Ask yourself this, if you walk outside at midnight are you completely blind or do your eyes adjust after a few minutes. This shit about you shouldn't be able to see at night is the most retarded argument ever. I'm not for or against gamma changing. Gamma changing has it's drawbacks too, it's not all beneficial.
[QUOTE=TheStevieJ;44348812]^ I mean things such as a VAC ban, not a ban from a individual server which admins have control of, that's a server rule, I'm talking about an overall rule for the game, like if you hack you will be VAC banned, does the same apply to gamma or..?
Also ^GinJa, what if you change the settings of your GPU to increase gamma and not the monitor? Can be banned then?[/QUOTE]
Adjusting your gamma isn't an offence, besides that's not how VAC works. Gamma controls on screens are there for a reason, personally I can't actually be bothered to change the gamma. That's like saying increasing your mouse sensitivity should get you banned.
[quote=DrFreenote]
Alright, I agree with this, but now I'm wondering, is the lack of gamma controls from within the game a purposeful in-game restriction or is it just a failure to implement a feature within the game? Unless the actual developers say otherwise, I think it's really up in the air whether it is or not.[/quote]
I do not think the lack of gamma control from within the game is a purposeful, in-game restriction. It is a failure to implement a feature within a game.
I think drastically reduced visibility at night is the purposeful, in-game restriction we're talking about, though. If there were an in-game option to change gamma, and people used this in-game option to increase their gamma at night such that they could see clearly—it'd be put in the same boat, and considered cheating.
This is why I think this metric for what is and isn't cheating is a good one. It covers a lot of situations without a lot of ambiguity. It doesn't matter whether or not the feature used is in-game or out-of-game, a hack, glitch, or bug. If a person is circumventing a purposeful, in-game restriction, they are cheating.
(Mind you, I don't think anyone should try to attempt to VAC ban someone who changes their gamma; actually going about detecting such a thing would take way more effort than it was worth. This is just a metric for what people should consider cheating—not hacking)
It is cheating and you can be banned but the only way you can be banned is if a admin thinks your using it. Other then that you cant get banned from rust just from individual servers but that's rare because most admins allow high gamma. But ya its technicality cheating but its not bannable what so ever when it comes down to anti cheats because its just a PC option not a hack.
By the definitions being used labeling it "cheating", turning up the volume is also cheating. It is identicle to gamma in every single aspect. Super hearing (was not intended), super vision (was not intended).
Your sound should be at 50% (because everyone is EXACTLY THE SAME, our hearing is all identicle -- as is our vision apparently), as you can hear sound per distance. The louder your volume is turned up, the sooner you hear someone coming. If you tweak your volume, you are giving yourself an unfair advantage over someone who doesn't tweak their volume.
If you are saying turning up the volume is cheating, it's easier for us to see how silly the argument and definition you are using for gamma is.
You should probably start sending emails to all monitor manufacturers and tell them to not make gamma adjustable. See where that gets ya.
I addressed the volume comparison pretty clearly in another thread (... actually, I think directly towards you, thelionessa, so uh... you pretty well that's not what I'm saying. Why would you bother to say that?)
[quote=AmagicalFishy]
Turning up the volume of your speakers does not give a player super hearing. It does not allow a player to hear things said player would not otherwise hear if the volume were at a normal level (unless there was some other factor outside of Rust, say, bad hearing or construction outside). The sound works such that you can't hear the footsteps of a person too far away (regardless of how high you turn up the volume)—that is, you can't use your speaker's volume to defeat the purpose of an implemented game feature. Turning up the volume does not give you super hearing, it just makes what you could anyway hear regularly... well... very loud.
Now, on the other hand, say that a person's volume was proportional to how "far" away a person could hear. Someone who turned their volume all the way up just to hear the footsteps of someone else a mile away would, in fact, be cheating. That is, someone who used their volume as a means of overriding a game-restriction would be cheating.[/quote]
That is, turning up one's volume does not circumvent a purposeful, in-game restriction. Seeing at night, on the other hand, does.
Again, this metric does not depend on who does or does not have an advantage. If a player w/ higher volume has an advantage over a player w/ lower volume—well, that's fine and dandy, and also totally independent of this definition.
Unfortunately, drawing from here and from the last thread, I don't think you're particularly interested in resolving a conflict as much as "winning," and thus I will not be further responding to you—no offense intended.
[editline]27th March 2014[/editline]
you know* pretty well (typo!)
And I saw that in the other thread. Hearing, like vision, is a sense. If you are arguing that one sense is more important than the other, so one is cheating, I disagree. If you are arguing that turning up the volume to get an advantage is cheating, then I am saying your entire argument is silly and not worth anyones time. It puts things in perspective for those of us who really think anyone worried about our gamma seriously needs to get a grip. You know?
If those gamma pitchforks are also in arms with turning up the volume, I am totally okay with being on the other side of the fense on this one.
We can agree to disagree and move on. I'm okay with being on the "bad evil" side on this issue. As I don't see a problem with turning up the volume or fixing my gamma when I can't see anything.
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