VAC banned but im not - Rust

[QUOTE=withnail;45273444]You said, and I quote, Everyone includes me.[/QUOTE] Get off your high-horse. He hacked something like 8 years ago. As Jessica says, "You're presented with a general garment and you claim it cut to you fit?" It was a generalization.

[QUOTE=spooner777;45265962]There is your answer. Cheaters get VAC banned. If you cheat in one game, that makes you a cheater. Therefore you should get banned. Problem solved.[/QUOTE] Classic Soviet Russia shit!! "You are rich, I am poor. I take all your things and divide them by poor people like me, thus rendering you poor." You are opening a deeper than expected (at least by you) discussion, because, even if he had cheated on another game, he still payed for it and payed for Rust as well. So, what's the thing now? You take his money and proceed to ban him from all and any games? You sir, are what I like to denominate as a unwillingly unconscious communist. :eng101:

[QUOTE=almosttactful;45266357]I run the auto VAC kicker on my server too...you've got a ban and can't be trusted so GTFO of my house and go cheat else where...[/QUOTE] 5 people said this post was dumb...I'm willing to bet those 5 cheat and are butthurt because they were caught with their pants down...

[QUOTE=Zipper Bear;45273262]With so many games that have been ruined by hackers, I think you should keep your vac ban status forever. People like you ruin these games for everybody else, and I frankly don't care if you feel like you've been a good boy and deserve it to be removed. Once a cheater alway cheater.[/QUOTE] What a stupid concept. "Once a cheater, always a cheater." So because I used a GameShark on my gameboy when I was eight, that means that as an adult 13 years later I am going to cheat? Just because some people aren't rehabilitated by their ban doesn't mean everyone isn't. Applied to real life, that'd mean that prisons are pointless and we should just execute all criminals because "once a criminal always a criminal." Or how about on FacePunch? I joined over four years ago and immediately started shitposting. "Once a shitposter, always a shitposter," I should have been permabanned. But look, I haven't been banned in over 3 years. Essentially you're generalizing the psychological profiles of every person, when it's been well established that not every person is the same. Some people have the ability to be rehabilitated; some others just need to grow up. I'm not the same person I was 4 years ago, let alone 13 years ago, and I guarantee that L33T isn't the same person he was 8 years ago. People with the "Once a ____, always a ____" mentality are just lazy assholes who don't look at situations on a case-by-case basis. [editline]2nd July 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=almosttactful;45274638]5 people said this post was dumb...I'm willing to bet those 5 cheat and are butthurt because they were caught with their pants down...[/QUOTE] [url=http://steamcommunity.com/id/lordcrypto]LordCrypto[/url] [url=http://steamcommunity.com/id/wazbat]wazbat[/url] There's a such thing as having common sense and the ability to reason.

Everyone has their own opinion on what a VAC ban means on an account, and how old it has to be before they hold it against the user (if they choose to forgive them at all). This is a personal decision for everyone, and there are valid arguments for multiple sides. Instead of arguing about the appropriateness of such a plugin, can we just agree that server owners are in charge of their servers' policies and reputations? If a server bans anyone with a VAC ban, that's up to them and it'll be their responsibility to deal with the response they get from their players. Don't play on those servers if you don't like it, there are plenty out there. It's not as if it's being seriously considered as a vanilla feature.

[QUOTE=Prov3rbial;45273864]"You're presented with a general garment and you claim it cut to you fit?"[/QUOTE] When the garment is described as one size fits all, yes.

[QUOTE=Kurogo;45273181]Does it really bug you that out of the thousands of servers available to play on, there is a handful that won't let you play because they don't want cheaters, whether current or former, on their server? It's their server, there are plenty more that don't care. If that's how they want it run, let it go.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=elixwhitetail;45274913]Everyone has their own opinion on what a VAC ban means on an account, and how old it has to be before they hold it against the user (if they choose to forgive them at all). This is a personal decision for everyone, and there are valid arguments for multiple sides. Instead of arguing about the appropriateness of such a plugin, can we just agree that server owners are in charge of their servers' policies and reputations? If a server bans anyone with a VAC ban, that's up to them and it'll be their responsibility to deal with the response they get from their players. Don't play on those servers if you don't like it, there are plenty out there. It's not as if it's being seriously considered as a vanilla feature.[/QUOTE] If I get banned from a server because I have a vac ban on my account, I don't get angry, I get more disappointed that people aren't willing to look past a ban that happened 8 years ago. I will go play on other servers, if the owner really thinks that a person can't change in 8 years and will is still always hacking, that's their own stupidity. I think it is the server owners fault for having that issue about not being able to think someone can change. However, I think its Valves fault for not showing ANY leniency at all. VAC bans should have an expiry date, and its not just me saying that because I do want my vac ban to be removed. Basically I think WastedJamacan explains it perfectly, just because you hacked one a very long time ago, doesn't mean you will always be a hacker. Did you make a stupid choice? Yes, but should that choice follow you for your entire life? No. [QUOTE=WastedJamacan;45274714]What a stupid concept. "Once a cheater, always a cheater." So because I used a GameShark on my gameboy when I was eight, that means that as an adult 13 years later I am going to cheat? Just because some people aren't rehabilitated by their ban doesn't mean everyone isn't. Applied to real life, that'd mean that prisons are pointless and we should just execute all criminals because "once a criminal always a criminal." Or how about on FacePunch? I joined over four years ago and immediately started shitposting. "Once a shitposter, always a shitposter," I should have been permabanned. But look, I haven't been banned in over 3 years. Essentially you're generalizing the psychological profiles of every person, when it's been well established that not every person is the same. Some people have the ability to be rehabilitated; some others just need to grow up. I'm not the same person I was 4 years ago, let alone 13 years ago, and I guarantee that L33T isn't the same person he was 8 years ago. People with the "Once a ____, always a ____" mentality are just lazy assholes who don't look at situations on a case-by-case basis.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TH3_L33T;45275429] Did you make a stupid choice? Yes, but should that choice follow you for your entire life? No.[/QUOTE] Yes. In real life we call this a Criminal Record.

[QUOTE]However, I think its Valves fault for not showing ANY leniency at all. VAC bans should have an expiry date, and its not just me saying that because I do want my vac ban to be removed.[/QUOTE] Ignorance is not an excuse for cheating. If you cheat, no matter the age, you deserve the mark of shame on your account.

[QUOTE=TH3_L33T;45275429]However, I think its Valves fault for not showing ANY leniency at all. VAC bans should have an expiry date, and its not just me saying that because I do want my vac ban to be removed.[/QUOTE] VAC bans used to be one year long. The recidivism rate was so high they increased it to five years. When that failed to deter cheaters from going right back to their old ways after their bans expired, they made them permanent, and that's the way it has to be. Cheaters affect the reputation of the entire platform, and that affects all publishers and developers. Valve cannot afford to fuck around with cheaters spoiling the enjoyment of their customers. However, there is also realistically a limit as to how intense your anticheat can get. My point was, how about we stop arguing and just agree to accept that server owners can make their own decisions, and if they want to be, in the eyes of some, dicks about judging a user by their past sins, that's up to them and they'll be responsible for the results. Because all this thread has been, for the last 30 posts, has been bickering and arguing over a matter of personal opinion. Please stop arguing.

[QUOTE=withnail;45275541]Yes. In real life we call this a Criminal Record.[/QUOTE] In real life your juvenile criminal record gets sealed when you become an adult. Also, you can petition to get your record expunged, which valve will not do. I understand the point you're trying to make, but it's a flawed analogy.

I admit responsibility for cheating in MW2 but I have yet to cheat in Rust and I don't plan to. That said, if you're willing to profile players before they even play on your server, that's your choice. Just don't expect me to ever want to play on your server on principle, anyway.

Think of the plugin as a background check, and the servers are like jobs... You can get most jobs, but some you can't get because you are a filthy piece of cheating garbage..

[QUOTE=withnail;45275541]Yes. In real life we call this a Criminal Record.[/QUOTE] I can't believe you just compared cheating in a video game to a criminal act.

[QUOTE=Karma.;45275843]Think of the plugin as a background check, and the servers are like jobs... You can get most jobs, but some you can't get because you are a filthy piece of cheating garbage..[/QUOTE] a lot of jobs out there don't actually care if you have a criminal record 5 years ago

I will admit though, I have cheated in games that are close to 30 years old now. It was called the Game Genie for NES. :suicide:. People with really old bans I would give them a chance, nobody should be punished for past mistakes for the rest of their life, atleast not something minor. But, it's not worth arguing about it, each server owner can and will make these choices at their own discretion, as it is their right.

Who hasn't cheated in a form of game? I still remember flying back in the day of the first red faction. And those who claim they haven't had a cheat, im sure you too wanted your sims to drown in a ladderless pool.

[QUOTE=MelGibson;45276479]im sure you too wanted your sims to drown in a ladderless pool.[/QUOTE] Gotta get dat sweet, sweet rosebud;!;!;!;!;!;!;!;! action going. :zoid:

[QUOTE=Sievers808;45276501]Gotta get dat sweet, sweet rosebud;!;!;!;!;!;!;!;! action going. :zoid:[/QUOTE] You the man! I totally forgot the repeating portion of it too.

[QUOTE=MelGibson;45276517]You the man! I totally forgot the repeating portion of it too.[/QUOTE] I realize that this is entirely unrelated to the topic at hand but somehow I've managed to memorize my original The Sims CD key from way back when. Literally like ... what, 13 years ago? Still have it memorized.

[QUOTE=Protocol7;45275786]I admit responsibility for cheating in MW2 but I have yet to cheat in Rust and I don't plan to. That said, if you're willing to profile players before they even play on your server, that's your choice. Just don't expect me to ever want to play on your server on principle, anyway.[/QUOTE] This is exactly my situation. And I agree with you. I think what would be helpful with VAC Bans is if they actually said what game you're VAC Banned in at least, since they're permanent.

[QUOTE=Sievers808;45276741]I realize that this is entirely unrelated to the topic at hand but somehow I've managed to memorize my original The Sims CD key from way back when. Literally like ... what, 13 years ago? Still have it memorized.[/QUOTE] [code]DANGER !!!!!! TERROR HORROR[/code] Fuckin' Kid Icarus :v:

[QUOTE=MelGibson;45276479]And those who claim they haven't had a cheat, im sure you too wanted your sims to drown in a ladderless pool.[/QUOTE] "Cheating" against bots/singleplayer is completely different to cheating against other humans.

[QUOTE=withnail;45277907]"Cheating" against bots/singleplayer is completely different to cheating against other humans.[/QUOTE] Nopenopenope, you can't say that. Cheating is [B]cheating[/B]. [B][I]Once a cheater, always a cheater.[/I][/B] (sarcasm)

[QUOTE=theQQ;45278214]Nopenopenope, you can't say that. Cheating is [B]cheating[/B]. [B][I]Once a cheater, always a cheater.[/I][/B] (sarcasm)[/QUOTE] Look, someone here said "everybody cheats" which is absolute bullshit. That isn't sarcasm.

[QUOTE=withnail;45277907]"Cheating" against bots/singleplayer is completely different to cheating against other humans.[/QUOTE] You technically are cheating against other humans. My neighbor could never make a better house than I did.

[QUOTE=withnail;45273444]Everyone includes me.[/QUOTE] And you're probably lying. :v:

[QUOTE=almosttactful;45266357]I run the auto VAC kicker on my server too...you've got a ban and can't be trusted so GTFO of my house and go cheat else where...[/QUOTE] Your an asshole. A person can change because nothing is ever set in stone

[QUOTE=theQQ;45278214]Nopenopenope, you can't say that. Cheating is [B]cheating[/B]. [B][I]Once a cheater, always a cheater.[/I][/B] (sarcasm)[/QUOTE] Who never cheated on Grand Theft Auto even for fun c'mon. For me, cheating in solo is ok but I would not forgive anything if it's in multiplayer especially on Rust when you have to start from scratch if you die because of hacks

up up, down down, left right, left right, hold a, press start:) i'm not convinced prison works, and not convinced bans work. they are really just a way to segregate unwanted people from the society that dislikes their behavior. that said, its a game, and although it sucks that people cheat, there has to be a limit to how long that follow them. that's a matter of personal belief, and depends on the people involved. if a guy hacks, gets VAC banned then opens up another account and hacks the next day, he's probably not going to learn...but there's no guarantee he wont. regardless, it should be recognized that every server owner has the right to run their server how they want, provided it doesn't breach any agreements with the devs or the law. that includes discriminating against anyone who has ever cheated in order to decrease the chances of repeat offenders. personally i would just find another server...you probably don't want to have to deal with people who are so closed minded they wont even check out what kind of person you are before restricting your use of the server.