Rust streamer caught with no recoil on his own stream - Rust

[QUOTE=JiggyJinjo;45325493]well you can edit recoil hax to make it move a little so you can contest it as you are doing right now[/QUOTE] well yeah, of course they can; the want it to be as subtle as possible for this very reason:) but can you guys prove he [B]was[/B] hacking? because its equally impossible to prove either way; we are just giving opinions based on a tiny, edited clip. let's not act like we are talking facts here.

Given the VAC ban, I don't believe for a second that the OP didn't cheat. I've handled recoil before and have been playing FPS since I was little. Rust's recoil is random in direction and strength. Streamer landed consistent hits without any noticeable screen moving, aside from aim. Also streamer dude, stop saying "you are entitled to your own opinion" without having proof to back up that it is just that, an opinion.

I believe in innocence until proven guilty - unless someone has tangible evidence that he was hacking, then they need to shut the hell up. If he truly was cheating, then he will get busted eventually by Valve, and you can all have a jolly good laugh about it. But until then, this is essentially blatant harassment and you guys need to chill out on your witchhunt.

Not trying to spam my vids, so won't embed. But here is my M4 vs yours. Compare the recoil and judge yourself. [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xW9JpGCpJg[/url] Slow mo'ing it @ 1:10 Sometimes the M4 can give very little recoil... but hardly ever. Hence why I use shottys.

[QUOTE=Leon Garoux;45326307]I believe in innocence until proven guilty - unless someone has tangible evidence that he was hacking, then they need to shut the hell up. If he truly was cheating, then he will get busted eventually by Valve, and you can all have a jolly good laugh about it. But until then, this is essentially blatant harassment and you guys need to chill out on your witchhunt.[/QUOTE] Normally I would agree with you, but we have real, tangible, visible evidence. This changes the situation.

[QUOTE=OtherDalfite;45326597]Normally I would agree with you, but we have real, tangible, visible evidence. This changes the situation.[/QUOTE] Where? I see a few people, including the streamer under fire, pulling random numbers out of their ass. Unless someone is actually able to prove he was using hacks, then people need to stop acting like their opinions are facts. Like I said: if he was legitimately hacking, then he will get what he deserves. But in the meantime, this is, in Layman's Terms, harassment.

Can we stop these cheater witch hunts on the forums? Innocent people are now getting thrown under the bus for being actually skilled and EAC/VAC do not operate based on third party reports. The evidence mounted against Grimmybear is fuzzy at best.

[QUOTE=Protocol7;45326816]Can we stop these cheater witch hunts on the forums? Innocent people are now getting thrown under the bus for being actually skilled and EAC/VAC do not operate based on third party reports. The evidence mounted against Grimmybear is fuzzy at best.[/QUOTE] Well, its not like "cheater witch hunt", I posted video not to ask for opinions or anything, because he was blantant no-recoiling almost about half his highlight(i just made short video coz i was bored lol), and every experienced player (Rust+fps background) can see it. I posted it because he might go back to Rust streaming on other nick and this game is so dead because of cheaters/glitchers so if ppl need to knows he was one of them (so they can know they support cheaters by watching him) . Its not like "QQ post" ( oh i got killed i will post video from my pov and i will call someone cheater), he actually was promoting cheating by playing with no-recoil on his own stream so i just had to post it so everyone can know. [I know my english is not that good but i hope u can understand what i wrote :P]

[QUOTE=trausi;45326972]*cropped out the irrelevent stuff* Its not like "cheater witch hunt"... I posted video because he was blantant no-recoiling almost whole his highlight and every experienced player can see it... This game is so dead because of cheaters/glitchers so ppl need to know he was one of them... So i just had to post it so everyone can know...[/QUOTE] How exactly is that not a "Witch Hunt"? You have outright accused him of hacking based on what you saw in a video clip. On top of this, I'm getting pretty tired at this "any experienced FPS gamer can see he is hacking" crap. I've been playing FPS long before CS moved to Steam, and I see controlled recoil, not hacks. And I've been around long enough to know that without facts, this crap is all opinions and nothing else.

you can cancel recoil out simply by looking down, and no recoil can't get you vac banned, it's just a shitty thing to do [editline]8th July 2014[/editline] great job trying to hunt cheaters down to the point of being psychotic conspiracy nuts about it good job

I can't say that I know for a fact if Grimmybear was cheating or not, but it's goddamn ridiculous that instead of going "wow this guy is good" people immediately think he's cheating. Innocent until proven guilty, people.

[QUOTE=Protocol7;45327233]I can't say that I know for a fact if Grimmybear was cheating or not, but it's goddamn ridiculous that instead of going "wow this guy is good" people immediately think he's cheating.[/QUOTE] it's not surprising either even before the days of CS1 people assumed skill = hacking

Trausi accused a friend of mine of hacking, he still has to upload a video on his youtube channel. Trausi himself is a really good player, but if someone else is playing like he does, he immediately accuses them of hacking. That's what I hate.

[QUOTE=Arkadan;45327305]Trausi accused a friend of mine of hacking, he still has to upload a video on his youtube channel. Trausi himself is a really good player, but if someone else is playing like he does, he immediately accuses them of hacking. That's what I hate.[/QUOTE] What was his nickname? And i always upload video in private mode for admins if im saying i will do it, so pls cut your bullshit @topic Im making other video i will show you how looks "controlled" recoil with m4 (from his highlight) and the time he used no recoil.

I think he is [U]NOT[/U] hacking to be honest. I love the M4 in this game. I always burstfire, but with close encounters like this video It's just easy to drag down your mouse to control the spray. Saying that, the M4 at shortrange + dragging down mouse a bit makes 6-7 bullets go straight ahead. I also manage do do that. Therefore, I think he is not cheating. He just knows how to play. But that's my opinion. Flame me if you want to.

His nickname was Sakramentos, and you teamed up with Altaaah and some other dude. We got in a gunfight, we killed a little bit, you killed a little bit. You won the battle at last. Then you and Altaaah started trashtalking. Sakramentos got banned at the server right after you guys accused him. Normally I don't give 2 f*cks about getting banned, but you sir are a real d*ckhead.

[QUOTE=Arkadan;45327604]His nickname was Sakramentos, and you teamed up with Altaaah and some other dude. We got in a gunfight, we killed a little bit, you killed a little bit. You won the battle at last. Then you and Altaaah started trashtalking. Sakramentos got banned at the server right after you guys accused him. Normally I don't give 2 f*cks about getting banned, but you sir are a real d*ckhead.[/QUOTE] Oh yeah i remember him and u know what, i meet a guy who played with him and send me his other account which was vac banned (59 days ago) and his new account is created(57 days ago) soo good try my friend , keep again and lets end this offtopic here.

So, once a cheater always a cheater? Grimmybear had a vac ban of nearly 1600 days, is that why you accuse him of hacking? You promised me a video, I want it. I want real proof, not some shady 'someone' who supposedly played with him and sent you his 'other' profile. The reason I'm telling it here is because I can't send you private messages, you need to activate it. You are a good player, but sometimes a real asshole. Like in that video of where you kill bambis with your rock. And I'm not your friend.

Get exposed Grimmybear jesus christ HAHAHA

100% cheating, put your mouse in the holo sight dot. its not moving at all, not left not right, not up or down wtf.

this thread is hilarious, really. I already debunked your video, showing there was recoil in your "no recoil" video. I will post a shit ton of evidence from the same clip that you neglected to post any of the obvious recoil in once my twitch suspension is removed as well. This whole thread happened literally because of people getting butthurt over dying in rust, get over it man :/

Ah give it a break already. It's been 3 pages of nonsense.

Looks like no recoil, but it's difficult to make any definitive conclusions based on 5 seconds of combat. Dude could be cheating, or dude could have just had a lucky few seconds. In other FPSes (not so much Rust, since I loathe the combat mechanics in Rust), I've had moments, spurts or even whole matches where I just slipped into the zone and managed to pull off some crazy stuff - I've thought to myself that if someone was watching a replay or stream of it, they would swear I was hacking. Now if I could just figure out how to do it more often...

[QUOTE=Mavajo;45329303]Looks like no recoil, but it's difficult to make any definitive conclusions based on 5 seconds of combat. Dude could be cheating, or dude could have just had a lucky few seconds. In other FPSes (not so much Rust, since I loathe the combat mechanics in Rust), I've had moments, spurts or even whole matches where I just slipped into the zone and managed to pull off some crazy stuff - I've thought to myself that if someone was watching a replay or stream of it, they would swear I was hacking. Now if I could just figure out how to do it more often...[/QUOTE] It wasnt lucky ,he had like two or more "sprays" like that in his highlight and rest shooting he tried control his recoil in legit way and it was so bad lol. @Grimmybear You recorded video with talking some no-sens bullshit, good job man, only unexperienced players will be "oh he is right" so good try dude, u used no recoil cheat and u was enabling/disabling it so it was more hard to catch you but you failed, get over it already.

[QUOTE=trausi;45329478]It wasnt lucky ,he had like two or more "sprays" like that in his highlight and rest shooting he tried control his recoil in legit way and it was so bad lol. @Grimmybear You recorded video with talking some no-sens bullshit, good job man, only unexperienced players will be "oh he is right" so good try dude, u used no recoil cheat and u was enabling/disabling it so it was more hard to catch you but you failed, get over it already.[/QUOTE] LOL. this is definitely becoming a witch hunt. You are now claiming I was enabling and disabling no recoil during my highlight, which you can't prove in any way. If you had posted the rest of the video instead of picking 5 seconds of point blank recoil control, you could easily see I have recoil. Grow up buddy.

[QUOTE=Grimmybear;45329506]LOL. this is definitely becoming a witch hunt. You are now claiming I was enabling and disabling no recoil during my highlight, which you can't prove in any way. If you had posted the rest of the video instead of picking 5 seconds of point blank recoil control, you could easily see I have recoil. Grow up buddy.[/QUOTE] Lol, you should grow up and you should try play games without cheats :D You are just dumb. And yeah i can easily see you got recoil when you disable no recoil cheat, but i can easily see you was spraying with no recoil couple of times in highlight, and every good player i know agreed with me so you can talk your bullshit as much you want lol. And as player who " have over 2100 hours of CS:GO logged and I played much more counter-strike 1.5 to 1.6 than I did CS:GO" you should known cheats have many options to enable/disable things so if u will post other moments from video where u have actually recoil proves nothing LOL

[QUOTE=trausi;45329478]It wasnt lucky ,he had like two or more "sprays" like that in his highlight and rest shooting he tried control his recoil in legit way and it was so bad lol. @Grimmybear You recorded video with talking some no-sens bullshit, good job man, only unexperienced players will be "oh he is right" so good try dude, u used no recoil cheat and u was enabling/disabling it so it was more hard to catch you but you failed, get over it already.[/QUOTE] what the hell do you think is going to happen? lmao he's going to move on and nothing, that's what.

[QUOTE=trausi;45329799]Lol, you should grow up and you should try play games without cheats :D You are just dumb. And yeah i can easily see you got recoil when you disable no recoil cheat, but i can easily see you was spraying with no recoil couple of times in highlight, and every good player i know agreed with me so you can talk your bullshit as much you want lol. And as player who " have over 2100 hours of CS:GO logged and I played much more counter-strike 1.5 to 1.6 than I did CS:GO" you should known cheats have many options to enable/disable things so if u will post other moments from video where u have actually recoil proves nothing LOL[/QUOTE] I'm not saying you can't enable or disable cheats.. I'm saying you are claiming I did this without any proof at all. You could call out any player in the game and try to make anyone believe they cheat with this kind of logic. The fact is, your buddy lost a 1v2 and cried cheats. I could care less what you think, the only reason I'm even here is because this whole fiasco of bullshit is possibly the reason my twitch channel is suspended. I didn't cheat in any respect, and several people can see that for themselves. The ignorant people stuck in a loop, that doesn't matter to me. I did my best with what I have currently and when I get the suspension removed I can post absolute proof that will show how poor your "hack detection skills" really are.

[QUOTE=J!NX;45329829]what the hell do you think is going to happen? lmao he's going to move on and nothing, that's what.[/QUOTE] I dont get you, he can move on, i dont give a shit, i just wanted show ppl this kid is cheating and if he gets somehow unbanned from twitch(i will make more videos showing how normal controlled recoil looks like)/make new account they can know that he was cheating in a past. [QUOTE=Grimmybear;45329851]I'm not saying you can't enable or disable cheats.. I'm saying you are claiming I did this without any proof at all. You could call out any player in the game and try to make anyone believe they cheat with this kind of logic. The fact is, your buddy lost a 1v2 and cried cheats. I couldn't care less what you think, the only reason I'm even here is because this whole fiasco of bullshit is possibly the reason my twitch channel is suspended. I didn't cheat in any respect, and several people can see that for themselves. The ignorant people stuck in a loop, that doesn't matter to me. I did my best with what I have currently and when I get the suspension removed I can post absolute proof that will show how poor your "hack detection skills" really are.[/QUOTE] "The fact is, your buddy lost a 1v2 and cried cheats." ????????????????????????????? I was sitting on random twitch channel and guy Sprne(known cheater who got like 10 accounts and vac ban on his main account) was talking about you using no recoil at your highlight so i checked it and he was right, and i dont wanna anyone to stream his cheats LOL and it was only reason i made video, idk what are you talking about. Good try to show me as "qq kid" :DDD

[QUOTE=trausi;45329908]I dont get you, he can move on, i dont give a shit, i just wanted show ppl this kid is cheating and if he gets somehow unbanned from twitch(i will make more videos showing how normal controlled recoil looks like)/make new account they can know that he was cheating in a past. "The fact is, your buddy lost a 1v2 and cried cheats." ????????????????????????????? I was sitting on random twitch channel and guy Sprne(known cheater who got like 10 accounts and vac ban on his main account) was talking about you using no recoil at your highlight so i checked it and he was right, and i dont wanna anyone to stream his cheats LOL and it was only reason i made video, idk what are you talking about. Good try to show me as "qq kid" :DDD[/QUOTE] my apologies then, I figured you were watching bchillzz stream when we had a duel. It's very obvious I had recoil, even in the no recoil video you posted. Also several times on stream I had done "recoil checks" because I had a different viewer ask how I controlled it so well. You obviously ignored all of this and went for a very biased clip and only showed a small portion of it. If you actually want to prove something, show the entire clip without bias and let everyone decide for themselves. Like I said, people watched me every day and it is very easy to tell I don't cheat. I don't have much more to say to you about it as your logic is extremely flawed and can be used to incriminate anyone who's done nothing wrong.