into the rust.exe VAC will catch on most likely.[/QUOTE]
Sorry to disappoint you, but that's incorrect.
[editline]12th February 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Mavajo;43872553]Not very helpful. In a game that's heavily modded like this one, reasonable minds could disagree on what is an isn't a hack.[/QUOTE]
That's where it's becoming tricky. Garry is the one deciding whether it's a hack or not. His statement has always been what I've asked in the second post. If it's a hack, you will be banned. So, if you want to be safe, don't use any modifications.
[QUOTE=Protocol7;43869806][url]http://www.mpgh.net/forum/members/2201732-mythran.html[/url]
Sure. "Map Overlays."[/QUOTE]
That isnt always very accurate, ie [url]http://www.mpgh.net/forum/members/143920-sio.html[/url].
I don't own that account, people use the same name online.
I'd assume it wouldn't be allowed. Due to the fact that you need to use an .exe whilst using Rust in windowed mode usually indicates that the software has to inject itself into rust, which will most likely be considered a "hack".
Other than that, there is no map in rust. Suddenly having one would mean having an advantage over a player unfamiliar with the place, and having no map at all.
Just my opinion. I'd refrain from using it.
[QUOTE=.sQuiF;43880076]I'd assume it wouldn't be allowed. Due to the fact that you need to use an .exe whilst [B]using Rust in windowed mode usually indicates that the software has to inject itself into rust[/B], which will most likely be considered a "hack".
Other than that, there is no map in rust. Suddenly having one would mean having an advantage over a player unfamiliar with the place, and having no map at all.
Just my opinion. I'd refrain from using it.[/QUOTE]
Well, the whole "window = inject" part is bullshit :P
You see, if you inject something, you [B]don't[/B] have to run it windowed. The reason (most likely) that it requires to be ran in windowed mode is due to it rendering a transparent program on top of rust.
I dont even know why you guys are still arguing about this. This is CLEARLY a hack in some way and will get you banned + vac banned.
There's no such thing as "legal map overlay". Why would you need a map overlay anyway ? The only thing i think it would be nice in rust is a craftable compass and that's all.
People complaining about lack of map havent played the game longer than a day or build a base in one spot and never venture out. Even on 200+ server there are ways exploring the map - naked suicide runs are the best.
Or play this game to learn the map - suicide, respawn away from sleeping bag and try to find your way back to base. After few tries you'll have map in your head that is better than any overlay.
For those without sense of directions - do as johnny says: use steam overlay web browser, go to map of you choice - you have overlay map without risk of VAC ban.
[QUOTE=Ninjigo_UK;43879583]Maps, It's a feature that was not put into the game to probably encourage exploration and add fun to the game. Why should you have an advantage over everyone else on the server who isn't running a map overlay.
Mods for the game should effect everyone on the server in the same way, not give you the advantage.
It's a cheat, therefore you are a cheat for using it and got banned correctly.
Sure people can just load up a web browser and have the map there, but it's not in game so nothing they can do about it.[/QUOTE]
I disagree... An "advantage" would be having access, and using something others do not. This is available to anyone, and is not limited to anyone to use. The argument could be made that it is accessible to everyone, if you don't want to use it, you don't have to, but why punish the people that might want to use it?
What's the difference from me loading up a web browser on a second screen with a map that I don't have to tab out to see?
Where did it state anywhere that anyone has gotten banned for using it? The OP is either the developer or part of the team that developed this (lookup user mf2888, same person) So his credibility takes a hit there, posing as someone else, I'm sure there is a rule about that somewhere....
I personally don't need it, I have played long enough that I know where I am 90% of the time, but what advantage is it really if it was allowed. This is another case of people trying to tell other people how to play the game, or how they think it should be played. Until the devs chime in on this, nobody elses opinions on if it's legal or not matters. I think they should allow us to create maps in-game really, but that's just me.
between 250-300 hours on rust and i learnt the map off by heart in about 80-100 hours of the game. its not hard, or massively big.
There is no need for a map over or even risk getting banned for it. Why risk it?
Im sure you can load it up in steam community web browser and just shift tab to see it, why do u need to mess with the game?
Which kid does not have a phone or a ipad now a days? load it on that while you play.
[QUOTE=MyThRaN;43869777]Hi Everyone & Devs,
Read lots of forums recently concerning VAC Banning etc. but most of them are quite vague on this topic... I know most overlays like TeamSpeak , mumble etc is safe to use.
Can the devs / community please inform me if one can get VAC banned using this software for ingame map overlay? Don't wanto try it out if there isn't a definite answer of admin / developer that its safe to use.
[url]http://rustmapmarks.com/RustMapOverlay.php[/url]
Thanks and much appreciated
Again, I HAVE NOT USED this software and I am merely asking if it would be considered a hack or not.[/QUOTE]
you would be better off joining an oxide server running rustnuts.com location plugin gives realtime map location
[QUOTE=pandeh;43869845]Why are you registered to a hacking site?[/QUOTE]
I don't think being registered to a hack site automatically makes someone guilty. I've browsed those sites (though I can't remember if I registered or not) just to educate myself on what hacks are out there. Sometimes I don't know if there's something legitimate in the game I don't know about or if it's people cheating. I've discovered people are cheating before by seeing what hacks are available on these sites. For example, "Why was I just head shotted when I know there was nobody in sight anywhere near me and there's not even any cover for someone to hide in? Was someone cheating or is there a weapon mod or something I'm not aware of?" Turns out there are invis and aim hacks. Now I know.
That said I think false positives on the VAC and cheat punch bans seem to be extremely rare so 99% of these people claiming unfair bans are full of shit.
You're better off using Steam's web browser while at the In-Game Community screen and just go to a website that has rust maps.
[QUOTE=MyThRaN;43869777]Hi Everyone & Devs,
Read lots of forums recently concerning VAC Banning etc. but most of them are quite vague on this topic... I know most overlays like TeamSpeak , mumble etc is safe to use.
Can the devs / community please inform me if one can get VAC banned using this software for ingame map overlay? Don't wanto try it out if there isn't a definite answer of admin / developer that its safe to use.
[url]http://rustmapmarks.com/RustMapOverlay.php[/url]
Thanks and much appreciated
Again, I HAVE NOT USED this software and I am merely asking if it would be considered a hack or not.[/QUOTE]
u cheated nuff said, gtfo noob
[QUOTE=Vatiox;43870898]This is ballcrap. The guy is simply asking a question and you guys rip his guts out.. cmon[/QUOTE]
Map overlay pretty much is a cheat
you're meant to do that part manually / by memory.
unless its no different than a 2nd monitor with an image then whatever nothing anyone can do.
[QUOTE=momoman;43883269]u cheated nuff said, gtfo noob[/QUOTE]
What post were you reading? He asked a legit question about a tool to use with Rust, nowhere did he mention using cheats, or getting banned... He asked if it was possible.... Reading comprehension is a good thing......
[QUOTE=J!NX;43883302]Map overlay pretty much is a cheat
you're meant to do that part manually / by memory.
unless its no different than a 2nd monitor with an image then whatever nothing anyone can do. [/QUOTE]
Not being confrontational honest question though, where did you get that from? If it was explicitly mentioned by Gerry, or any other admin/dev I would like to see it.
I use two monitors (sometimes three), so does that mean I cheat?
Many of these comments on this thread are bashing the OP because "that isn't the way I do it, you HAVE to play like I want it played"..... Interesting considering this is a sandbox game, you are supposed to have some freedom to play how you see fit in a sandbox game. For that matter all mods should be considered cheats since they do alter the game, the GUI, and features..... That is all this is, an additional feature.
[QUOTE=lewyk13;43883368]What post were you reading? He asked a legit question about a tool to use with Rust, nowhere did he mention using cheats, or getting banned... He asked if it was possible.... Reading comprehension is a good thing......
Not being confrontational honest question though, where did you get that from? If it was explicitly mentioned by Gerry, or any other admin/dev I would like to see it.
Many of these comments on this thread are bashing the OP because "that isn't the way I do it, you HAVE to play like I want it played"..... Interesting considering this is a sandbox game, you are supposed to have some freedom to play how you see fit in a sandbox game. For that matter all mods should be considered cheats since they do alter the game, the GUI, and features..... That is all this is, an additional feature.[/QUOTE]
how is this "an additional feature"
does it work any more than an image and inject itself into a game?
besides that a map overlay is hard to decide if it's a cheat or not. It's not nearly as bad as antirecoil but it's on the border almost
and mods are [B]completely[/B] different. This lets you travel without having to remember anything, giving you a huge advantage over navigating over everyone else without having to learn anything.
I had no idea people used my map like this.
[QUOTE=Brandy92;43883425]I had no idea people used my map like this.[/QUOTE]
they could also just remember where shit is and not stray too far
if they need a map while in game they clearly have no idea what to do.
Even with the map I sometimes can't identify where I am.
It's much easier going for a run and spotting a landmark.
[QUOTE=J!NX;43883404]how is this "an additional feature"
does it work any more than an image and inject itself into a game?
besides that a map overlay is hard to decide if it's a cheat or not. It's not nearly as bad as antirecoil but it's on the border almost
and mods are [B]completely[/B] different. This lets you travel without having to remember anything, giving you a huge advantage over navigating over everyone else without having to learn anything.[/QUOTE]
I don't see how it can be considered an advantage when it is available to everyone with no restrictions. An advantage would be if it were only available for a select number of people....
I do agree, it is a very grey area and until we get an official confirmation we won't know. Like I have said, I don't need it, or use it... But I can see the value in it. I have also stated before I would rather they add in mapmaking to the game, similar to Minecraft.... With the proper materials you can draw a crude map yourself, nothing fancy, but with landmarks and such....
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