Rust streamer caught with no recoil on his own stream - Rust

[QUOTE=Grimmybear;45372953]There is negligible horizontal recoil in either recording because of the distance of the spray. There is less horizontal recoil in the recent video I posted than in the video in question. You can test this exact spray yourself. I actually loved streaming and would never cheat on stream.[/QUOTE] You will always get the same amount of horizontal recoil burst sway regardless of distance. Yes, you fired at people somewhat close range however that isn't the issue most of the vets are pointing out. What perplexes us is how can someone control their horizontal recoil to the point that the camera doesn't even move left or right on an eleven round burst.

[QUOTE=MrScratch;45373111]You will always get the same amount of horizontal recoil burst sway regardless of distance. Yes, you fired at people somewhat close range however that isn't the issue most of the vets are pointing out. What perplexes us is how can someone control their horizontal recoil to the point that the camera doesn't even move left or right on an eleven round burst.[/QUOTE] I'm not sure what you mean by the camera moving. If you can elaborate I can try and clear that up. I can reproduce anything shown in the "no recoil" video that is requested while showing processes/console/and on an anti-cheat server.

[QUOTE=Grimmybear;45373166]I'm not sure what you mean by the camera moving. If you can elaborate I can try and clear that up. I can reproduce anything shown in the "no recoil" video that is requested while showing processes/console/and on an anti-cheat server.[/QUOTE] When you fire your gun it has a random number generation chance that decides how far left or how far right your screen will jump as well as jumping upward. It's like counter strikes hidden recoil patterns except it isn't hidden and is random. Edit: In very short bursts it's possible to get a chain of shots that do not register much left or right movement. An eleven round burst is the complete opposite of a short burst, it's over 1/3 of your magazine.

[QUOTE=MrScratch;45373231]When you fire your gun it will jump upwards and it has a random number generation chance that decides how far left or how far right your screen will jump as well as jumping upward. It's like counter strikes hidden recoil patterns except it isn't hidden and is random.[/QUOTE] Ok, if there's something that needs to be cleared up still, I can make a video of it. As for the horizontal jump, you can see a left jump on the clip submitted by trausi, and on the one I submitted recently there is almost NO horizontal jump anywhere. It is substantially better recoil control and it was done showing legitimacy. I have never had an issue with horizontal recoil in the close range. Medium and far it is hard to control at all. Literally if I step back about 5 meters from where this spray is, the spray becomes a lot harder and exponentially so farther out.

Everyone here thinks you're a cheater. I don't care what you are. If you're cheating, you'll get banned eventually, if not then your account won't have another vac ban on it. Just leave it as it is and in a few weeks after another vac wave goes through and you're still able to play, everyone here will look pretty silly.

[QUOTE=Downspire;45374110]Everyone here thinks you're a cheater. I don't care what you are. If you're cheating, you'll get banned eventually, if not then your account won't have another vac ban on it. Just leave it as it is and in a few weeks after another vac wave goes through and you're still able to play, everyone here will look pretty silly.[/QUOTE] If he used a macro he won't get VAC banned and just so you know even the ones that use hacks(the bought ones) if they are smart with them they can stay alive over many ban waves .

[QUOTE=GalegO;45323282]I play FPS games since CS 1.4, and I not a pro, but I have enough experience to recognize a cheater. I agree with No Quarter, is humanity impossible to stabilize your aim AT SAME PIXEL! NO WAY! Mainly in a game where the FPS gameplay is worst, and isn't the focus. You have a VAC Ban and your profile is private, please, buy another game, change your nick and get a new identity without cheater. Don't cry anymore...[/QUOTE] "humanity impossible" is the part that everyone seems to be hung up on. Less or no visible recoil means one of two things with an M4 in Rust, Hax or Hardware. I have a mouse that allows me to adjust my mouse acceleration on the fly, meaning with enough practice i could do the same as in the vid. That alone doesnt make me or anyone else a hacker, it just means we have more money to put into our rig. This is what happens when Sheeple (Sheep People) are given a shred of something that could be real and told its absolute. Baa on internet, Baa on.

Looks like no recoil. The M4 has a decent amount of recoil even when aiming down sights and for the gun sights not to bounce up once makes me suspect that he is hacking. Also it appears there was a left ward twitch in one of them but I'd say that's him trying to get on target after moving rightward.

[QUOTE=TwistedTryce;45375555]"humanity impossible" is the part that everyone seems to be hung up on. Less or no visible recoil means one of two things with an M4 in Rust, Hax or Hardware. I have a mouse that allows me to adjust my mouse acceleration on the fly, meaning with enough practice i could do the same as in the vid. That alone doesnt make me or anyone else a hacker, it just means we have more money to put into our rig. This is what happens when Sheeple (Sheep People) are given a shred of something that could be real and told its absolute. Baa on internet, Baa on.[/QUOTE] And if Grimmy doesn't use a mouse that supports acceleration on the fly? Your argument pretty much falls apart then.

[QUOTE=OtherDalfite;45376263]And if Grimmy doesn't use a mouse that supports acceleration on the fly? Your argument pretty much falls apart then.[/QUOTE] You can not prove it either way, so my argument does not need to hold water, It just needs to poke holes in yours. It is the duty of the accuser to provide evidence after all. the defense has a whole slew of reasons to cause doubt in the "Hax" claims. Where is your Evidence proving guilt? You have none, case closed.

[QUOTE=TwistedTryce;45376391]You can not prove it either way, so my argument does not need to hold water, It just needs to poke holes in yours. It is the duty of the accuser to provide evidence after all. the defense has a whole slew of reasons to cause doubt in the "Hax" claims. Where is your Evidence proving guilt? You have none, case closed.[/QUOTE] It is a shame that burden of proof is so typically ignored on the Internet. Good luck - ignorance usually reigns over rational thought. The good thing is that no matter how much people on this sub-forum bitch, nothing they say will ultimately matter. If the guy cheats, he will get busted. If not, then hopefully he gets his channel(s) back. Nothing more, nothing less.

[QUOTE=Leon Garoux;45376488]It is a shame that burden of proof is so typically ignored on the Internet. Good luck - ignorance usually reigns over rational thought. The good thing is that no matter how much people on this sub-forum bitch, nothing they say will ultimately matter. If the guy cheats, he will get busted. If not, then hopefully he gets his channel(s) back. Nothing more, nothing less.[/QUOTE] Thats why I prefer the the term Sheeple, they will believe as they are told to believe by those that claim to know it all. Same of Religion and Politics, Baa on internet.

to those talking about horizontal recoil: If the horizontal recoil is random, could it be possible Grimybear had a lucky 'throw of the dice' during this video? that the randomization produced a series of low numbers which didn't cause very much recoil at all? I haven't played anywhere near enough to comment myself, but thought I'd throw the theory out there.

[QUOTE=One-shoe;45381762]to those talking about horizontal recoil: [B]If the horizontal recoil is random, could it be possible Grimybear had a lucky 'throw of the dice' during this video? that the randomization produced a series of low numbers which didn't cause very much recoil at all?[/B] I haven't played anywhere near enough to comment myself, but thought I'd throw the theory out there.[/QUOTE] Of course. Supposedly this thing is a long stream, and this is seconds out of the entire stream where this happened and sounds like only happened.

[QUOTE=FullBl0wnAIDS;45382037]Of course. Supposedly this thing is a long stream, and this is seconds out of the entire stream where this happened and sounds like only happened.[/QUOTE] You can encounter the horizontal jumps off one shot. You are pretty much guaranteed to get multiple jumps off a five round burst and that is what perplexes the handful of Veterans in this thread. The fact that the player in question did not seem to have any horizontal recoil on an eleven round burst.

Ok, say your right and he is cheating, that is what Vac is for. Otherwise if he isnt, and his channel is banned without reason, then those that reported him without proper proof end up being horrible people, and should feel horrible for it. Either way, Random people on the net should but out and let the real athority handle things, all your gonna do is cause needless damage.

[QUOTE=MrScratch;45382897]You can encounter the horizontal jumps off one shot. You are pretty much guaranteed to get multiple jumps off a five round burst and that is what perplexes the handful of Veterans in this thread. The fact that the player in question did not seem to have any horizontal recoil on an eleven round burst.[/QUOTE] But it wasn't an 11 round burst. Someone just claimed that, and now it is considered fact by everyone. This really got out of hand fast. Instead of people actually looking at the video(and the hacker in question video replicating the issue), they just keep repeating the same stuff that isn't even accurate(like this 11 round burst). not saying the guy hacks or not, but I mean, lets look at the real evidence, and not the made up ones people have posted on here.

[QUOTE=FullBl0wnAIDS;45387297]But it wasn't an 11 round burst. Someone just claimed that, and now it is considered fact by everyone. This really got out of hand fast. Instead of people actually looking at the video(and the hacker in question video replicating the issue), they just keep repeating the same stuff that isn't even accurate(like this 11 round burst). not saying the guy hacks or not, but I mean, lets look at the real evidence, and not the made up ones people have posted on here.[/QUOTE] What it boils down to is there is no real evidence, nothing solid that can not be explained through hardware, and random chance. Therefore its another case of "What someone better than me?! MIST BE HAX!!" And the flocks of people jumping into the mob to "burn the witch" without anything but suspicion.

[QUOTE=TwistedTryce;45388065]What it boils down to is there is no real evidence, nothing solid that can not be explained through hardware, and random chance. Therefore its another case of "What someone better than me?! MIST BE HAX!!" And the flocks of people jumping into the mob to "burn the witch" without anything but suspicion.[/QUOTE] This. Remember when this happened to FrankieonPC? He did the right thing though: addressed it once, then never responded to it again.

He also has years of experience as a youtuber, plus i believe he has a channel affiliation that could coach him on what to do in these situations. I could be wrong about the channel affiliation as i have not checked, but the basics of this statement still stand. He has the experience to handle it properly. As a whole Grimmy has been pretty professional about this and hasnt resorted to the slanderous tactics most tend to use in these situations. (at least not that i remember, im not reading back through all that again) He's just trying to protect his channel, and i cant blame him for that.

I've been playing FPS games since my mid twenties (I'm 41) and after watching that video I do not see anything that screams hack to me. He has some good gun control.

[QUOTE=Feinter;45362787][video=youtube;k2Adowk8MQ8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2Adowk8MQ8&index=1&list=UUpFRegF_jJrI_JgAgXowy_w[/video] Not trying to brag, but recoil in RUST looks like this, no matter how good you are at maintaining it, it will still jump from time to time. So to anyone who still believes this guy is legit, man, I don't even know what to say. Best regards tho.[/QUOTE] at 0:30 you have what appears to be no vertical recoil... you have minimal horizontal. In your own video you prove GrimmyBear innocent then say he must be cheating. Is that because this is a video of you cheating?

[QUOTE=FullBl0wnAIDS;45387297]But it wasn't an 11 round burst. Someone just claimed that, and now it is considered fact by everyone. This really got out of hand fast. Instead of people actually looking at the video(and the hacker in question video replicating the issue), they just keep repeating the same stuff that isn't even accurate(like this 11 round burst). not saying the guy hacks or not, but I mean, lets look at the real evidence, and not the made up ones people have posted on here.[/QUOTE] The person that claimed that was me and I got that number from counting the shots during the slow motion clip. I don't think you people fully understand what the issue is. It does not relate to player skill it relates to game mechanics. You can not build muscle memory off a rng value that goes forward and reverse for such an extended period of time. Once again the problem most of us see has no relation to player input, it's game mechanics not functioning as intended.

[QUOTE=MrScratch;45392633]The person that claimed that was me and I got that number from counting the shots during the slow motion clip. I don't think you people fully understand what the issue is. It does not relate to player skill it relates to game mechanics. You can not build muscle memory off a rng value that goes forward and reverse for such an extended period of time. Once again the problem most of us see has no relation to player input, it's game mechanics not functioning as intended.[/QUOTE] We completely understand it. We also understand that random chance in the game it can indeed happen. The 'hacker' in question has already replicated it. In other peoples videos you can see it randomly.

[QUOTE=FullBl0wnAIDS;45388539]This. Remember when this happened to FrankieonPC? He did the right thing though: addressed it once, then never responded to it again.[/QUOTE] He's full of crap though.

[QUOTE=TwistedTryce;45376391]You can not prove it either way, so my argument does not need to hold water, It just needs to poke holes in yours. It is the duty of the accuser to provide evidence after all. the defense has a whole slew of reasons to cause doubt in the "Hax" claims. Where is your Evidence proving guilt? You have none, case closed.[/QUOTE] I'm not really on a side anymore. Good evidence has been given on both sides. But really, your idea of "he may have a special mouse so your argument is false" is terrible. "Poking holes" ie: things I can't prove without the OP's input over the internet. I'd say this is case closed because neither side can prove anything and everyone else seems to be getting bored.

[QUOTE=Grimmybear;45322847] I'm a competitive fps player and I know how to shoot a gun, deal with it.[/QUOTE] Try Playing ArmA noob

What is everyone bitching about? I've only just come across this thread (been away from the forums so ages) but you can clearly see recoil on the first guy and even more so on the second guy. Why are people on dial up and potato computers trying to analyse a poor quality video?

[QUOTE=TwistedTryce;45388065]What it boils down to is there is no real evidence, nothing solid that can not be explained through hardware, and random chance. [/QUOTE] What it boils down to is that you and many others believe due to lack of experience in the game Rust THINK that this is "nothing solid" while any high caliber Rust player will without even the slightest doubt agree that this is no recoil. Check all the players who say yes he cheats and the players who say no he doesn't cheat and the amount of hours played in the game and you'll see a clear correlation. Coincidence? I think not.

Anyone who's played Rust long enough, knows that an M4 Jumps Randomly during a prolonged burst. Now i didn't see any of that. Scratch that, EVERY gun jumps randomly. Well, Except a Pipey. EDIT: [IMG]http://th03.deviantart.net/fs70/200H/f/2012/147/f/f/dr__hax_by_adtxshadowx-d51clqp.jpg[/IMG] [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Image macro" - Craptasket))[/highlight]