Rust streamer caught with no recoil on his own stream - Rust

oh MY GOD WHO CARES he either cheated or he didn't does it really effect your life that much that you've spent 120 posts arguing that he's a cheater

This is the recoil I have (and I suck), and as you see, "this" is recoil, compared to the first video.. [url]http://www.twitch.tv/mailly90/b/545957385[/url]

[QUOTE=LordCrypto;45339035]oh MY GOD WHO CARES he either cheated or he didn't does it really effect your life that much that you've spent 120 posts arguing that he's a cheater[/QUOTE] Does it effect your life that you need to respond to them? Before you use the same logic on me, yes it does, it effects me deeply... :dance:

dude's reticle barely moves at all. I can understand why people are suspicious.

I've got no skin in this game, but it's been interesting reading the thread. However... I've seen a few posts that talk about placing their cursor on the red dot and that it doesn't move the entire time he is shooting... It's not supposed to. The red dot stays at the center of the window and the scene moves behind it when you shoot. If it appears to move when you are playing, it's just an optical illusion that makes it look like it is moving. In reality, the scene moves behind the red dot, and the red dot stays in same physical pixel location on your screen. Try it and you'll see what I'm talking about. Just place the tip of a pencil at the red dot and then spray with your mouse. The red dot won't move and the scene will move all around behind it. So if anyone is basing anything off the fact that the red dot stays at the same pixel, that is a faulty argument. ... Anyway, just thought I'd throw that out there.

[QUOTE=_stonecutter_;45344130]I've got no skin in this game, but it's been interesting reading the thread. However... I've seen a few posts that talk about placing their cursor on the red dot and that it doesn't move the entire time he is shooting... It's not supposed to. The red dot stays at the center of the window and the scene moves behind it when you shoot. If it appears to move when you are playing, it's just an optical illusion that makes it look like it is moving. In reality, the scene moves behind the red dot, and the red dot stays in same physical pixel location on your screen. Try it and you'll see what I'm talking about. Just place the tip of a pencil at the red dot and then spray with your mouse. The red dot won't move and the scene will move all around behind it. So if anyone is basing anything off the fact that the red dot stays at the same pixel, that is a faulty argument. ... Anyway, just thought I'd throw that out there.[/QUOTE] This is indeed correct in terms of the p250 and M4 (which the video in question used) however keep in mind for future use that this does not apply to all weapons in the legacy version. A lot of them have horizontal sway which when combined with horizontal recoil makes things extremely difficult to consistently predict.

[QUOTE=Yams;45321035]It's not that hard to drag your mouse down as you're spraying. If anything it's no spread considering the reticle didn't shift left or right.[/QUOTE] i didnt see any shoulder movements though and the previous vac ban might lead one to believe

[QUOTE=Fenrisulven;45339358]This is the recoil I have (and I suck), and as you see, "this" is recoil, compared to the first video.. [url]http://www.twitch.tv/mailly90/b/545957385[/url][/QUOTE] you also aren't aiming down

LOL at all the sycophantic sock puppet accounts.

Just slow the video down to .25 speed and watch the slow motion clip. Its no recoil. The guns in this game don't just have vertical recoil. There is a random horizontal movement in each gun. There will always be horizontal movement that you wont be able to account for. Can you control the recoil by pulling down on your mouse? Sure. However, being able to adjust to those random horizontal movements like in the video above is impossible. Also, you can't say ,"I have 'x-amount' of CS experience so I can control sprays". CS spray patters can be memorized, rust spray patterns can't.

Usually never post. New to pc gaming even. Minor CS background. If you look at my steam profile I have about 200 hrs logged on Rust. Not very long. But I've managed to control my recoil that well before. Doesn't look like cheating to me.

[video=youtube;k2Adowk8MQ8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2Adowk8MQ8&index=1&list=UUpFRegF_jJrI_JgAgXowy_w[/video] Not trying to brag, but recoil in RUST looks like this, no matter how good you are at maintaining it, it will still jump from time to time. So to anyone who still believes this guy is legit, man, I don't even know what to say. Best regards tho.

[QUOTE=No Quarter;45345782]LOL at all the sycophantic sock puppet accounts.[/QUOTE] I don't know whether I should laugh at or be saddened by your "everyone thinks I'm wrong it must be the same person" statement there, bud.

Let's clear up the two things that seem to be the bigger points of discussion in this threat... 1. Anyone with a good few hundred hours in rust and a good pair of eyes will be able to see the difference between Grimmybear's no recoil and the normal recoil that comes when even the best people in rust shoot an M4 (Feinter being a great example, him being one of the very best especially at M4). It's hardly a matter of opinion to someone who actually knows what he's talking about. Since there's a ton of people who DON'T know what they're talking about including Grimmybear when it comes to specifically Rust that will keep throwing faulty arguments I'll stop ranting on it now. 2. Why do we care so much? Very easy answer, Rust is being ruined by hackers which has established a disgust of any cheater in the Rust community. A cheater in Rust that streams while cheating, denies it and has his fanbase believing him in addition to him getting paid for doing it leaves a very very bad taste in anyone's mouth that's passionate about Rust or gaming in general. TLDR: Rust community is FED UP with hackers and the fact that he earns money with it is more than disgusting. Please leave out irrelevant facts like his 5 year old VAC ban, his amazing personality on stream or his previous experiences in FPS or even competitive FPS. The latter is irrelevant due to the fact that recoil patterns in Rust aren't even similar to those in other FPS games and if you don't understand why I don't even understand what you're doing participating in this discussion. Hope the VAC ban arrives soon so Grimmybear has something new to worry about; let's see what excuse he comes up with then.

[QUOTE=gk99;45362881]I don't know whether I should laugh at or be saddened by your "everyone thinks I'm wrong it must be the same person" statement there, bud.[/QUOTE] You realize quite a number of the users commenting on this thread registered just to post on this thread and flag dumb on others (not just myself), blindly supporting Grimmybear, right? Someone with such a history on these forums I'd assume you'd be aware of this common tactic. Pretty naive. If you've seen any of my past comments, I don't give a fuck what you or others think. It's not personal. I just wanted to point out how dumb your post was.

no lie when i saw this thread title on the main page i thought it was going to be rust streamer caught jacking off

I don't care how long you've been playing fps games for, that aim is impossible. [editline]12th July 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=J!NX;45329982][video=youtube;Iz83G11smSE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iz83G11smSE[/video][/QUOTE] Sorry to tell you but, I saw the video and Grimmybear had to horizontal recoil.

[video=dailymotion;x21bwii]http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x21bwii_showing-my-spray_videogames[/video] Ok so I hope this helps, apparently twitch appeals can take upward of two weeks so I'm just waiting it out and made this video as it was requested. Will post all footage of highlight once twitch account is back up.

[QUOTE=Feinter;45362787][video=youtube;k2Adowk8MQ8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2Adowk8MQ8&index=1&list=UUpFRegF_jJrI_JgAgXowy_w[/video] Not trying to brag, but recoil in RUST looks like this, no matter how good you are at maintaining it, it will still jump from time to time. So to anyone who still believes this guy is legit, man, I don't even know what to say. Best regards tho.[/QUOTE] Holy crap. Pro.

[QUOTE=Feinter;45362787]no matter how good you are at maintaining it, it will still jump from time to time.[/QUOTE] i don't think that's being denied by anyone here. but Feinter, most of your kills are at far greater ranges than the ones in the OPs video, and you are moving across uneven terrain, not along the flats of a ramp inside a house. the same degree of random movement has a more visible effect when the target is "smaller". also, there are portions of this vid that could be misrepresented the same way as the OP's vid, where you have controlled the recoil so well it's debatable if its legitimate. regardless, he will either be VAC banned, or be able to provide the entire clip to try and convince us all. doubt it matters, most people here have made their minds up based on a tiny clip...and nothing is likely to change their opinions. [QUOTE=Falxhor;45363032]Anyone with a good few hundred hours in rust and a good pair of eyes will be able to see the difference between Grimmybear's no recoil and the normal recoil that comes when even the best people in rust shoot an M4 (Feinter being a great example, him being one of the very best especially at M4). It's hardly a matter of opinion to someone who actually knows what he's talking about.[/QUOTE] this repeated argument (that practically everyone for the "affirmative" is using) is irritating the crap out of me, and it boils down to this arrogant belief that [B]"if you don't agree with me, its because you don't know what you are talking about."[/B] the number of accusations made far outweigh the number of proven cheaters...which is saying something because rust IS full of hackers. personally i disagree with you, but i wont disparage your opinion by saying that "you just don't know what you are talking about"...what an asshole move THAT would be.

@mrknifey If you think the amount of recoil depends on the range that you shoot someone at you just prove my point that you don't know what the hell you're talking about. "if you don't agree with me, it's because you dont know what you are talking about". Why is this as you call it "arrogant belief" true? I fucking explained why the sentence before that but you only quoted the part after it. Compare videos and you will see the difference. If you don't, there's something wrong with your eyes or knowledge of FPS/recoil and usually it's the latter aka "you don't know what you're talking about". Edit: On another note; there's 3 groups in this thread. People that haven't played rust long enough to see that this is obvious hacking, people that HAVE and Grimmybear fanboys that will just deny hacks no matter what. It's always a lot easier to throw around faulty arguments and dumb excuses of why something like no recoil hacks might be non-existant in a certain video; these are usually made by group 1. Then there's arguments that make 0 fucking sense and are irrelevant to the situation like trying to explain Grimmy's 5 year old VAC ban, say people are jealous of Grimmy, etc. etc. which are usually made by group 3. Then there's the players that played rust long enough to see that this is without any doubt blatant no recoiling, group 2. We only have one argument and we have the only argument that counts; the video, the proof. The video is PROOF that he used no recoil and if you can't make that observation than that's your own problem. Anyone that knows this game well will agree that the video is proof of cheating. It's like looking at a video of a curtain and arguing whether it's yellow or purple but anyone that has good enough eyesight and a knowledge of colors will know that's it's yellow because it's fucking yellow.

I tried to avoid commenting on this thread but meh there you go ... Some people are saying : "look , in another video he has recoil" , it doesn't matter what he has in another video ,no-recoil can be toggled on and off and usually it's from a macro -> not gonna get VAC banned ,that's why some also say "we will see if he gets VAC banned" , he won't unless he used some hacks ,if he was smart and used only a macro then he will remain with that only VAC ban that he has. FPS experience in a game such as CS doesn't matter when you play Rust that has an aim down sights button and a totally different recoil , the only advantage that u get from cs would be faster reactions and better focus but recoil control is extremely different in each game .

[QUOTE=Falxhor;45366343]@mrknifey If you think the amount of recoil depends on the range that you shoot someone at you just prove my point that you don't know what the hell you're talking about. "if you don't agree with me, it's because you don't know what you are talking about". Why is this as you call it "arrogant belief" true? I fucking explained why the sentence before that but you only quoted the part after it. Compare videos and you will see the difference. If you don't, there's something wrong with your eyes or knowledge of FPS/recoil and usually it's the latter aka "you don't know what you're talking about".[/QUOTE] i'm not going to waste everybody's time quoting everything you say, just the relevant sentences that i am addressing. if they are interested, they will read your post. firstly, i apologise, as perhaps i didn't explain myself clearly. i'm not saying that recoil distance changes based on distance of the target. i am saying the [B]effects[/B] of recoil increase with distance. a single degree deviation has little effect on a bearing over for example, 1 metre, but is compounded when that 1 degree is maintained over greater distances. in other words, if a player is nice and close, the recoil remains within the target area; at moderate distances it is enough to cause you to miss. however, i stand by the other part. your blanket defense of "if you disagree with me its just because you don't know anything" proves nothing. not that this is hacking, not that your opinion is any more valid than my own. i agree with your categories...with a few minor changes. there are 1) people who haven't played rust long enough to know hacking when they see it. 2) people who have, and 3) fanboys for either side who are incapable of distinguishing intrinsic fact from opinion. if you can prove to me that he is hacking with empirical evidence not just "i can see it", i will turn on a dime and (to quote tim minchin) "take a compass and carve Fancy That on the side of my cock." otherwise, i'll believe what i can see, not what you tell me to see.

This is not cheating.. for fucks sake.. anyone can control the spray when you're looking down... not hard.

I posted a video showing better recoil control than the "no recoil" vid while showing everything running on my PC and playing on a server that runs scripts that auto-ban for using no recoil. Are you seriously still saying that my spray wasn't humanly possible? It's RIGHT HERE. [url]http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x21bwii[/url]

That video you did like a 5 bullet spray correct? In the video posted of you one of your sprays do around 10-12 bullets, so might wanna add a bigger spray in.

[QUOTE=TheStevieJ;45370313]That video you did like a 5 bullet spray correct? In the video posted of you one of your sprays do around 10-12 bullets, so might wanna add a bigger spray in.[/QUOTE] count the spray in the video. The first spray is five bullets. The second spray.. I only hit the guy once and was a fail spray. (7-8 bullets I think)

[QUOTE=Grimmybear;45370327]count the spray in the video. The first spray is five bullets. The second spray.. I only hit the guy once and was a fail spray. (7-8 bullets I think)[/QUOTE] you're cheating

[QUOTE=Grimmybear;45369560]I posted a video showing better recoil control than the "no recoil" vid while showing everything running on my PC and playing on a server that runs scripts that auto-ban for using no recoil. Are you seriously still saying that my spray wasn't humanly possible? It's RIGHT HERE. [URL]http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x21bwii[/URL][/QUOTE] I don't understand why you bothered using cheats, especially during your stream. There's no way to control horizontal recoil, because it's random (in direction and amount). You can clearly control your vertical, as shown in that video, but in the twitch highlight there was absolutely none horizontally.

[QUOTE=ZestyLemons;45372889]I don't understand why you bothered using cheats, especially during your stream. There's no way to control horizontal recoil, because it's random (in direction and amount). You can clearly control your vertical, as shown in that video, but in the twitch highlight there was absolutely none horizontally.[/QUOTE] There is negligible horizontal recoil in either recording because of the distance of the spray. There is less horizontal recoil in the recent video I posted than in the video in question. You can test this exact spray yourself. I actually loved streaming and would never cheat on stream.