VAC banned but im not - Rust

[QUOTE=3lindNinja;45310406]I cheated at handball back in high school. Should I be banned for life from playing handball lol[/QUOTE] Did you use a program to augment your throwing aim/run speed?

[QUOTE=Vasodeforever;45314197]Its not cheating its hacking and theres many laws against hacking maybe not for targeting virtual goods inside a game you dont pay for, but its still making problems for people. Someone that would blow up my giant base with hacks would make me more mad if someone stole 10.00 off me.[/QUOTE] No, it's cheating. The ones writing the cheats are hacking: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheating_in_online_games[/url] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacker_%28programmer_subculture%29[/url] [QUOTE=Skinnynaut;45315879]Factually incorrect, and identifies you as someone who continues to normalize hacking.[/QUOTE] So you claim that you never ever cheated? You never ever moved a figure on a board game when nobody was looking to get a unfair advantage when you where a little child? Face it: Everybody cheated at some point.

[QUOTE=V10lator;45325388]No, it's cheating. The ones writing the cheats are hacking: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheating_in_online_games[/url] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacker_%28programmer_subculture%29[/url] So you claim that you never ever cheated? You never ever moved a figure on a board game when nobody was looking to get a unfair advantage when you where a little child? Face it: Everybody cheated at some point.[/QUOTE] I've never cheated.

[QUOTE=OtherDalfite;45324994]Did you use a program to augment your throwing aim/run speed?[/QUOTE] skill hack

[QUOTE=Infernius;45279804]Your an asshole. A person can change because nothing is ever set in stone[/QUOTE] he paid for his Server he can do what ever he wants!!

now some people try to make anti cheat for they servers, but.. that "anti cheat" is bullshit. example: in anti cheat is some checks for speed hack..) and e.g. player, who move 25 m/sec will have ban) BUT.. who wrote that? who wrote add on? correctly - not a real programmer. there is no any iterators for check, how much times player moves with 25 m/s speed. in fact you can simply click "respawn" from 25 meters from your bed and got ban on that server. say fuck that server and go find another one without shitty anti cheat.

[QUOTE=id_Nerk;45326527]in anti cheat is some checks for speed hack..) and e.g. player, who move 25 m/sec will have ban) BUT.. who wrote that?[/QUOTE] I don't know what crappy anti-cheat you're referring to but this is certainly not how speed hack checks work. You can use more than 25m/sec by just jumping down a mountain. What you described is heuristical cheat detection, which can be kinda helpful but this is definitely not ban-worthy. I use heuristics from my stats (eg. violation codes, crate contents, learned blueprints) to try to identify potential hackers and then watch them carefully but if there's no guarantee, there's no ban.

[QUOTE=Gachl;45326570]I don't know what crappy anti-cheat you're referring to but this is certainly not how speed hack checks work. You can use more than 25m/sec by just jumping down a mountain. What you described is heuristical cheat detection, which can be kinda helpful but this is definitely not ban-worthy.[/QUOTE] wat? there is no accelerating on the fall state, and you can determine that the check (XYZ, ok). I saw this shit in plugins for oxide, that's all.

[QUOTE=id_Nerk;45326594]wat? there is no accelerating on the fall state, and you can determine that the check (XYZ, ok).[/QUOTE] I have no clue what you try to say. But my point still stands. Heuristical checks must not ban. [QUOTE=id_Nerk;45326594]I saw this shit in plugins for oxide, that's all.[/QUOTE] truly shit if this really bans solely based on movement speed. Especially if it's on Oxide servers where there can be so many mods that tamper with movement speeds or anything else. But whoever runs these plugins either knows what they get or they don't care. There's plenty more servers where admins just do some true hard detective work and rely on screenshots and videos to make sure they ban the right people.

[QUOTE=Gachl;45326606]I have no clue what you try to say. But my point still stands. Heuristical checks must not ban.[/QUOTE] okay, now i need go to sleep a little. lol

Woooo! Dumb voted by a moderator! Im gonna wright this down in my diary. Now ask me how many fucks i really give. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Off-topic, also spell properly" - Orkel))[/highlight]

The amount of white knighting and general "You cheated once so that makes you bad person and you wil always be cheater!!!!!1" gives me a view of the game worse than whatever hackers could conceivably conjure up, yes, server owners have a right to do what ever they want on their servers. But that doesn't mean i care about their opinion on whether everyone who hacks is a bad person, or quite frankly the half of the people in this thread who are acting like running around super fast in a game means you should be burnt at the stake. From my experience there are two types of hackers, script kiddies who break everything their wake, or the one chill guy who figures out how to get free/money/items/etc and instead of being a dick, hands it out to everybody and then goes on his way.

[QUOTE=TwistedTryce;45332919]Woooo! Dumb voted by a moderator! Im gonna wright this down in my diary. Now ask me how many fucks i really give. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Off-topic, also spell properly" - Orkel))[/highlight][/QUOTE] no one thinks your ideas are anything but dumb so really please don't act surprised [editline]8th July 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Gachl;45326570]I don't know what crappy anti-cheat you're referring to but this is certainly not how speed hack checks work. You can use more than 25m/sec by just jumping down a mountain. What you described is heuristical cheat detection, which can be kinda helpful but this is definitely not ban-worthy. I use heuristics from my stats (eg. violation codes, crate contents, learned blueprints) to try to identify potential hackers and then watch them carefully but if there's no guarantee, there's no ban.[/QUOTE] thats really the only smart way to manually deal with cheaters

[QUOTE=V10lator;45325388]So you claim that you never ever cheated?[/QUOTE]Correct. The fact that you need to extend the context to include things like pretending to throw a stick for a dog to fetch but not releasing it to try to prove your point tells me this is a conversation better left to people who aren't you.

[QUOTE=Skinnynaut;45315879]Factually incorrect, and identifies you as someone who continues to normalize hacking. [editline]7th July 2014[/editline] Yeah, and here's the problem with that, mate: What do you think someone who writes a sentence like that does when they stop enjoying it 'without hacks'?[/QUOTE] Welcome to PC gaming, kid. Hacking is life around here, in case you didn't notice. Rust has a bad case at the moment, but nobody is immune -- even big, triple-A games like Battlefield have their cheaters. And if that guy decides to hack on my server, I'll hope an admin deals with it and log off for a bit rather than wishing him eternal banning from everything always and forever. Remember -- this is a [I]game. [/I]Cheating in a game is shitty, yeah, but saying that you should never be allowed to play anything ever again without a mark of shame is retarded. It's not life or death. It's not risking serious economic or physical damage. It's just abusing your personal time. I'm not trying to defend hacking -- I am simply trying to put this shit in context. All of the people acting like this is the worst sin a human can commit need to use some critical thinking skills.

[QUOTE=Prov3rbial;45346037]I'm not trying to defend hacking -- I am simply trying to put this shit in context. All of the people acting like this is the worst sin a human can commit need to use some critical thinking skills.[/QUOTE] Reduction ad absurdum. No one is saying it's the worst thing ever. We just think they should be made to have some kind of mark. Perhaps as well as the VAC ban on their profile, they could have little yellow stars forced onto their character's clothes.

[QUOTE=withnail;45347567]Perhaps as well as the VAC ban on their profile, they could have little yellow stars forced onto their character's clothes.[/QUOTE] Wikipedia : The yellow badge (or yellow patch), also referred to as a Jewish badge (German: Judenstern, lit. Jews' star), was a cloth patch that Jews were ordered to sew on their outer garments to mark them as Jews in public at certain times in certain countries. It is intended to be a badge of shame associated with antisemitism.[1] [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_badge[/url] You're funny.

Does using a trainer for Diablo count as hacking? D1 that is way back when I could just use my mates CD with no issues.

[QUOTE=delushin;45353651]Does using a trainer for Diablo count as hacking? D1 that is way back when I could just use my mates CD with no issues.[/QUOTE] A trainer is a hacktool. so yes it's considered hacking. Especially if you use a outside too to gain a advantage you normally couldn't get in the game legit. Back on topic wise. Even though the guy had a +200 day since last vac ban.. seeing he has 2 prior's does tell us he's prone to possibly cheating again. Not that there is any proof he has, but time will tell when we see another thread pop up with his name. Cheater's cheat. I know I have a few times since my last Vac ban, but I would never do it online again. That old self of me stopped long time ago. Now I just use that vac banned account to rage at people. I know some of you know that account :P.

[QUOTE=Prov3rbial;45346037]saying that you should never be allowed to play anything ever again without a mark of shame is retarded. It's not life or death. It's not risking serious economic or physical damage. It's just abusing your personal time. I'm not trying to defend hacking -- I am simply trying to put this shit in context. All of the people acting like this is the worst sin a human can commit need to use some critical thinking skills.[/QUOTE]Critical thinking eh? Well, let's have a look at that. Firstly, if ruining other players' experience of the game isn't such a big deal, then what's the big deal if hackers get banned for life from all community servers? It's not life or death. It's not risking serious economic or physical damage. It's just removing people with poor moral convictions from an environment where they can destroy the pleasure others take in their leisure time. A VAC ban is all it is. Second, these are just forum posts. Some people have strong opinions. It's not life or death. It's not risking serious economic or physical damage. It's just the sharing of an opinion. It's not even remotely close to abusing other people's personal leisure time and at the end of the day these posts really are of little consequence. Those of us with things in their lives other than computer games are able to appreciate this perspective. At the end of the day I'm sticking with Valve. After all, they're not barely literate pseudo-adults spending half their online time on forums trying to insult people and childishly calling them names every second day. They're literate, actual adults trying the best they can to get as many hackers banned as they possibly can, and I can't thank them enough for that.

I'd rather have a prompt appear to everybody with a vac ban informing them they will be banned from all vac servers and blah blah if they get caught than automatically kick them. Then again, it's on admin's hands to decide this stuff. I mean, when you buy the game you should know servers follow a decentralized scheme where informing players and encouraging fair play is not required. There's no such thing as 'player rights' in Rust, 'freedom' comes first, whatever that means lol.

This isn't about cheating in Rust, it was a person who cheated in another game in the past and he was barred from a single specific server because the owner of it doesn't want to play with anyone who's been caught cheating. It's the owner's ball, and he gets to decide who plays with it. It's just that simple.

I don't see the point in arguing this topic in any way. A system is in place to allow admins to refuse anyone who is a known cheater in multiplayer games from having access to their server. No multiplayer game will EVER be 100% free from hackers and exploiters but its great that there are tools in place to at least help some people play an "honest" game. You may or may not have any intention of cheating in Rust but to be perfectly blunt once a cheater always a cheater and I wouldn't want you on my server regardless. Your a dishonest person and cannot be trusted to play honestly."I only cheat in X or Y games." is not a valid excuse.