Why?? Admins Why?? Abusing "Tools" - Rust

[QUOTE=Rika-chan;43381311]You do realize there are people with like 3000+ hours in gmod right?[/QUOTE] on the same server - seems legit

[QUOTE=Gak;43381203]Thanks for the apology i was getting a little angry and i tend to go off the handle a little bit..i will try not to in the future I think but am not 100 percent sure that the server did say no admin abuse but in any case i think the admin didn't have these tools there wouldn't be a problem. Correct me if i am wrong but i don't know of any other game that gives the admin the right to use god mode.[/QUOTE] your idiot friend knowingly harassed the admin and got banned. deal with it, dont fuck with god on his home turf son

[QUOTE=Nogrim;43381336]your idiot friend knowingly harassed the admin and got banned. deal with it, dont fuck with god on his home turf son[/QUOTE] LOL its my "idot friends" fault for shooting the admin and being killed by the admins uber weapon then being banned... sorry but i don't know if your being serious or not.. Also he didn't know it was the admin until he was killed by him

[QUOTE=Gak;43381250]ok fair enough i have never played garry's mod but i used to run a dayz server and i never had an option to use god mode on or atleast i didn't see an option for it[/QUOTE] I'm fairly sure the Bohmeia engine doesn't actually have a "god mode", it's a simulation engine first and foremost, it has little to no need for one. And if it did, just because the admin "tools" don't expose it, doesn't mean it isn't there. People would find a way to access it or emulate it if they needed it.

Anyway i have had my rant and the devs can take it or leave it...its just as easy to go play another game... Remember though the post isnt about admins losing their powers. I only wanted the devs to have a look at what is going on with the tools that the admins have right now

[QUOTE=Gak;43381410]Anyway i have had my rant and the devs can take it or leave it...its just as easy to go play another game... Remember though the post isnt about admins losing their powers. I only wanted the devs to have a look at what is going on with the tools that the admins have right now[/QUOTE] There is nothing for the dev's to look at though, just admins running the servers they paid for the way they want to.

Its a private server that someone besides the OP pays for. The owner has every right to ban who ever they like from their server period. The sense of entitlement coming from the OP is astounding, go play on official servers or rent your own. I have a very strong feeling the OP is nothing more than a server troll who deserved to get banned, this is what happens when you spoil your children. Problems admins face in Rust 1 no player list with names, player IDs, or IPs 2 can't ban funky names even if you find them 3 hacking is off the hook 4 horrible player base full of spoiled, self entitled children I have a hypothesis that if admins were given the tools needed to police their servers properly they this game would lose 50% of it playerbase. This isn't my first rodeo, I have been hosting servers for community players for sometime and this has to be one of the most immature player bases I have seen in a long time. Game is great fun when it runs good, has tons of potential but please for the love of god give us the tools to manage a respectable community on our private servers.

stop the rant already. just leave the stupid server.

You are playing on HIS rented server.

it's the same bullshit going on, like in minecraft and other small games, there every douche, that rents a server, calls him self an admin, meanwhile he is just a normal player with god mode. They got nothing to do, they got no real admin work, they're just bored. Sure there are some smart ppl, that can mod the servers, that help ppl, but these ppl dont even have real tools to do their work properly!

OMG wow this thread is full of idiots. Gak isnt talking about the Ban... he doesnt care about the ban.. He is asking why admins have the ability to Cheat. Sorry but i doubt that godmode and a super weapon are a necessity for being an admin? I cant think of one good reason why an admin would need godmode other than to cheat?? Gak was not disputing that an admin who pays for a server is entitled to Ban/Abuse and do whatever he see's fit... However why should the admin be allowed to cheat?? Doesnt that just make the game null and void? Lets all go rent servers so we can legally cheat at the game without fear of ban/VAC.... At the current state Admins will abuse this Tool/Power and therefore they will lose players once they find out that the admin is the biggest cheat in the game. So why not simply take out these features (as they aren't needed for admining) and then eliminate the problem of admin cheating abuse ( not to be mistaken for admin banning abuse)

It's kind of simple. If you run around actually doing stuff admins sometimes have to do, like helping out players getting stuck, getting rid of offensive players, etc. etc. etc. etc. whatever that might not have anything to do with normal gameplay, then its very justified that they go into god mode, teleport around and whatnot. It would be rather silly that an admin cannot play normally just because everytime he/she wants to track down someone to help and is getting shot because of some moron that their own gameplay suffers. Sometimes without those things not only would their own gameplay suffer but they wouldn't even be able to help out in the first place, like with stuck players. Thats more than enough justification of why these tools are even in the game and at the admins command. Thats the point of an admin after all. That many people abuse these tools is a totally different story, but as with every tool, they can be both used for good and wisely and they can be abused. Don't blame the tools for how they are being used. On top of that as for entitlement: An admin can at any time with or without stating a reason, ban you, remove you from their server or not let you play on their server at all. Its their server and they make the rules after all. If they want to have all the players hop around weirdly all the time and otherwise they ban you, its their decision. As much as its your decision to decide on what server you want to play on. They can also as the owners at any time shut down their servers with or without prior notice. They pay for the server, so its their decision. If they wouldn't pay for the server you wouldn't have the option of playing there. Its the same as with an apartment. If someone opens up their apartment for a party, you don't have to join, and perhaps its a nice party if you do join, but perhaps the owner is a douche, then he is still the owner and can throw you out of his apartment at any time.

@Rynea Maybe if there was an identifier hovering above them. Identifying them as an admin when they are using any of these powers. Just like police in real life, they have the uniform so that you know who they are. This would keep you from wasting your time trying to shoot them and keep the admins free of distraction when they are trying to do work. Once they turn the admin features off the identifier can go away and they can play the game normally.

xuereb, thats surely a nice feature, but you have to realize this is alpha, nice little icons above someone's head surely has no priority over rather necessary features like for example the option of setting a server password, so people can actually make private servers just to give one of many many things that would be kinda important compared to commodities like that. The things mentioned by the topic starter are rarely an issue on servers with decent admins. They normally will tell you that they are in admin status and kindly ask you to leave them alone because they are busy with xyz and then leave you alone to continue your play. Get to know your server staff and owner before you invest hours without end of your time if you want to be on the save side. If you like them continue playing, if you dislike them look for another server. This also helps to explain the ideas of the owner what the server should be about and what are the general rules, that way you don't have any unnecessary surprises later on. While it surely has its merits to clearly see who is admin and when they have god mode on it won't really help with abuse and as already mentioned, while understandably irritating to have people abusing things, not having these tools would be even worse and just make it harder for all decent server admins.

[QUOTE=Gak;43380809]So a mate of mine got banned from a server because he shot the admin ten times in the head at pointblank range but the admin took no damage at all...he must have been afk and upon his return he turned around and killed my mate with his uber hatchet. When my mate called him out on using god mode and the uber hatched he was banned. My question is why are the "admin tools" essentially just hacks/cheats?? they can teleport to you with god mode on and kill you instantly. When they get called out on this they just ban the person they have cheated against, This all seems a bit unfair. I think the admins should have these "tools" removed from the game ASAP as it is game breaking IMO. I know we have to deal with hackers in general but i dont think we should have to put up with Admins abusing their tools. My mate who this happened to now has no desire at all to even play the game which is a real shame because i think this game has some great potential. Please Please Please at least think about removing these tools..[/QUOTE] NO, NO, NO, NO, and if you're still thinking about it F**k No! If you want a server with no admin abuse, you should try mine or the myriad of other servers out there. (net.connect 23.239.109.130:28115) I have used these "Cheats/Hacks" as you call them to try to make the game a little more interesting. I never raid with these things running or even get involved in other conflicts while in admin status. This Game has amazing potential, and I strongly encourage you to come join a server that is fun and well managed. There will always be people that abuse things; but don't think for a moment that taking away tools from the good will stop the bad. (this is the heart of all gun ban debates)

[QUOTE=Tallios;43388965] There will always be people that abuse things; but don't think for a moment that taking away tools from the good will stop the bad. (this is the heart of all gun ban debates)[/QUOTE] Are you talking about gun regulation in USA? If so your an idiot lol

There is currently loads of admin abuse, I have had to leave at least 3 servers because admins got annoyed we shot at them or something of the sort. People say play community servers, but I don't really enjoy the tiny map with 200 players and without admins there is nobody to address the hacking problem. Sadly at the moment with the huge over population of community severs the only reasons someone would feel the need to rent another server is for the power that comes with it, and they are given too much power. That said people here are right, they pay for the privilege to troll so its really up to them, I don't expect admin abusers will have a populated server for too long, it up to you to move on and find a server you can rely on.

I think the issue (for me) is a complete lack of transparency on the part of the admins. I can't tell if an admin is godmoding, teleporting, or other nonsense. I have no way of telling if [No Admin Abuse] in a server name is actually legit. Also, logging on the admin side is woefully insufficient. For instance, our 12-person gang managed to put together a tower-city over the course of 3 days. We then (after 8 hours of work between the 12 of us) raided a number of houses, one of which happened to be the "admin house" of this "fair" server. We're then accused of duping and banned under false pretenses. Can't play official -- no way to block aimbots/hackers/noclippers, and cheating (in my experience) is rampant. But a community/modded servers turn into admin witch hunts as soon as one team begins to exert dominance and/or destroy the unmarked admin house. I paid for a server, and actually got DDOS'ed before the major DDOS'ing of the master list, while HFB offers zero in the way of mitigation (w/o an extra $50 a month). Can't do my own systems administration because server files. And given that we've only played on servers that claim "no admin abuse," I'm not inclined to trust the multitude of advertisements in this post either. Of course, we'll keep trying, but: "Winning" the game has become "how fast can we get banned from [i]this[/i] server by playing legit?" I really don't think that's working as intended. And despite a server owner having the [i]right[/i] to do things, it would make it easier to make decisions as a player with more information and more difficult for admin to use a blanket claim of "hax0rs!" to get rid of people who c4'd their walls. Makes sense that an admin might need these powers. But even a message "X kicked Y from server" would be going a long way.

[QUOTE=Gak;43381017] [QUOTE=Gvazdas;43381001]Alright, here we go, read very carefully now: IT IS [B]HIS[/B] server; [B]HIS[/B] property. Since it is [B]HIS[/B] server and not [B]YOUR[/B] server, therefore, [B]HE DOESN'T CARE WHAT YOU THINK.[/B] Did you read that part? Did you understand it? I can give you extra bold and italic, if you want.[/QUOTE] Dude your a real peice or work rnt you....how high is your horse buddy?? [editline]2nd January 2014[/editline] wait your a gold member ....must give you the right to be a prick[/QUOTE] I actually have to agree with Gak on this topic, why does (should) owning the server give you the permission to cheat? Isn't that similiar to somebody saying; this is my car (and license), I can do whatever I want with it, I don't care about you, I won't stop for pedestriants! Or even; why do I have to pull over (or evade) that noisy thing with blue lights flashing behind me? I have the same right to be on this road as him, right? Dunno if that made sense, but well... my opinion still stands; in my eyes it's wrong, and doesn't make sense really. In the end; I agree with Gak on this. [I]Just wanted to back you up really, u're not alone! =)[/I]

[QUOTE=Gak;43380809]So a mate of mine got banned from a server because he shot the admin ten times in the head at pointblank range but the admin took no damage at all...he must have been afk and upon his return he turned around and killed my mate with his uber hatchet. When my mate called him out on using god mode and the uber hatched he was banned. My question is why are the "admin tools" essentially just hacks/cheats?? they can teleport to you with god mode on and kill you instantly. When they get called out on this they just ban the person they have cheated against, This all seems a bit unfair. I think the admins should have these "tools" removed from the game ASAP as it is game breaking IMO. I know we have to deal with hackers in general but i dont think we should have to put up with Admins abusing their tools. My mate who this happened to now has no desire at all to even play the game which is a real shame because i think this game has some great potential. Please Please Please at least think about removing these tools..[/QUOTE] Admins are supposed to be overpowered, so they can control everyone else and enforce rules. If an admin is abusing report him to the head admin, If nothing is done go to a different server with non abusive admins

It's not as if they could prevent people using admin powers anyways, even if they should remove the tools (which wouldn't make any sense to me) people will just add them on their own again. Without admin tools servers are unmanageable.

[QUOTE=Freeaze;43389294]I actually have to agree with Gak on this topic, why does (should) owning the server give you the permission to cheat? Isn't that similiar to somebody saying; this is my car (and license), I can do whatever I want with it, I don't care about you, I won't stop for pedestriants! Or even; why do I have to pull over (or evade) that noisy thing with blue lights flashing behind me? I have the same right to be on this road as him, right? Dunno if that made sense, but well... my opinion still stands; in my eyes it's wrong, and doesn't make sense really. In the end; I agree with Gak on this. [I]Just wanted to back you up really, u're not alone! =)[/I][/QUOTE] Owning a car is different from owning a game on a server. It would be like having a internet cafe and saying to people you are not allowed to go on a certain site and then going on that site your self. Not the best thing to compare it to because owning a game and a server is different from anything else.

Like I've said. No abuse. [NJP][Chicago] SBR [pvp/sleepers/half craft time] net.connect 208.117.11.43:28095 Mumble: 63.143.46.202:64778

I am currently the manager of the first Spanish-speaking community, we are around 700 users and I honestly I haven't time to play on my own server, why?. Because I'm the manager and my job is to manage and give quality to my server, and that takes a lot of time if you really care about each player.

[QUOTE=LuaChobo;43389702]Are you making enough money to keep the server up and have a decent amount left over? if not, don't call it a job.[/QUOTE] You're absolutely right, call it: responsibility

[QUOTE=switch-;43389067]Are you talking about gun regulation in USA? If so your an idiot lol[/QUOTE] It's just an analogy dude. Chill out.

there is no other answer than to avoid community servers

[QUOTE=Gak;43380940]im not really complaining that the admin was being a dick i am just saying that they shouldnt be able to use God mode and special weapons I know its easy enough to just play on another server just get rid of these admin tools i reckon [editline]2nd January 2014[/editline] I agree that is is his server but y should he get cheats to use??[/QUOTE] Because it is his server?. [editline]3rd January 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Gak;43381250]ok fair enough i have never played garry's mod but i used to run a dayz server and i never had an option to use god mode on or atleast i didn't see an option for it[/QUOTE] i've Admined a DayZ server and no you cant get Godmode but you can spawn Fighter Jets and Attack Heli's even fully loaded tanks anywhere any time with a click of a button and move people instantly out into the middle of the ocean.

I have my own server and I have a few admins. But I set some rules about these admin "tools". And all admin play legit. They gather and build just like everybody else. The only time we use admin tools is when we´re stalking a possible hacker. My point is. Not every server has abusing admins. Find the right one. You´re welcome to join mine.

[QUOTE=LuaChobo;43390886]its like the darkRP all over again "this server is abusing admin" "guys come to my server its better"[/QUOTE] Does your server have rp_downtown?