Would love to try out my anti-cheat/hack/injection service on the game - Question. - Rust

[QUOTE=steamfreak;43703601]Alright so this thread is starting to slip off topic.. So, again i ask why question it? Why not just let him test it and see the results. If he fails then meh, shit goes back to normal and people still whine about hacks, 50 threads a day. If it works, itll make you fucks look stupid for stomping on him for offering an opinion. I cant believe what assholes some of you are.[/QUOTE] Because his solution is as effective as smearing lube all over the server machine so that the hacks just glide off instead of sticking to the server. I can't believe how ignorant you are.

[QUOTE=AmShaegar;43703630]Simply because what he describes is impossible. We are trying to figure out what exactly he is using to prevent cheaters from joining his game servers. Because it's not what he says. No serverside client dlls injection detection.[/QUOTE] Again i ask.... Why not let him try it? If it fails it fails.... No harm done. [QUOTE=XoX;43703646]Because his solution is as effective as smearing lube all over the server machine so that the hacks just glide off instead of sticking to the server. I can't believe how ignorant you are.[/QUOTE] Your the biggest asshole on this thread, if your so sure hes going to fail then why not sit back and watch?

[QUOTE=steamfreak;43703601]Alright so this thread is starting to slip off topic.. So, again i ask why question it? Why not just let him test it and see the results. If he fails then meh, shit goes back to normal and people still whine about hacks, 50 threads a day. If it works, itll make you fucks look stupid for stomping on him for offering an opinion. I cant believe what assholes some of you are.[/QUOTE] It's not slipping off-topic as we are discussing information relevant to his system. The problem is that this is technically impossible. iSoldier: "I think I can break the laws of gravity! Can someone lend me a roof to jump off of to test it?" steamfreak: "Why are you doubting him, it sounds complete feasible. Why not let him test it? I can't believe what assholes some of you are!"

[QUOTE=Falimetahos;43703633]I am sure there are as many ways to find to stop a hacker[/QUOTE] There are but at this stage of development they did not think of it already. That' why it is how it is at the moment. And as you can see in garry's posts, they are already working on it.

[QUOTE=steamfreak;43703658]Again i ask.... Why not let him try it? If it fails it fails.... No harm done.[/QUOTE] It is a waste of time.

[QUOTE=Pseudochu;43703659]It's not slipping off-topic as we are discussing information relevant to his system. The problem is that this is technically impossible. iSoldier: "I think I can break the laws of gravity! Can someone lend me a roof to jump off of to test it?" steamfreak: "Why are you doubting him, it sounds complete feasible. Why not let him test it? I can't believe what assholes some of you are!"[/QUOTE] Maybe i like to watch people try to jump off roofs?

You guys are shady. "Why not let him try it" I bet you 1 cent that this is duh virus or sum shit. He kinda joined in January, so idk i'm probably a dumb shit but this shit is just dumb . Calm your balls and don't rage as this is my opinion which don't really matter (Y).

[QUOTE=XoX;43703683]It is a waste of time.[/QUOTE] Then why are you wasting your time arguing with him?

[QUOTE=steamfreak;43703708]Then why are you wasting your time arguing with him?[/QUOTE] So people like you don't listen to his nonsense.

[QUOTE=XoX;43703718]So people like you don't listen to his nonsense.[/QUOTE] Who says im listening, i already told you i dont know jack shit about this crap. Im not a software engineer. But i do like it when someone walks in and has a wild idea and wants to test it. Trial and Error.

[QUOTE=steamfreak;43703743]Who says im listening, i already told you i dont know jack shit about this crap. Im not a software engineer. But i do like it when someone walks in and has a wild idea and wants to test it. Trial and Error.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=XoX;43703646]Because his solution is as effective as smearing lube all over the server machine so that the hacks just glide off instead of sticking to the server. I can't believe how ignorant you are.[/QUOTE] If it was remotely plausible, sure, but it's not.

[QUOTE=XoX;43703758]If it was remotely plausible, sure, but it's not.[/QUOTE] Im not sure how many times im going to repeat this, but, Why not let him try?

There is nothing to try. He just describes something impossible.

To be fair, the OP's claims are factually correct. He DID catch 100% of everyone he caught ;)

[QUOTE=steamfreak;43703789]Im not sure how many times im going to repeat this, but, Why not let him try?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=XoX;43703683]It is a waste of time.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AmShaegar;43703799]There is nothing to try. He just describes something impossible.[/QUOTE] In that case, why not let him try?

[QUOTE=KillaMaaki;43703804]To be fair, the OP's claims are factually correct. He DID catch 100% of everyone he caught ;)[/QUOTE] I'm sure also caught 100% of people who were [I]injecting their scripts into the machines to gain elevated permissions[/I] or [I]using a particular DLL, and running it in the process memory on the host machine[/I]

You don't get it: You cannot try something implausible. It's like letting someone try to walk upside down on the ceiling...

[QUOTE=AmShaegar;43703846]You don't get it: You cannot try something implausible. It's like letting someone try to walk upside down on the ceiling...[/QUOTE] There's that part too.

[QUOTE=AmShaegar;43703846]You don't get it: YOu cannot try something implausible. It's like letting someone try to walk upside down on the ceiling...[/QUOTE] I dont think you understand my point, let me explain it in as much detail as possible. Why not let him try something that he thinks is possible? Even when you and everyone else thinks its not. If a kid walked up to you and said "Hey, if i flap my arms hard enough, i think i can fly." Are you going to tell him "No, humans cant fly, ever." Or are you going to sit back and watch as he tests it and figures it out on his own? If you tell the kid he cant fly hes most likely going to blame you, or at least be upset that you fucked his whole world view. Again, ill ask you guys, why not let him try?

Look, steamfreak - if he wants to try something let him rent his own server and test it there. Otherwise there's no point in letting him waste some other poor saps time.

Well, if you don't want an answer to your question, don't ask it. You could say: "Shut up and let him try." Instead you are asking 'why' and don't accept any answers.

[QUOTE=Onisan;43703945]Look, steamfreak - if he wants to try something let him rent his own server and test it there. Otherwise there's no point in letting him waste some other poor saps time.[/QUOTE] Now your starting to get it. [QUOTE=AmShaegar;43703952]Well, if you don't want an answer to your question, don't ask it. You could say: "Shut up and let him try." Instead you are asking 'why' and don't accept any answers.[/QUOTE] Now your being technical.. I ask why simply because its funny to watch you struggle to understand my twist on humor.

[QUOTE=steamfreak;43703822]In that case, why not let him try?[/QUOTE] If people are talking like XoX, and he isn't alone with his opinion, it's time to get the point where dreams end and thinks are impossible. Loominal stated he has a server and asked for instructions. So there is one's trying already. And yes after thinking about... injecting dll's into windows would be similar to alter shared objects within linux which aren't pgp'ed... if it'll be possible you can also announce root password of server as a motd.

Thanks steamfreak. Again, I say to you all, if you do not understand script injection detection, go google online classes or something to help you understand it. To those of you who are trying to figure out what I'm using? That's not going to happen. I am not going to just give out what I use, I want to first test it privately, and if it doesn't work, then so be it, but guess what. If someone decides to inject a script to the server and elevate their permissions to Admin to shut down the server? It denies them access to doing that by banning their IP from connecting ever again or until they change their IP. I like all the questions, but please, sort out your thoughts before you hit the Post Quick Reply button after ranting for a quick sentence. The things most of you are spouting off are entirely false, and gives me a idea that I shouldn't post about fixes anymore. I like to help communities of games, I have worked with [url]www.i-stats.net[/url] personally and discovered that what I have and use works, confirmed by them. If you know anything about cheat detection via stats in games, these guys are the ones to go to. I just came here to ask a simple question, and instead I got told that its impossible, and doesn't work and cant work because its not a "thing". Well I wouldn't still be here if it "wasen't" a THING. [B][U]Cheers![/U][/B] :eng101: [editline]28th January 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Onisan;43703945]Look, steamfreak - if he wants to try something let him rent his own server and test it there. Otherwise there's no point in letting him waste some other poor saps time.[/QUOTE] If I could get the files to put it on my own PC at home, I would just host the server myself, I have a powerful enough server to run this, and both of my FTB Minecraft servers. With ease. Only thing is, they don't allow people to get servers anymore from what I read.

[QUOTE=Loominal;43703549]ok i soldier i have a server what do you need to implement it[/QUOTE] How can I contact you further for testing? [editline]28th January 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Teddybeer;43704050]I'm lazy, link me.[/QUOTE] [URL="http://lmgtfy.com/?q=online+classes+for+script+injection"]Here, let me google that for you[/URL] [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Let Me Google That For You" - Craptasket))[/highlight]

Lol. You can be banned for posting that link? It a virus or something? Or just pissed at his sense of humor? lol ~ C

Wow, you really banned him for that? It was simply a sarcastic response using a website meant exactly for that purpose. Why do i even bother with these forums if Mods can simply ban on a whim. [QUOTE=DaddyC;43704141]Lol. You can be banned for posting that link? It a virus or something? Or just pissed at his sense of humor? lol ~ C[/QUOTE] Its not a virus, its a website that you can use to make sarcastic replies, the website literally Googles it for you. Im actually upset that he got banned for that. I think its about time we started redoing the rulebook around here, i just took a look at the section rules and found nothing against Let me google that for you.

[QUOTE=iSoldier;43701576]Actually I have had a 100% catch rate so far via Minecraft and World of Warcraft, and ARMA3.[/quote] What are you talking about here seriously? Are you author of a system implemented on both these 3 softwares and that is proven to have caught every cheat on these three softwares. Sounds phony. [QUOTE=XoX;43702757]VAC does not work serverside. It scans your memory which it obviously does on your PC, not magically from the server. If you think it works differently then I am happy to listen.[/QUOTE] Considering the amount of cheat around on Rust, we safely assume that VAC is not up to the task. It was designed for CS, so far I understand it detect significants signatures of known hacks. It surely cannot help that much on an alpha software using an minor engine (and not source that all valve games use). [QUOTE=Zeroun;43703086]All of this sounds nice until someone purchases a VPN and says their IP is a random IP in India. Then your anti cheat pretty much fails.[/QUOTE] Not even a matter of VPN. Is IPv6 completely deployed? No it's not. Are there enough IP with IPv4 right now for every internet user? No, it's not the case. It's not new that some provider, in India but not only, do NATs to provide internet to their customers. So banning an IP in 2014, it's for sure a way to ban legitimate users. You can surely implement test based on IP, delay, cross-checked in case of suspicious things, but not a simple ban, definitely not. [QUOTE=iSoldier;43703154]Dit WILL detect them injecting their script to alter their client on the server[/QUOTE] The client... on the server. Have you some code that we can check now? [QUOTE=iSoldier;43703323]I think if you have a problem understanding what I'm talking about, maybe you should go take some free online classes to help understand more how cheat detection "Really" works.[/QUOTE] So far, it really looks that you do not even understand what a client/server architecture is. So please provide some code. And dont tell me your code need to be secret or any crap of the like. If we can read the code of OpenSSH, gnupg and the like, we surely can read also the code of your great system for Rust.

[QUOTE=steamfreak;43704193]Wow, you really banned him for that? It was simply a sarcastic response using a website meant exactly for that purpose. Why do i even bother with these forums if Mods can simply ban on a whim.[/QUOTE] Because he's obviously full of shit. Sitting there telling people to take online classes for cheat detection and script injection is ridiculous because they don't exist. If he would have said "I have my CISSP" and given his CISSP #, or said he had a software engineering masters (not comp sci) then it could have lent some credence to his argument. However, he chose the stupid route and spouted off nonsense about things he's clearly undereducated and overconfident in.