Rust streamer caught with no recoil on his own stream - Rust

[QUOTE=No Quarter;45322993]Compares clicking on a screen to adjusting a pinpoint area. Not comparable. I suggest you read this: "Expected: the driver is alert and aware of the good possibility that braking will be necessary. This is the absolute best reaction time possible. The best estimate is 0.7 second. Of this, 0.5 is perception and 0.2 is movement, the time required to release the accelerator and to depress the brake pedal." This is actual reaction time to calculate adjusting in real world time, such as distance and speed.[/QUOTE] dunno how this turned into an argument of you spamming random facts at me. Also me just clicking on a screen is all i do in FPS games. Should I mention that I was in a battlefield server for about 45 minutes warming up pre-clip? That was also in the highlight (but ofc mr trausi removed that) Believe what you will, it won't affect me in either which way. Several people that don't even know me have already said in this thread it doesn't look like no recoil, because it isn't. Go checkout what no recoil actually is on youtube and compare it, it's that easy.

[QUOTE=Grimmybear;45323014]*facts, whatevs*[/QUOTE] Yeah, facts... who needs them?

[QUOTE=No Quarter;45323157]Yeah, facts... who needs them?[/QUOTE] The average time it takes someone to remove their foot from an accelerator and depress a brake pad is a lot different than hand eye coordination reaction time on a computer... what I am saying is what you posted is irrelevant.

I mean the sad part is that since grimmy's channel has been taken down, all I have to go with is OP's video, which is cherry picked so I do not have enough info to make a statement. Of course for everyone else, they are absolutely dug into an opinion that has been fed to them and are using the worst and condemning insults without evening thinking. EDIT: I mean if grimmy was VAC banned it would be a different story, but this is just witch hunting.

[QUOTE=Zelacks;45323168]I mean the sad part is that since grimmy's channel has been taken down, all I have to go with is OP's video, which is cherry picked so I do not have enough info to make a statement. Of course for everyone else, they are absolutely dug into an opinion that has been fed to them and are using the worst and condemning insults without evening thinking.[/QUOTE] I am hopeful the suspension is removed, and when it is I will post any proof that anyone requests.

[QUOTE=Grimmybear;45323167]The average time it takes someone to remove their foot from an accelerator and depress a brake pad is a lot different than hand eye coordination reaction time on a computer... what I am saying is what you posted is irrelevant.[/QUOTE] "Of this, [B][U]0.5 is perception[/U][/B]"

dude if my reaction time were 500ms I would literally smack my face on the pavement before putting my hands out. I already showed you my reaction time scores, and the website clearly states the average MS is around 200+

[QUOTE=Grimmybear;45323222]dude if my reaction time were 500ms I would literally smack my face on the pavement before putting my hands out. I already showed you my reaction time scores, and the website clearly states the average MS is around 200+[/QUOTE] That would fall under the category of instinct, not intentionally calculated movement. You do such things without consideration. You know you're going to fall. You don't know which way the reticule is going.

[QUOTE=No Quarter;45323249]That would fall under the category of instinct, not intentionally calculated movement. You do such things without consideration. You know you're going to fall. You don't know which way the reticule is going.[/QUOTE] I feel like you're just arguing semantics just for the sake of arguing. you can see my crosshair shift to the left and then back toward the middle. You can claim that this was intentionally done, however it was simply recoil control. Like I said if required I can post any kind of proof necessary, especially once my account suspension is removed because there are TONS of times in my highlights that I complain about my recoil or miss shots due to it.

I play FPS games since CS 1.4, and I not a pro, but I have enough experience to recognize a cheater. I agree with No Quarter, is humanity impossible to stabilize your aim AT SAME PIXEL! NO WAY! Mainly in a game where the FPS gameplay is worst, and isn't the focus. You have a VAC Ban and your profile is private, please, buy another game, change your nick and get a new identity without cheater. Don't cry anymore...

[QUOTE=GalegO;45323282]I play FPS games since CS 1.4, and I not a pro, but I have enough experience to recognize a cheater. I agree with No Quarter, is humanity impossible to stabilize your aim AT SAME PIXEL! NO WAY! Mainly in a game where the FPS gameplay is worst, and isn't the focus. You have a VAC Ban and your profile is private, please, buy another game, change your nick and get a new identity without cheater. Don't cry anymore...[/QUOTE] profile is public for you guys now. Vac ban is 1500+ days ago and explained. Crosshair doesn't stay at same pixel.. please use those eyeballs you have

[QUOTE=Grimmybear;45323258]blah[/QUOTE] I would call it being specific and highlighting the differences and faults in your comparisons and statements. You're welcome to prove your innocence, but one clip from another doesn't prove you weren't doing it in this specific instance. Get it? For all we know you could've gotten fed up with recoil, wanted to seem good, cheated for the views (people have done less for $) and simply stopped after you've gotten your channel back.

[QUOTE=No Quarter;45323315]I would call it being specific and highlighting the differences and faults in your comparisons and statements. You're welcome to prove your innocence, but one clip from another doesn't prove you weren't doing it in this specific instance. Get it? For all we know you could've gotten fed up with recoil, wanted to seem good, cheated for the views (people have done less for $) and simply stopped after you've gotten your channel back.[/QUOTE] I can prove I wasn't using no recoil in the same clip this footage was taken from without any breaks in the footage. About 2 minutes later I chased them outisde and had a firefight with one of them, my recoil was all over the place. Once my account suspension is removed I will post that here.

[QUOTE=Grimmybear;45323317]I can prove I wasn't using no recoil in the same clip this footage was taken from without any breaks in the footage. About 2 minutes later I chased them outisde and had a firefight with one of them, my recoil was all over the place. Once my account suspension is removed I will post that here.[/QUOTE] I wish you luck then.

[QUOTE=Grimmybear;45323300]profile is public for you guys now. Vac ban is 1500+ days ago and explained. Crosshair doesn't stay at same pixel.. please use those eyeballs you have[/QUOTE] I Don't need to use my eyeballs... I just put my mouse point in the center of screen and watched your fire... The aim stay AT SAME PIXEL, prove YOU that I'm wrong... Made yourself the test...

[QUOTE=GalegO;45323337]I Don't need to use my eyeballs... I just put my mouse point in the center of screen and watched your fire... The aim stay AT SAME PIXEL, prove YOU that I'm wrong... Made yourself the test...[/QUOTE] if you want an easy way to tell, pause the video when it's on its slow motion point on the first guy. skip through it like a slide show while it's paused and you will see tiny variations in where my crosshair was hitting, first near his back, second near his chest and third in the middle of his body. Spraying an m4 in a 4-5 bullet burst in almost point blank range will have almost no recoil even if you make no effort to control it.

[QUOTE=Grimmybear;45323346]skip through it like a slide show while it's paused and you will see tiny variations in where my crosshair was hitting, first near his back, second near his chest and third in the middle of his body.[/QUOTE] Personally I stated the screen does move just a few pixels, but always seems to kick right back as the next bullet comes out. Every time. Just 2 shots would've put your aim off either enemy, but it never quite does, it always seems to rebound like a rubber band right back to where it was before nearly instantaneously. The vibration means nothing if it's auto-correcting. I've never seen that with any other legit streamers or personally on an M4. Always there's a moment of correction and a pause in the firing unless it's close quarters. Highly suspect.

alright guys, I obviously am at a disadvantage here being that I can't access my twitch account. If I could this would be over instantly because it's damn obvious I don't cheat. [url]http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x211tuc_obviously-recoil_videogames[/url] Ok, check the video. Clearly there is recoil, obviously it's not a ton because the dude was so close to me. Also my crosshair did not rubber band anywhere in the clip as you can clearly see. This is the best I can do until I receive my twitch account back.

This guy looks legit for me, he just controls recoil.

[QUOTE=Grimmybear;45323659][url]http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x211tuc_obviously-recoil_videogames[/url][/QUOTE] controlled fire. to comment quickly on the whole 500ms perception/interpretation, that's reasonably correct, but differs between people based on training, adrenaline and muscle memory. it's also visibly present in the clip. the reticule and hitmarkers move up and left for almost an entire second before being compensated for, and the compensation slightly overshoots centre. my opinion yes, but then that's all any of us are providing.

[QUOTE=Grimmybear;45323659]alright guys, I obviously am at a disadvantage here being that I can't access my twitch account. If I could this would be over instantly because it's damn obvious I don't cheat. [url]http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x211tuc_obviously-recoil_videogames[/url] Ok, check the video. Clearly there is recoil, obviously it's not a ton because the dude was so close to me. Also my crosshair did not rubber band anywhere in the clip as you can clearly see. This is the best I can do until I receive my twitch account back.[/QUOTE] I wouldn't say they rubber banded, more so that the small amount of movement was made by unintentional hand movements, your gun was still lacking any physical recoil though. You were caught red handed dude, it's time to move on.

[QUOTE=Zipper Bear;45324285]I wouldn't say they rubber banded, more so that the small amount of movement was made by unintentional hand movements, your gun was still lacking any physical recoil though. You were caught red handed dude, it's time to move on.[/QUOTE] there is very obvious recoil in the video I posted, I am sorry you aren't able to see it. It's quite clear that I have recoil, you can even watch the window of the gun and see it moves quite a bit. I suggest you go to youtube and look at what no recoil actually looks like. Just waiting on my twitch now and I can post the entire highlight and completely clear any suspicion. also quick edit, lol'd at you assuming that my movement is unintentional movement because I'm bad or something. I control my crosshair well because I'm a seasoned FPS player.

[QUOTE=Grimmybear;45323659]Ok, check the video. Clearly there is recoil, obviously it's not a ton because the dude was so close to me. Also my crosshair did not rubber band anywhere in the clip as you can clearly see. This is the best I can do until I receive my twitch account back.[/QUOTE] I'm more concerned with the second guy you shot, who was a good number of yards away, down the hill. It was 3 consecutive hits right on top of him. First guy was what I'd consider close quarters, which is what I stated before. Also, every frame you show was your own body moving, sliding up and to the left, evenly across the ramp.

I think he's legit

[QUOTE=No Quarter;45324485]I'm more concerned with the second guy you shot, who was a good number of yards away, down the hill. It was 3 consecutive hits right on top of him. First guy was what I'd consider close quarters, which is what I stated before. Also, every frame you show was your own body moving, sliding up and to the left, evenly across the ramp.[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure I only hit the second guy once actually if you look closely. It's definitely not three hits, I either missed him or hit the window/bars while hitting him I believe once (could be twice in the same spot) There is absolutely recoil in that as well, and it's more obvious than the first guy. It recoils up and to the right hardly and even hits the window bar, it was quite poor recoil control comparatively.

[QUOTE=Grimmybear;45324505]I'm pretty sure I only hit the second guy once actually if you look closely. It's definitely not three hits, I either missed him or hit the window/bars while hitting him I believe once (could be twice in the same spot) There is absolutely recoil in that as well, and it's more obvious than the first guy. It recoils up and to the right hardly and even hits the window bar, it was quite poor recoil control comparatively.[/QUOTE] You most certainly shot the window before and after the 3 straight shots to the enemy because you were in motion with your character.

[QUOTE=No Quarter;45324530]You most certainly shot the window before and after the 3 straight shots to the enemy because you were in motion with your character.[/QUOTE] He was hit once, I just checked again. Look how long the hitmarker lasts, and listen to the sound of the clip. I also returned and body/headshot that guy after the clip ends, so he was not hit 3 times

I can't believe people care this much about how someone aims to try and argue this long that he's using some sort of cheat.

[QUOTE=Snickerdoodle;45324605]I can't believe people care this much about how someone aims to try and argue this long that he's using some sort of cheat.[/QUOTE] I remember few months ago some people made a topic saying bichillz was hacking and they could prove based on his video. A few weeks later a topic about trausi was made. This is for me as idiotic as trying to prove someone is hacking because they googled his nickname and found a familiar name on a suspicious website. What do you honestly guys honestly think it will happen here ? a valve employee will check this topic and reply ? just... lord.. This forum really need a cleaning process and better organization. it lacks good content and real information. Every day the page one is only about youtube channels, people posting wall of texts saying x player is hacker or someone just complaining/asking "why no patch garry u sux " " omg bug game broken !"

well you can edit recoil hax to make it move a little so you can contest it as you are doing right now