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Raiding is to easy. Casual players have no chance. Killing naked's.

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[QUOTE=Simackova;48522838]Cmon... as I said... they built 3 houses - 7x7x3 in one day... How the hell you wanna blow them up with c4 ? Even if it was only 1 house you will need a lot of c4 + time to break floors.... And they have 10+ members so one or two can stay over night and you cant do nothing as solo player here. [editline]23rd August 2015[/editline] And that's exactly why should bigger maps help to solve this problem. Bigger maps = bigger distance between players = more safety = more space for big clans and solo players. I think the server should change his map size every month due to number of playing players.[/QUOTE] Your train of thought and process are exactly the mentality I look for in a clan. Its quite obvious you have never taken on the role of a rogue raider so your comprehension is quite validated. However, since you do not possess the understanding I will paint you this one picture. From my experience (over 1k hours played) I have noticed an extreme similarity that people use in there loot rooms. It's either in the middle or the very top. Now, you do the math.

[QUOTE=lordrushx1;48524759]Your train of thought and process are exactly the mentality I look for in a clan. Its quite obvious you have never taken on the role of a rogue raider so your comprehension is quite validated. However, since you do not possess the understanding I will paint you this one picture. From my experience (over 1k hours played) I have noticed an extreme similarity that people use in there loot rooms. It's either in the middle or the very top. Now, you do the math.[/QUOTE] Well okay... 7x7x3 ? So if they had their loot in 3x3 room in the middle of 1 floor and they only use stones... you need 10 C4 to get trought walls. And how do you want to craft 10 C4 in short time ? They will collect your resources... they will come around and check the area... Because they have numbers and they can cooperate. But okay... lets presuppose that you already have 10 C4 from farming earlier. If you are lucky and they wont raid you sooner than you raid them... then tell me how the hell you wanna get in if they have two members online during night ? :D You can use the C4 but one of them will be in loot room and the second one will go with repair kit and gun from behind...

He will dominate them both with his big rust donger.

[QUOTE=Simackova;48525996]Well okay... 7x7x3 ? So if they had their loot in 3x3 room in the middle of 1 floor and they only use stones... you need 10 C4 to get trought walls. And how do you want to craft 10 C4 in short time ? They will collect your resources... they will come around and check the area... Because they have numbers and they can cooperate. But okay... lets presuppose that you already have 10 C4 from farming earlier. If you are lucky and they wont raid you sooner than you raid them... then tell me how the hell you wanna get in if they have two members online during night ? :D You can use the C4 but one of them will be in loot room and the second one will go with repair kit and gun from behind...[/QUOTE] Sounds like you don't play solo. They can't collect your resources if you aren't nearby.

[QUOTE=Simackova;48525996]Well okay... 7x7x3 ? So if they had their loot in 3x3 room in the middle of 1 floor and they only use stones... you need 10 C4 to get trought walls. And how do you want to craft 10 C4 in short time ? They will collect your resources... they will come around and check the area... Because they have numbers and they can cooperate. But okay... lets presuppose that you already have 10 C4 from farming earlier. If you are lucky and they wont raid you sooner than you raid them... then tell me how the hell you wanna get in if they have two members online during night ? :D You can use the C4 but one of them will be in loot room and the second one will go with repair kit and gun from behind...[/QUOTE] lmao Sim, your thinking way to hard about this man and its so totally obvious you have never tried the solo routine. One thing I will give you that I failed to mention to say that I had not before. I play on modded servers. And 10 C4? I don't get out of bed for under 30,that is which I pack on me minimum. *note - The below images was taken a few weeks ago. If I remember correctly it was taken right after I raided a group called <FAM>. At the time, I remember them being around 11-12 people in the group with 1 one person being on. (Yes I understand it's one person,however,at the time this was one of the fair sized groups on the server) Again, this is only one examples that have occurred. [IMG]http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/436073084512796571/B18A47FA8C23B15450728473B97F848D4A769BE5/[/IMG] As I mentioned earlier, take away what they use against you and what do they have left. Now...Tell me by that SS that a solo player can't do what the OP was discussing. That alone defeats any argument. Look man, I'm not here to tell you how to play,however I will say that if you aren't successful solo...join a clan

Lordrush, you can't pretend to be an expert on raiding when you play on modded servers lol. That's like saying i'm a professional rust player because I did good in a counter strike match once.

[quote]I play on modded servers.[/quote] There you go, that explains everything.

[QUOTE=Zipper Bear;48530725]Lordrush, you can't pretend to be an expert on raiding when you play on modded servers lol. That's like saying i'm a professional rust player because I did good in a counter strike match once.[/QUOTE] Zippy, I know man...and that is why I said that. At the same time, the playing field is the same. Group vs. Single. The results? Speaks for itself. And like I mentioned, this is just one mere example.

[QUOTE=lordrushx1;48530963]Zippy, I know man...and that is why I said that. At the same time, the playing field is the same. Group vs. Single. The results? Speaks for itself[/QUOTE] The playing field is not the same. On a modded server, you take away one of a group's biggest advantages - time. More people usually means more resources. But you can get to a point where everyone has all the resources they need and it just comes down to who finds who offline first. 30 or so C4 gets you in to most bases. If it takes a group 2 hours to get that and the solo player 4, there really isn't much of a difference, is there? I don't know how heavily modded the server you play on is, but comments like "I don't get out of bed for less than 30 C4" are very telling. This is why people are saying your "results" are irrelevant.

[QUOTE=AshFirecrest;48531036]The playing field is not the same. On a modded server, you take away one of a group's biggest advantages - time. More people usually means more resources. But you can get to a point where everyone has all the resources they need and it just comes down to who finds who offline first. 30 or so C4 gets you in to most bases. If it takes a group 2 hours to get that and the solo player 4, there really isn't much of a difference, is there? I don't know how heavily modded the server you play on is, but comments like "I don't get out of bed for less than 30 C4" are very telling. This is why people are saying your "results" are irrelevant.[/QUOTE] This is not a conversation about Modded vs. Vanilla. The OP had stated that nakeds can't do anything vs a group. Modded server or not, you still start off with zilch. Sulfur does not make itself,resources don't get put into your pocket. You STILL have to work.

[QUOTE=lordrushx1;48531054]This is not a conversation about Modded vs. Vanilla. The OP had stated that nakeds can't do anything vs a group. Modded server or not, you still start off with zilch. Sulfur does not make itself,resources don't get put into your pocket. You STILL have to work.[/QUOTE] The point is that on a modded server, there is less work to be done, so the benefits of a group are greatly lessened.

[QUOTE=AshFirecrest;48531301]The point is that on a modded server, there is less work to be done, so the benefits of a group are greatly lessened.[/QUOTE] You didn't say that though, you said "take away one of a group's biggest advantages - time" Now your changing it. Cmon guys, this whole modded vs. vanilla thing has got to go.We could sit here all day beating a dead horse on the physical aspects of the two. Again, the conversation is not about this. It is solo vs. groups. The OP never mentioned anything about modded or vanilla...give it a rest. The point is, a solo person CAN dominate a group,please don't say they can't.

On a modded server they will get all their shit back within 5 minutes. This is not domination.

[QUOTE=itisjuly;48531471]On a modded server they will get all their shit back within 5 minutes. This is not domination.[/QUOTE] And your for sure on that. Your absolutely 100%. Because guess what...I haven't been raided in over 3 weeks. Please don't tell me your 1 dimensional July because it makes your comments invalid. See, I have played vanilla and personally think it's rather stupid. I've played legacy since it's inception. Ive been on all formats and it's still the same OR....maybe you just can't see the possibilities? If that is the case, quit jumping on the bandwagon and think for yourself. If you can't do it personally, that is fine however...it still stands that it can be done. Quit trying to dodge the actual point, your just making up random things to say to make it look like your winning the case. Let me point this out to you...your not.

[QUOTE=lordrushx1;48531348]You didn't say that though, you said "take away one of a group's biggest advantages - time" Now your changing it. Cmon guys, this whole modded vs. vanilla thing has got to go.We could sit here all day beating a dead horse on the physical aspects of the two. Again, the conversation is not about this. It is solo vs. groups. The OP never mentioned anything about modded or vanilla...give it a rest. The point is, a solo person CAN dominate a group,please don't say they can't.[/QUOTE] Dude. I said the same thing twice. What do you think time is? Time = Work = Resources. On a modded server, there is less WORK to do, so a solo player and a group who spend the same amount of TIME playing will not have as large of a disparity between their RESOURCES. What part of this is a difficult concept for you? [QUOTE=lordrushx1;48531558]...your just making up random things to say to make it look like your winning the case.[/QUOTE] Tagged funny - because this is exactly what YOU'RE doing.

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[QUOTE=AshFirecrest;48531832]Dude. I said the same thing twice. What do you think time is? Time = Work = Resources. On a modded server, there is less WORK to do, so a solo player and a group who spend the same amount of TIME playing will not have as large of a disparity between their RESOURCES. What part of this is a difficult concept for you? Tagged funny - because this is exactly what YOU'RE doing.[/QUOTE] Ash your beating a dead horse here man

[QUOTE=lordrushx1;48531558]And your for sure on that. Your absolutely 100%. Because guess what...I haven't been raided in over 3 weeks. Please don't tell me your 1 dimensional July because it makes your comments invalid. See, I have played vanilla and personally think it's rather stupid. I've played legacy since it's inception. Ive been on all formats and it's still the same OR....maybe you just can't see the possibilities? If that is the case, quit jumping on the bandwagon and think for yourself. If you can't do it personally, that is fine however...it still stands that it can be done. Quit trying to dodge the actual point, your just making up random things to say to make it look like your winning the case. Let me point this out to you...your not.[/QUOTE] You must be lucky because I know people who blow into 1x1 or 4x4 houses just for fun and that's what I assume you use when playing solo so you don't attract attention to yourself, even if you have multiple small bases with storage it's only a matter of time. You might do pretty good solo, but if it comes down to fighting you lose. You can keep hiding forever and running but you've amassed more resources than can fit into your inventory, so if you get raided and run they still win. And if you single handedly eliminated an entire 13 man clan overnight then either their base sucked, they sucked, or both. Did they all log out together in the middle of their base and not behind doors?

The problem here is that the "clan" players can't think like solo players. Also why some solo players dominate the clans.... and the clans don't even know it.

[QUOTE=JCDentonUNATCO;48532407]You must be lucky because I know people who blow into 1x1 or 4x4 houses just for fun and that's what I assume you use when playing solo so you don't attract attention to yourself, even if you have multiple small bases with storage it's only a matter of time. You might do pretty good solo, but if it comes down to fighting you lose. You can keep hiding forever and running but you've amassed more resources than can fit into your inventory, so if you get raided and run they still win. And if you single handedly eliminated an entire 13 man clan overnight then either their base sucked, they sucked, or both. Did they all log out together in the middle of their base and not behind doors?[/QUOTE] JC, you bring up good solid points. And yes, no matter how you slice and dice it you still have territory management. A solo player should NEVER have just one base. It should always be scattered and never close. To answer your statement on inventory. One thing for sure that I have run into at times is a mass of inventory and yes, I admit...it gets dumped. I have also raided clan bases and needed really only two-three things. Sulfur,Charcoal & Gun Powder. And that is all I have taken,yet the rest of their stuff gets tossed out of the container and left to dissolve. So, I only loot what I need. The only thing I am acquiring is what I essentially need. Have I ran into times where I have to much inventory? No...reason being,when you have all bp's and you have essentially gained resources for anything you need it comes down to only one thing...C4. As a solo player I do not need a big base,its stupid for a solo player to have such. This goes along with loot. How many guns do you really need? So, in essence I use the KISS method. My goal is to knock off as many big clans as possible,not amass a treasure trove. A solo player is best unheard and unseen for chances of any success. And JC...I have to ask you this. How many stupid moronic people on your server play ...daily? It's widespread man,so yea, someone who leaves a code locked wooden door on a fully armored base is ...what? asking for it (yes,that has happened) I mean look all, I am not going to sit here and tell you guys how it is done,my game is my game and I have been rather successful at it. If you cannot fathom the idea,then that is ok. But if you cannot suspend your disbelief it only shows your lack of experience in this area,thus making claims of the unknown is rendering you hypocritical

[QUOTE=jumonjii;48532442]The problem here is that the "clan" players can't think like solo players. Also why some solo players dominate the clans.... and the clans don't even know it.[/QUOTE] Can you define dominate? People here seem to be using it as "I raided a clan a few times". That's not domination. Domination implies you have power and control over them. Raiding a house on modded server when most people are offline is not domination. Hiding is also not domination. I once had a base in a really hidden spot that never got raided and was removed due to wipe. I broke into a few houses when no one was home, stole their shit. But that's in no way dominating them. Because even if they don't find me, they will get these resources faster than what it took me to raid them. There's no way a single person will ever be able to dominate a clan if we use that word for it's correct definition.

Again....the problem here is that the "clan" players can't think like solo players.

[QUOTE=itisjuly;48532604]Can you define dominate? People here seem to be using it as "I raided a clan a few times". That's not domination. Domination implies you have power and control over them. Raiding a house on modded server when most people are offline is not domination. Hiding is also not domination. I once had a base in a really hidden spot that never got raided and was removed due to wipe. I broke into a few houses when no one was home, stole their shit. But that's in no way dominating them. Because even if they don't find me, they will get these resources faster than what it took me to raid them. There's no way a single person will ever be able to dominate a clan if we use that word for it's correct definition.[/QUOTE] July, you obviously do not see the point. No one here can make you see this. You seem stuck on that term and that is your only basis. In other words, your reaching man. Since this argument seems to stem from those who like to whine about the entire situation (meaning Clan vs. Solo) it is quite obvious they aren't made out for the solo experience. That is fine, but you don't see me or majority of solo players on here complaining. Domination noun: the exercise of control or influence over someone or something In other words...If you have something,I take it and you cannot get it back, I have all the control

[QUOTE=lordrushx1;48532702] Domination noun: the exercise of control or influence over someone or something In other words...If you have something,I take it and you cannot get it back, I have all the control[/QUOTE] That's a bad interpretation of that definition. It's like saying I stole your napkin, I dominated you. No. It only applies if you steal something that they can't get back. And they sure as hell can mine enough sulfur for new charges. Especially on a modded server where resources are aplenty. You didn't dominate them, you merely took an expendable resource that they as a clan can regain one way or another.

When a solo player takes out a clan's base, despawns all their weapons, and takes all their resources... several times.... causing said clan to have to start from scratch several times over... thus putting them "behind" other clans on the server.... who's dominating who?

[QUOTE=itisjuly;48532714]That's a bad interpretation of that definition. It's like saying I stole your napkin, I dominated you. No. It only applies if you steal something that they can't get back. And they sure as hell can mine enough sulfur for new charges. Especially on a modded server where resources are aplenty. You didn't dominate them, you merely took an expendable resource that they as a clan can regain one way or another.[/QUOTE] lmao omg July, we obviously aren't going to see eye to eye on this. Again, I am not the one complaining, I merely stated I thrive as a solo player. You guys in clans obviously cant hack the solo life so you seek out players to make your experience more enjoyable. Me, I wreck the game playing lives of guilds and love every bit of it. Nuff said

My solution has always been make metal frags convert into HQM. Another solid solution is to make it a tad bit easier to get armored bases. As its currently going, the game is all about quarries.

[QUOTE=itisjuly;48532714]That's a bad interpretation of that definition. It's like saying I stole your napkin, I dominated you. No. It only applies if you steal something that they can't get back. And they sure as hell can mine enough sulfur for new charges. Especially on a modded server where resources are aplenty. You didn't dominate them, you merely took an expendable resource that they as a clan can regain one way or another.[/QUOTE] It's not worth it, July. You're right, but he's delusional or stupid or both. He's been presented logic on multiple occasions and just ignores it and spews back nonsense. Reasonable people can already find the truth in this discussion. It's not worth the effort to try to correct one person's fantasy.

I'm gone for a few days and you boys are out of control! All of you, to your rooms, NOW. Until you can stay on a topic and bring constructive criticism, you must stay off these boards. And don't blame someone for starting this and you just "had" to respond. If [I]lordrushx1[/I] told you to jump off an iceberg with a torch in one hand and a rock in your pocket, would you? Now lets get back to it.. Torches are OP. Being naked when you start only ATTRACTS other people.. Hmmm... I can make C4 but my house has no :johnnymo1:lights And for some strange reason, all these animals on this island are wolfs in horses clothing? Uh..

[QUOTE=LootBox;48535593]I'm gone for a few days and you boys are out of control! All of you, to your rooms, NOW. Until you can stay on a topic and bring constructive criticism, you must stay off these boards. And don't blame someone for starting this and you just "had" to respond. If [I]lordrushx1[/I] told you to jump off an iceberg with a torch in one hand and a rock in your pocket, would you? Now lets get back to it.. Torches are OP. Being naked when you start only ATTRACTS other people.. Hmmm... I can make C4 but my house has no :johnnymo1:lights And for some strange reason, all these animals on this island are wolfs in horses clothing? Uh..[/QUOTE] You tell them to get back on topic and the proceed to state completely random shit...

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