So i can build shit loads on cupboards in 1x1 level 6 houses around the map to piss people off? - Rust

[QUOTE=oXYnary;46418818]Worked for it? Is that seriously your justification? I really do hope people fill the map you play on 1X1. We will see your simplification bears out when you end up having to spend 4X longer to tear down than they did to put up.[/QUOTE] It would take weeks to do that. Somehow I feel like I'd have enough time to plot out, build, and cupboard my own base by then. It's all about time spent for griefers. Even if the ridiculous scenario presented plays out, you don't think a server wipe is going to follow? The normal people got to play for weeks while griefer McGee was slaving away with his majestic creation, and I'm sure he's willing to do it time and time again. If they didn't care about their time they'd be doing more than walling doors now.

Lol at everyone assuming griefers will carpet the landscape with golden shacks. That is such an absurd thing to attempt I would applaud the person who could successfully do it.

[QUOTE=Zipper Bear;46419881]Lol at everyone assuming griefers will carpet the landscape with golden shacks. That is such an absurd thing to attempt I would applaud the person who could successfully do it.[/QUOTE] You don't even need to do golden shacks, just a level 1 would be enough to be a nuisance. I also dont think they would carpet the map, they would carpet the best spots however. Seriously Zipper, have you played any of these games with such systems? Because it DOES happen. The one game Im thinking of has a big map and a small population and it didn't take long until people were complaining they couldnt find any decent spots left to build. The only positive we have here is that the server can be wiped easily, but thats just going to turn people off if thats the "solution". It certainly did to the game in question. Also must say you people unwilling and without the experience to see the repercussions aren't addressing the visual crap that comes with this.. Again, instead of pillars, we will have lots of these little 1X1 so no one could build near.

[QUOTE=oXYnary;46419919]You don't even need to do golden shacks, just a level 1 would be enough to be a nuisance. I also dont think they would carpet the map, they would carpet the best spots however. Seriously Zipper, have you played any of these games with such systems? Because it DOES happen. The one game Im thinking of has a big map and a small population and it didn't take long until people were complaining they couldnt find any decent spots left to build. The only positive we have here is that the server can be wiped easily, but thats just going to turn people off if thats the "solution". It certainly did to the game in question.[/QUOTE] If they don't upgrade them, then even better. All you have to do is destroy the cupboard and the spot is unlocked again. I'm not saying the system shouldn't be refined but it's hardly going to kill rust. If you're worried about servers filling up on build spots, then put up more threads about getting building decay working properly.

[QUOTE=oXYnary;46419919]You don't even need to do golden shacks, just a level 1 would be enough to be a nuisance. I also dont think they would carpet the map, they would carpet the best spots however. Seriously Zipper, have you played any of these games with such systems? Because it DOES happen. The one game Im thinking of has a big map and a small population and it didn't take long until people were complaining they couldnt find any decent spots left to build. The only positive we have here is that the server can be wiped easily, but thats just going to turn people off if thats the "solution". It certainly did to the game in question. Also must say you people unwilling and without the experience to see the repercussions aren't addressing the visual crap that comes with this.. Again, instead of pillars, we will have lots of these little 1X1 so no one could build near.[/QUOTE] Dude calm down and lets test it out. We are in alpha, we paid to be part of garrys testing. So test it.

or you know, maybe each person can only make up to 5 cupboards, we just don't know yet, but it would be trivial to prevent abuse like the op is describing.

I wanna know where everyone is going off these cupboards, and when they are magically coming out? This patch? Where are you people seeing all this info about this stuff?

[QUOTE='[DAWGS]YouDie;46424006']I wanna know where everyone is going off these cupboards, and when they are magically coming out? This patch? Where are you people seeing all this info about this stuff?[/QUOTE] You couldn't be bothered to click the link in the OP's post? lol You can piece together a lot of info on the future of the game by visiting these places [url]https://trello.com/b/lG8jtz6v/rust-main[/url] [url]https://twitter.com/RustUpdates[/url] [url]http://admin.playrust.com/item/list/approved/consumable/[/url]

[QUOTE=Tevax;46423991]or you know, maybe each person can only make up to 5 cupboards, we just don't know yet, but it would be trivial to prevent abuse like the op is describing.[/QUOTE] This is exactly why I hate arbitrary systems like this. So to limit exploiting of one thing, we create a whole new exploitable system. So to limit this, we add in a NEW arbitrary system. Limiting how many places I can build is not emergent gameplay. This cupboard idea isn't sustainable.

[QUOTE=Tevax;46423991]or you know, maybe each person can only make up to 5 cupboards, we just don't know yet, but it would be trivial to prevent abuse like the op is describing.[/QUOTE] That would help, but I'd even take it a step further and take it down to 1 or 2. This is a measure to stop griefers, not help protect from raiders. I'd say limit it to 1, keep it by your front door.

[QUOTE=utilitron;46424153]This is exactly why I hate arbitrary systems like this. So to limit exploiting of one thing, we create a whole new exploitable system. So to limit this, we add in a NEW arbitrary system. Limiting how many places I can build is not emergent gameplay. This cupboard idea isn't sustainable.[/QUOTE] Nobody said anything at all about limiting places you can build man. The cupboard PREVENTS PEOPLE FROM ADDING ONTO YOUR BUILDINGS. If there was an artificial cap on how many you could make all that would mean is that x amount of your bases couldn't be griefed, and all the rest are fair game for the trolls of the world.

[QUOTE=Dreldan;46424025]You couldn't be bothered to click the link in the OP's post? lol You can piece together a lot of info on the future of the game by visiting these places [url]https://trello.com/b/lG8jtz6v/rust-main[/url] [url]https://twitter.com/RustUpdates[/url] [url]http://admin.playrust.com/item/list/approved/consumable/[/url][/QUOTE] Obviously I go to those places, but this is all based on speculation, not anything that is actually being put into the game right away. If that was the case, everything with a BP is already made and could be in the game, yet it isn't. I've already seen other videos of stuff showing the AK's and stuff in the game, yet they aren't released, whether they are balanced etc. But I don't go off those things because it gives to no projection of an idea when anything, If at all will be put into the game, because they constantly change there mind on stuff.

[QUOTE='[DAWGS]YouDie;46424406']Obviously I go to those places, but this is all based on speculation, not anything that is actually being put into the game right away. If that was the case, everything with a BP is already made and could be in the game, yet it isn't. I've already seen other videos of stuff showing the AK's and stuff in the game, yet they aren't released, whether they are balanced etc. But I don't go off those things because it gives to no projection of an idea when anything, If at all will be put into the game, because they constantly change there mind on stuff.[/QUOTE] November 5: Added tool cupboard - @garrynewman (/main/construction2) November 6: Icons +desc for tool cupboard, locks and door - @garrynewman (/main/construction2) It's in, now we're just waiting for all the servers to catch up.

How about increasing the radius slightly (so even for big ass bases you'll only need one) but set a minimum distance for cupboards of the same player? That minimum distance would obviously be a multiple of the effective radius .. like 750m or 1000m, so you couldn't "claim" a continuous area but still build as many grief protected bases as you like.

[QUOTE=andayk;46424447]How about increasing the radius slightly (so even for big ass bases you'll only need one) but set a minimum distance for cupboards of the same player? That minimum distance would obviously be a multiple of the effective radius .. like 750m or 1000m, so you couldn't "claim" a continuous area but still build as many grief protected bases as you like.[/QUOTE] damn how about we just try it first? and test it out for garry? Everyone complaining about something that's not even in game yet or they're trying to change it already.

[QUOTE=Zipper Bear;46424369]Nobody said anything at all about limiting places you can build man. The cupboard PREVENTS PEOPLE FROM ADDING ONTO YOUR BUILDINGS. If there was an artificial cap on how many you could make all that would mean is that x amount of your bases couldn't be griefed, and all the rest are fair game for the trolls of the world.[/QUOTE] I was responding to the idea of limiting number cupboards.

Yeah, That just means he is working on it, doesn't mean its applied and ready to roll out. That's just a twitter feed on shit they are doing.

[QUOTE=Zipper Bear;46424432]November 5: Added tool cupboard - @garrynewman (/main/construction2) November 6: Icons +desc for tool cupboard, locks and door - @garrynewman (/main/construction2) It's in, now we're just waiting for all the servers to catch up.[/QUOTE] /main is the branch that uploads to Steam. /main/construction2 is a sub-branch and I'm pretty sure it's for internal testing only, just like art, /main/pie menu, and /main/tree-sync-experiments, which've seen recent not-ready-for-live updates in the feed.

Man, I hope I can store tools in this cupboard.

[QUOTE=DeadRisen;46425183]Man, I hope I can store tools in this cupboard.[/QUOTE] Tool Cupboard = New LARGE STORAGE BOXES. Life = Complete

[QUOTE=Dreldan;46423849]Dude calm down and lets test it out. We are in alpha, we paid to be part of garrys testing. So test it.[/QUOTE] The thing is I have tested it. Its not like Garry is redefining the wheel here. Just because its rust vs x survival doesnt mean its going to be night and day in the results.

All I see is a bunch of secret butt hurts mad because they can't grief and raid as easily. Raiding right now is too, easy. Find a wall, build a foundation near it, put up walls (lvl 6) and a door on all sides except the one facing the wall you are breaking, hold tape down or place something on your mouse button and go watch netflix on your other monitor or laptop. This takes no skill in any form or fashion right now, just time. Even less so when you have groups of people who can just tear down those walls even faster.