I know the devs are busy working on the game. However, it's hard for the testers to, well, test anything, if they keep getting killed. Must they develop an entire anticheat right now? No. But it's important for them to relieze that they are making a game, and no game is fun if people cheat (especially as blatantly as this). I think it is fair that some level of action is taking, even something as simple as acknowledgment.
Do you have any of the evidence recorded? Otherwise all the mods have is testimonial, which isn't enough.
[QUOTE=TCB;41244170]none of this matters when it's an [I]early alpha[sub][sub]that you paid nothing for[/sub][/sub][/I][/QUOTE]
I don't think it's that unreasonable to ban people if sufficient evidence is supplied, even if it is an alpha. Banning someone isn't an arduous task. It would take like five seconds to ban someone, and maybe a few minutes to an hour to implement a ban system if that hasn't been added yet.
[QUOTE=AJisAwesome15;41244185]there's still gonna be lots of spawnkilling, glitching, griefing, i don't know if that alone will make it 100x better. we'll wait and see. we should just play the game for what it is now.[/QUOTE]
I don't give one shit if i get spawnkilled or if someone takes over my house. Yes it sucks but it's not even close to the feeling when you have an inventory full of stuff and some dickwad teleports over and kills you. I have a massive group i play with so usually were able to kill them but it's still annoying.
[QUOTE=A_Pigeon;41244291]Do you have any of the evidence recorded? Otherwise all the mods have is testimonial, which isn't enough.[/QUOTE]
Yes, I have evidence recording of him invis, noclipping and speedhacking from my stream, which I can get if needed, and I have evidence of PwnApple speedhacking too.
You don't capitalize the A
[QUOTE=AJisAwesome15;41244507]You don't capitalize the A[/QUOTE]
I don't think anyone cares if someone capitalises the 'A' in a hacker's name.
Holy shit I clearly missed a whole lot while napping. Based on what I'm seeing, all i can say is this. This game is in a very early state now, it's easily exploitable and of course as a result certain people are gonna exploit it. There isn't a huge number of people working on this game right now so they're obviously more occupied with more important things. If this game was in beta or released then it would be looked into immediately, but it's not.
No offense, but the devs working on the game as a whole and making it better is more important than making sure their early build is perfect and hacker free. For now you'll just have to deal with hackers, it sucks but there are bigger fish to fry at the moment.
Yea,on his stream (Psi's) he speedhacked and killed psi,and all of his subscribers.
[QUOTE=Tsyolin;41244851]No offense, but the devs working on the game as a whole and making it better is more important than making sure their early build is perfect and hacker free. For now you'll just have to deal with hackers, it sucks but there are bigger fish to fry at the moment.[/QUOTE]
You must have missed a few posts. We don't want anti-cheat, a new stable engine, or anything like that. We just want the devs to ban the people that are obviously hacking, which is totally do-able right now. I don't understand why they don't, as it will only take a few minutes.
yeah, the reason they haven't done any anti-hacking shit is because they have more important shit to worry about than hacking (like actually making a game).
anyways, asking to ban just a single hacker is just going to open the floodgates for "pls ban greenen he hacked me and broked my door", and a good amount of time wasted. do you want them to spend the time they would use to ban idiots to ban idiots, or to make a good game?
also, how dare these people ruin my experience in this pre-release game I didn't even pay for, where I was never guaranteed any kind of quality, and how dare the people trying to make the game better not cater to my grievances
[QUOTE=Greenen72;41244948]yeah, the reason they haven't done any anti-hacking shit is because they have more important shit to worry about than hacking (like actually making a game).
anyways, asking to ban just a single hacker is just going to open the floodgates for "pls ban greenen he hacked me and broked my door", and a good amount of time wasted. do you want them to spend the time they would use to ban idiots to ban idiots, or to make a good game?
also, how dare these people ruin my experience in this pre-release game I didn't even pay for, where I was never guaranteed any kind of quality, and how dare the people trying to make the game better not cater to my grievances[/QUOTE]
It does not take long to ban a player. They would only consider the ones with proof anyway. And if they would be dealing with a problem of too many stupid posts, introduce a system allowing the forum members to vote delete a post. It would make it easier on the mods and clean up the random crap.
Also to your third paragraph, we are trying to forward the development as well as the developers. We can't really do that when hackers are killing us every few hours. Think before you post. No one here has the attitude of "I paid for it and demand bans". We just want to help the development. The developers can easily ban a few players.
[QUOTE=LegitPixel;41244910]You must have missed a few posts. We don't want anti-cheat, a new stable engine, or anything like that. We just want the devs to ban the people that are obviously hacking, which is totally do-able right now. I don't understand why they don't, as it will only take a few minutes.[/QUOTE]
Never said anything about implimenting anti-cheat, I said that devs are gonna basically gonna do whatever the fuck they want and that all of us are just gonna have to deal with it.
Playing this game at such an early stage in developement is a priviledge not a right.
I completely understand that the developers have a lot on their plate with improving and adding new mechanics to the game and that an anti-cheat seems unnecessary at the moment, but it is completely doable to set justice out to those who have no respect for the basic rules of online gaming. If there is proof of a crime, then the executor should be punished, E.G. banned from the game.
[QUOTE=Tsyolin;41245008]Never said anything about implimenting anti-cheat, I said that devs are gonna basically gonna do whatever the fuck they want and that all of us are just gonna have to deal with it.[/QUOTE]
I never said they couldn't do whatever they want. We are just suggesting that they ban some of the obvious hackers. There are many posts that have valid proof against the hacker. They can easily ban most of people in less than 30 minutes. It just takes some finger lifting.
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[QUOTE=Scout Dogg;41245014]...that an anti-cheat seems unnecessary at the moment.[/QUOTE]
Lool!!! Why does everyone think we want anti-cheat???
[QUOTE=Scout Dogg;41245014] ...it is completely doable to set justice out to those who have no respect for the basic rules of online gaming...[/QUOTE]
Yes it is very do-able.
[QUOTE=LegitPixel;41245000]It does not take long to ban a player. They would only consider the ones with proof anyway. And if they would be dealing with a problem of too many stupid posts, introduce a system allowing the forum members to vote delete a post. It would make it easier on the mods and clean up the random crap.
Also to your third paragraph, we are trying to forward the development as well as the developers. We can't really do that when hackers are killing us every few hours. Think before you post. No one here has the attitude of "I paid for it and demand bans". We just want to help the development. The developers can easily ban a few players.[/QUOTE]
and tell me, how long it takes to watch this proof and determine if they are actually hacking? There's plenty of really bad systems that only beg for people to submit hacking reports against people who cause them grief. And do you have any clue how much time it would take to implement a user-system for voting like that? Do you want that effort to go towards developing the game or to make some shitty and abusable system that would do far less good than an actual in-game anti-hacking system?
I'm no mind-reader, but I have to assume the reason they haven't implemented any type of system you propose is because they don't need it. If testing shit was really that much of a problem, they would have dealt with it by now, and if it does become a problem, they will change it. Complaining about a single person and saying "it would only take you 10 seconds" demonstrates a complete lack of understanding about the development process and time management.
Why am I still arguing on this thread... -_-
EDIT: I'm done trying to persuade people. I believe what I believe. :P Cya guys in other threads.
A few hours later:
ANOTHER EDIT: This was pretty dumb now that I look back on it...
[QUOTE=Greenen72;41245101]and tell me, how long it takes to watch this proof and determine if they are actually hacking? There's plenty of really bad systems that only beg for people to submit hacking reports against people who cause them grief. And do you have any clue how much time it would take to implement a user-system for voting like that? Do you want that effort to go towards developing the game or to make some shitty and abusable system that would do far less good than an actual in-game anti-hacking system?
I'm no mind-reader, but I have to assume the reason they haven't implemented any type of system you propose is because they don't need it. If testing shit was really that much of a problem, they would have dealt with it by now, and if it does become a problem, they will change it. Complaining about a single person and saying "it would only take you 10 seconds" demonstrates a complete lack of understanding about the development process and time management.[/QUOTE]
Theres already threads out there that report hackers with video evidence. The video usually isn't long at all it just shows some dickwad teleport towards the played and insta kill him. Then it shows the name of who did it in chat E.G. -You were killed by xx with a hatchet. What were asking is for the devs to just ban the people in those threads that have solid evidence against them. Theres no more than a handfull of hackers out there at the moment cause the registrations are closed and theres only about 500 people playing the game. Even if they just banned 10 it'd be a massive help.
[QUOTE=Greenen72;41245101]and tell me, how long it takes to watch this proof and determine if they are actually hacking? There's plenty of really bad systems that only beg for people to submit hacking reports against people who cause them grief. And do you have any clue how much time it would take to implement a user-system for voting like that? Do you want that effort to go towards developing the game or to make some shitty and abusable system that would do far less good than an actual in-game anti-hacking system?
I'm no mind-reader, but I have to assume the reason they haven't implemented any type of system you propose is because they don't need it. If testing shit was really that much of a problem, they would have dealt with it by now, and if it does become a problem, they will change it. Complaining about a single person and saying "it would only take you 10 seconds" demonstrates a complete lack of understanding about the development process and time management.[/QUOTE]
Half the people who are posting in this thread clearly haven't seen the "proof", he's done it every stream, speedhacking, invis, noclipping. He does it every time I stream, until I stop streaming. I wouldn't be posting a thread if it wasn't too big of an issue. It's happened to me many times, but this MrNiko guy really doesn't like me streaming the game apparently. I'll upload a YouTube video if people want, but trust me, he's obvious.
[QUOTE=PsiSyndicate;41245221]Half the people who are posting in this thread clearly haven't seen the "proof", he's done it every stream, speedhacking, invis, noclipping. He does it every time I stream, until I stop streaming. I wouldn't be posting a thread if it wasn't too big of an issue. It's happened to me many times, but this MrNiko guy really doesn't like me streaming the game apparently. I'll upload a YouTube video if people want, but trust me, he's obvious.[/QUOTE]
I don't need to see the proof, I honestly beleive you since you have little reason to lie. Still, nothing we can really do about it...
[url]http://www.twitch.tv/psisyndicate/b/423581057[/url]
1h 53m onwards, griefs us until he ends up killing us all an destroying our beds and makes me stop streaming. Noclipping and speedhacking. There's a lot more than just this one, but it's pretty evident from that alone.
Yea I saw this all live
Just putting this out there, I have no doubt that this will be dealt with. The question is only when. Hackers will get what they deserve, just everyone wait. It's not like if this thread fails, no one will be banned. There's ample evidence, and these hackers will eventually be dealt with. I suggest using time now to collect evidence for when bans are possible.
I think that the developers would care a bit more if we had a more constructive thread title than just "ban X plz". We should construct a formal argument in a separate thread and get the developers attention that way.
I also reilized that we have so many ban requests, that maybe it's best if the first made a ban system
[QUOTE=PsiSyndicate;41245221]Half the people who are posting in this thread clearly haven't seen the "proof", he's done it every stream, speedhacking, invis, noclipping. He does it every time I stream, until I stop streaming. I wouldn't be posting a thread if it wasn't too big of an issue. It's happened to me many times, but this MrNiko guy really doesn't like me streaming the game apparently. I'll upload a YouTube video if people want, but trust me, he's obvious.[/QUOTE]
I'm taking a very general argument, I don't really give a shit if someone wants to target you. If I were developing, I wouldn't ban the people who were hacking by request, purely because of the time it would take to sort it all out.
Also, I never got why people complain about stuff in games in closed development. If you don't like it then stop playing until they get around to it
[QUOTE=PsiSyndicate;41243812]I'm not expecting them to bend over backwards. I'm asking for something which takes 2 minutes, like I've said multiple times now.[/QUOTE]
Actually, it wouldn't take 2 minutes, because I don't think we have a system in place for bannings yet.
[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;41247486]Actually, it wouldn't take 2 minutes, because I don't think we have a system in place for bannings yet.[/QUOTE]
Finally some clarification, thanks Max. It was getting pretty testy in here. (Moreso than usual at least)
[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;41247486]Actually, it wouldn't take 2 minutes, because I don't think we have a system in place for bannings yet.[/QUOTE]
yeah, that's what i thought. if it was that simple you guys would've done it already
[QUOTE=AJisAwesome15;41247527]yeah, that's what i thought. if it was that simple you guys would've done it already[/QUOTE]
Honestly they should tell us that then. Give us a valid reason why you aren't doing it and we will understand. I'm talking to the developers here. Make a post letting everyone know why you aren't banning at least.
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