VAC banned but im not - Rust

[QUOTE=withnail;45278370]Look, someone here said "everybody cheats" which is absolute bullshit. That isn't sarcasm.[/QUOTE] Most people have tried it, I'd wager, probably when they were much younger. I did. The position that we should tar and feather folks forever for doing something stupid and petty in a video-game years ago is idiotic. It's a video-game. Nobody got hurt -- at worst, they were just annoyed. Most people get older and realize that cheating simply isn't fun and so they stop.

[QUOTE=WastedJamacan;45274714]What a stupid concept. "Once a cheater, always a cheater." So because I used a GameShark on my gameboy when I was eight, that means that as an adult 13 years later I am going to cheat? Just because some people aren't rehabilitated by their ban doesn't mean everyone isn't. Applied to real life, that'd mean that prisons are pointless and we should just execute all criminals because "once a criminal always a criminal." Or how about on FacePunch? I joined over four years ago and immediately started shitposting. "Once a shitposter, always a shitposter," I should have been permabanned. But look, I haven't been banned in over 3 years. Essentially you're generalizing the psychological profiles of every person, when it's been well established that not every person is the same. Some people have the ability to be rehabilitated; some others just need to grow up. I'm not the same person I was 4 years ago, let alone 13 years ago, and I guarantee that L33T isn't the same person he was 8 years ago. People with the "Once a ____, always a ____" mentality are just lazy assholes who don't look at situations on a case-by-case basis. [editline]2nd July 2014[/editline] [url=http://steamcommunity.com/id/lordcrypto]LordCrypto[/url] [url=http://steamcommunity.com/id/wazbat]wazbat[/url] There's a such thing as having common sense and the ability to reason.[/QUOTE] Nobody gives 2 shits that you cheated on your gameboy, or GTA, or the sims, those are all single player games. The VAC BAN ISSUE AT HAND, is that once you cheat IN A MULTIPLAYER GAME, you deserve a public mark of shame warning the other players about your past deeds, because humans need to be accountable for all things they do, even in the virtual world. You're ruining other people's time with your careless behavior, so if the people who have to counteract all the bullshit hackers exploit to break their projects with extreme measures, then so be it.

[QUOTE=mrknifey;45280173]up up, down down, left right, left right, hold a, press start:) [/QUOTE] up up, down down, left right, left right, press b, press a, press start :)

[QUOTE=caydee;45283553]up up, down down, left right, left right, press b, press a, press start :)[/QUOTE] [video=youtube;D-VbA5H2gjo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-VbA5H2gjo[/video]

the quality of that video is so bad, my eyes have actually gotten worse

[QUOTE=Zipper Bear;45282689]Nobody gives 2 shits that you cheated on your gameboy, or GTA, or the sims, those are all single player games. The VAC BAN ISSUE AT HAND, is that once you cheat IN A MULTIPLAYER GAME, you deserve a public mark of shame warning the other players about your past deeds, because humans need to be accountable for all things they do, even in the virtual world. You're ruining other people's time with your careless behavior, so if the people who have to counteract all the bullshit hackers exploit to break their projects with extreme measures, then so be it.[/QUOTE] People are held accountable, they're vac banned from whatever game they cheated in, and the huge "LAST VAC BAN 526 DAYS AGO" on their profile is enough of a "Public mark of shame". I too remember google'ing "runescape gold cheat" and "garrysmod server admin hack", almost every pc gamer has.

What the fuck has happened to this thread jesus the OP stopped posting 2 days ago.

[QUOTE=MelGibson;45276479]Who hasn't cheated in a form of game? I still remember flying back in the day of the first red faction. And those who claim they haven't had a cheat, im sure you too wanted your sims to drown in a ladderless pool.[/QUOTE] Of course it is fine to cheat in single player. Single player cheating doest mess up everyone else's game. Cheating in multi player is just morally wrong. And people that decided that they don´t care about the other players don´t deserve to play with them. Weather they cheated in a different game or not does´t matter. Cheaters are just assholes! I agree though that after maybe 5 years, cheaters should be able to have that record removed. At least if they were young when they did it.

Oh god the rust community: "this guy cheated a long time ago on a game irrelevant to rust but never does anymore so why not disallow him from playing on my server as a show of how much better i am"

[QUOTE=Map in a box;45285880]Oh god the rust community: "this guy cheated a long time ago on a game irrelevant to rust but never does anymore so why not disallow him from playing on my server as a show of how much better i am"[/QUOTE] It's not "the Rust community", it's [I]some[/I] people who pay for and manage their own servers.

[QUOTE=Sievers808;45285915]It's not "the Rust community", it's [I]some[/I] people who pay for and manage their own servers.[/QUOTE] Far worse are the "everybody cheats" assholes. I'd rather have ten kill on sight kevs than one of them in a game I play.

[QUOTE=Sievers808;45285915]It's not "the Rust community", it's [I]some[/I] people who pay for and manage their own servers.[/QUOTE] Well as far as I can see the only server owners that bother doing this are from Rust.

[QUOTE=Map in a box;45287277]Well as far as I can see the only server owners that bother doing this are from Rust.[/QUOTE] I take it you're excluding all anticheat systems that issue global hwid bans, like Punkbuster -- i.e., you need new hardware to play, not even a new account will save you. Besides, alpha is a time when it's [B]really[/B] easy to cheat. When Rust ran in the Unity Webplayer, and not as a standalone, you could speedhack and fly with [I]Cheat Engine[/I]. People may be gunshy about people with histories of cheating connecting to their servers if hacking is a big problem and, due to developer priorities being elsewhere, many hacks are undetected over long windows of time. How many multiplayer Early Access games are there that use VAC [I]and[/I] offer player-hosted (whether limited to select GSPs like Rust or not) moddable servers? Not many, I'd wager, and they probably don't have the same challenges Rust has with detecting hackers (e.g. any Source game by definition has a very small map and well-understood spectator and demo-recording functions). And, it's up to the server owner. Server owners can choose to run with VAC disabled entirely. Server owners can choose to hand-pick users and whitelist the server to only them, rejecting everyone else entirely. Why do you care what particular server owners choose to do?

[QUOTE=withnail;45275541]Yes. In real life we call this a Criminal Record.[/QUOTE] You ever heard of being expunged? It is when after you pay your dues you go through a court process and have that taken off your record. That would be for petty crimes and not felonies. [B]Edit:[/B] [QUOTE=spooner777;45285823]Of course it is fine to cheat in single player. Single player cheating doest mess up everyone else's game. Cheating in multi player is just morally wrong. And people that decided that they don´t care about the other players don´t deserve to play with them. Weather they cheated in a different game or not does´t matter. Cheaters are just assholes! I agree though that after maybe 5 years, cheaters should be able to have that record removed. At least if they were young when they did it.[/QUOTE] What you are saying confuses me. You say it is fine to cheat when you are in single player, but when you cheat in multi-player it is a moral atrocity and they are assholes. I don't get that mainly because you contradict yourself. Cheating is a highly debatable topic but I think it can boil down to this: Cheaters who use software to enhance their game play over others should be punished but should also be forgiven, but cheaters who use software to ruin other peoples game play and break the game should be punished and not forgiven.

[QUOTE=Ceil;45287813] Cheating is a highly debatable topic but I think it can boil down to this: Cheaters who use software to enhance their game play over others should be punished but should also be forgiven, but cheaters who use software to ruin other peoples game play and break the game should be punished and not forgiven.[/QUOTE] And we can tell the difference, how? Please explain to me how a server owner can tell difference between the two.

[QUOTE=rwr124;45290880]And we can tell the difference, how? Please explain to me how a server owner can tell difference between the two.[/QUOTE] ( I was going to edit the post thoroughly but the forum directed otherwise) As I meant to say, that is the problem, and is why valve will never lift VAC bans, because that line between hurting and advantages is blurred. SO valves has a Zero tolerance limit to solve it.

[QUOTE=Ceil;45287813] What you are saying confuses me. You say it is fine to cheat when you are in single player, but when you cheat in multi-player it is a moral atrocity and they are assholes.[/QUOTE] If the consequences of an action only affect yourself, do as you wish. Actions that affect others is where right and wrong come into play.

My opinion is, 1. Hacking on Rust, DayZ, or any other permadeath game is unacceptable because whenever you cause the death of another player you are ruining the game for them and making them restart 2. Hacking on games like MW2, (Like i did to get my ban. I was a faggot ikr?) should be eventually forgiven. Unlike permadeath, all the frustration hacking in that game can do is piss off a try hard because of there 10/0 kd. Idk, It just doesn't seem fair that there is no way to get rid of a VAC ban. It is just there to forever and always have me discriminated for having one.

[QUOTE=Akward Fish;45305475]My opinion is, 1. Hacking on Rust, DayZ, or any other permadeath game is unacceptable because whenever you cause the death of another player you are ruining the game for them and making them restart 2. Hacking on games like MW2, (Like i did to get my ban. I was a faggot ikr?) should be eventually forgiven. Unlike permadeath, all the frustration hacking in that game can do is piss off a try hard because of there 10/0 kd. Idk, It just doesn't seem fair that there is no way to get rid of a VAC ban. It is just there to forever and always have me discriminated for having one.[/QUOTE] You don't think it has a similar effect on MW2? If you encounter a hacker, even in a FPS with no real recourse for death, you still gain a negative opinion on the matter. The server owner is at loss due to his server "allowing" a hacker on it although he had nothing to do with it and now players choose a different server in an attempt to remove themselves from said hacker. And now the player chooses to switch to a different game because too many people are being killed by hackers, which creates more hackers due to the human ego of "fight fire with fire" which pretty much changes the game for the worse and creates a hacker in every lobby (Plenty of games show proof of this). So dividing games based on the nature of the game in how hacks effect gameplay is just a debate that is at a loss. Any hacking in any game is similar, you waste your time (that's of your real world life, not your in game one) and in the outcome you go one way or another with it.

I cheated at handball back in high school. Should I be banned for life from playing handball lol

[QUOTE=3lindNinja;45310406]I cheated at handball back in high school. Should I be banned for life from playing handball lol[/QUOTE] If you told me that before we played a game of handball, I would think less of you and consider not playing you at all.

I wish VAC bans applied to all the games on the account, that would really make hackers think twice.

[QUOTE=Sievers808;45276064]I can't believe you just compared cheating in a video game to a criminal act.[/QUOTE] Its not cheating its hacking and theres many laws against hacking maybe not for targeting virtual goods inside a game you dont pay for, but its still making problems for people. Someone that would blow up my giant base with hacks would make me more mad if someone stole 10.00 off me.

VAC should induce strategically timed lags on hackers PC so they always get killed easily. Maybe hackers should wear a donkey hat on all the online games they have on Steam. There should be a 200gig file called vac.banned on their computer before they can play. Their character should only have half the health and half the stamina. All of these would balance the game out for people who were victims of overpowerful hackers.

[QUOTE=TH3_L33T;45272931]everyone cheats at some point[/QUOTE] Factually incorrect, and identifies you as someone who continues to normalize hacking. [editline]7th July 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Prov3rbial;45280236]Most people get older and realize that cheating simply isn't fun and so they stop.[/QUOTE]Yeah, and here's the problem with that, mate: [QUOTE=kokole;45265904]and I'm actually not hacking on Rust because I'm enjoying it without hacks.[/QUOTE] What do you think someone who writes a sentence like that does when they stop enjoying it 'without hacks'?

It's true, if a game gets boring or too hard, chances that you get yourself some hacks are much bigger. Especially in Rust with weak anti-cheat, cheap hacks and unforgiving gameplay, the threshold is even lower. If you're not hacking in Rust <because> you're enjoying it without hacks implies that as soon as you don't enjoy it anymore you start hacking. I'm not hacking in Rust because hacking on servers that don't explicitly allow it and have no VAC is morally wrong and destroys not only the fun of all the players but also the server itself. If you hack when you're not allowed to, you're a morally broken piece of human waste and I think you'd be more helpful to society if you'd turn into a bar of soap.

[QUOTE=Akward Fish;45305475]Hacking on games like MW2, (Like i did to get my ban. I was a faggot ikr?) should be eventually forgiven.[/QUOTE] At the end of the day, the penalty is that it costs you your account and you have to re-buy your games. Make a new account and don't cheat on it. Easy.

Here's an interesting idea for VAC bans. What if those caught with cheats had to play for 70 hours (without cheats) over the next week to keep their steam account from locking for the next (insert time limit here) ? It gives a small chance to pay for the offense, but if you fail, all of steam is on lock down. Just an interesting thought i had while reading all this. (And yes i realize a great many have jobs and cant pull 70 hours in 1 week. Thats the point. If you cant pay the price, it isnt worth it)

[QUOTE=vachon644;45314615]VAC should induce strategically timed lags on hackers PC so they always get killed easily. Maybe hackers should wear a donkey hat on all the online games they have on Steam. There should be a 200gig file called vac.banned on their computer before they can play. Their character should only have half the health and half the stamina. All of these would balance the game out for people who were victims of overpowerful hackers.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=withnail;45275541]Yes. In real life we call this a Criminal Record.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=withnail;45278370]Look, someone here said "everybody cheats" which is absolute bullshit. That isn't sarcasm.[/QUOTE] This is what happens when a mother drinks when having a kid, and then allows them to use their computer they forgot they had. [QUOTE=Akward Fish;45305475]My opinion is, 1. Hacking on Rust, DayZ, or any other permadeath game is unacceptable because whenever you cause the death of another player you are ruining the game for them and making them restart 2. Hacking on games like MW2, (Like i did to get my ban. I was a faggot ikr?) should be eventually forgiven. Unlike permadeath, all the frustration hacking in that game can do is piss off a try hard because of there 10/0 kd. Idk, It just doesn't seem fair that there is no way to get rid of a VAC ban. It is just there to forever and always have me discriminated for having one.[/QUOTE] that doesn't actually make any difference at all you know you don't forgive drunk driving just because it was in a city VS the country.

[QUOTE=J!NX;45316491]This is what happens when a mother drinks when having a kid, and then allows them to use their computer they forgot they had.[/QUOTE] What a snappy insult! (now where's that sarcasm emoticon)