Rust streamer caught with no recoil on his own stream - Rust

As the #1 Rust Player in the World, I can confirm the use of no-recoil [cheats].

[QUOTE=Falxhor;45403846]What it boils down to is that you and many others believe due to lack of experience in the game Rust THINK that this is "nothing solid" while any high caliber Rust player will without even the slightest doubt agree that this is no recoil. Check all the players who say yes he cheats and the players who say no he doesn't cheat and the amount of hours played in the game and you'll see a clear correlation. Coincidence? I think not.[/QUOTE] so let me get this straight. if someone with say, 1500hours of rust told you that this guy wasn't hacking, your opinion would change immediately? that's the same crap that keeps incompetent doctors practicing long after their "use-by date". i'm curious Mr 10 Posts...how about you put up your steam ID to show how many hours you have in rust. just since you state that it is a measure of someones ability for interpretation of some shitty video footage.

the dude replicates the clip perfectly with no h4x0rz...Better gun control than the OP video and yet people still shout h4x0r Kids these days are so dumb

[QUOTE=mrknifey;45405191]so let me get this straight. if someone with say, 1500hours of rust told you that this guy wasn't hacking, your opinion would change immediately? that's the same crap that keeps incompetent doctors practicing long after their "use-by date". i'm curious Mr 10 Posts...how about you put up your steam ID to show how many hours you have in rust. just since you state that it is a measure of someones ability for interpretation of some shitty video footage.[/QUOTE] I said there will be a clear correlation, I didn't say there would be no exceptions. I like the personal attack on me and my 10 posts, they really add up to all the other faulty arguments you've given so far but I'll take the effort to reply to it anyway; I've posted about 5? things on different places on facepunch because I don't really come here often unless people link me something worth replying to. Have you tried searching my name (Falxhor) in steam yet, genius? I can spare you the trouble though I got 800 hours. If you think that 800 hours isn't enough to make my opinion/judgement valid then you're entitled to that opinion, I don't really care. And if you find 4-6 people with 1k+ hours of rust that aren't ignorant grimmybear fanboys and they tell you this is not cheating I will definitely rewatch the video a hundred times more to find that "recoil control" people talk about. However, I'm pretty sure my previous 30 replays of the video in slowmo are enough of observations to come to the clear and ONLY conclusion that he's using no recoil cheats. Also have you ever thought about the fact that when trausi showed the video to the Twitch admin he decided it was enough solid proof to ban his channel? They don't ban channels on the fly, the evidence has to be sufficient. I'm just saying.. [QUOTE=Toshiiharu;45405987]the dude replicates the clip perfectly with no h4x0rz...Better gun control than the OP video and yet people still shout h4x0r Kids these days are so dumb[/QUOTE] I agree with that last part, kid.

hope you understand the irony of you complaining that it is poor form to presume that because someone has "less count" in something, that they don't know what they are talking about. because i do, and i enjoy it immensely. [QUOTE=Falxhor;45406312]I said there will be a clear correlation, I didn't say there would be no exceptions. [B]you are generalising. we agree on that.[/B] I like the personal attack on me and my 10 posts...[B]for the irony, and to make a point about how you are dismissing other peoples opinions based on the number of hours they have played rust.[/B] Have you tried searching my name (Falxhor) in steam...[B]still not posting it and i won't take your word for it. as for searching, i'm not the one trying to validate my opinions based on my rust hours(or devaluate others based an assumption that if they disagree, they are simply less experienced than you). in addition to that, there are plenty of profiles with your name, and i can't be assed doing your job for you.[/B] If you think that 800 hours isn't enough to make my opinion/judgement valid then you're entitled to that opinion, I don't really care. [B]you can see the irony here, right?[/B] And if you find 4-6 people with 1k+ hours of rust that aren't ignorant grimmybear fanboys...[B]get a feeling you would just excuse those people as grimmybear fans to suit your needs. and just a point of interest, i've never seen his stream, and don't know who the fuck he is. despite your assumptions, i am not a "grimmbear fanboy", and still disagree with you.[/B] I'm pretty sure my previous 30 replays of the video in slowmo are enough of observations to come to the clear and ONLY conclusion that he's using no recoil cheats...[B] i don't agree with you, but i'll respect your opinion...just not the way you are disrespecting other people's opinions that are not in line with yours.[/B] ...when trausi showed the video to the Twitch admin he decided it was enough solid proof to ban his channel? They don't ban channels on the fly, the evidence has to be sufficient... [B] probably a safe assumption that the policy is to ban a channel until the process of investigating claims is over just in case. but that is not proof of cheating, just that the admin felt it could be, and that it was appropriate to ban him until proven one way or another[/B][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=UnholyKyono;45396967]What is everyone bitching about? I've only just come across this thread (been away from the forums so ages) but you can clearly see recoil on the first guy and even more so on the second guy. Why are people on dial up and potato computers trying to analyse a poor quality video?[/QUOTE] Because a lot of kids want to feel important by going on a witchhunt and convincing people they are right about something they can't prove either way.

[QUOTE=Falxhor;45403846]What it boils down to is that you and many others believe due to lack of experience in the game Rust THINK that this is "nothing solid" while any high caliber Rust player will without even the slightest doubt agree that this is no recoil. Check all the players who say yes he cheats and the players who say no he doesn't cheat and the amount of hours played in the game and you'll see a clear correlation. Coincidence? I think not.[/QUOTE] 1: You and I both have 800+ hours in rust, I would have over 1k if I had not gotten bored and stopped to wait for the new branch to finish. 2: Im not a fanboy either as this is my first time hearing about this player or his stream. I believe that qualifies me in your definition to make an educated statement on the matter, yet mine still does not match yours or many others.

[QUOTE=Falxhor;45406312]I said there will be a clear correlation, I didn't say there would be no exceptions. I like the personal attack on me and my 10 posts, they really add up to all the other faulty arguments you've given so far but I'll take the effort to reply to it anyway; I've posted about 5? things on different places on facepunch because I don't really come here often unless people link me something worth replying to. Have you tried searching my name (Falxhor) in steam yet, genius? I can spare you the trouble though I got 800 hours. If you think that 800 hours isn't enough to make my opinion/judgement valid then you're entitled to that opinion, I don't really care. And if you find 4-6 people with 1k+ hours of rust that aren't ignorant grimmybear fanboys and they tell you this is not cheating I will definitely rewatch the video a hundred times more to find that "recoil control" people talk about. However, I'm pretty sure my previous 30 replays of the video in slowmo are enough of observations to come to the clear and ONLY conclusion that he's using no recoil cheats. Also have you ever thought about the fact that when trausi showed the video to the Twitch admin he decided it was enough solid proof to ban his channel? They don't ban channels on the fly, the evidence has to be sufficient. I'm just saying.. I agree with that last part, kid.[/QUOTE] Actually, they do. Twitch viewers are notorious for being channel Nazis that report just about everything, even content that does not break any rules, in which they then seal in channel fates by getting their other friends to report as well. Had a friend that streamed from my website, and would take short breaks from gaming to stream a bit of the original DBZ. The rules clearly state this is fine as long as your streams are mostly made up of gaming, yet they still refuse to lift his ban. That is just a single example - I have seen much worse concerning Twitch bans.

[QUOTE=Snickerdoodle;45408578]Because a lot of kids want to feel important by going on a witchhunt and convincing people they are right about something they can't prove either way.[/QUOTE] This is not true for everyone Snicker. For me it's because I get quite frustrated by cheaters in this game since they ruin the gameplay for others. As a passionate Rust player it's even more frustrating when some guy streams himself cheating and even earns viewers, donations, etc. for it. I think this is disgusting and that's why I'm "bitchin". As for the other people that replied to me. I'm gonna put it as simply as I possibly can to make it understandable for everyone. I very strongly believe the video is solid proof of cheats and there's little to make me step away from this belief because I trust my judgement on the matter; I believe I've played this game enough to value my judgement over others with less experience in the game because I believe this is a very relevant factor to ones judgement on this. The absolute majority of people with so far 2 exceptions that have even more experience in Rust than me share my belief that the video is solid proof of cheating. To mrknifey; the amount of posts someone puts on facepunch is irrelevant while as I said before the amount of hours in Rust is relevant, therefore there's no irony that you speak of. [editline]17th July 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Leon Garoux;45410204]Actually, they do. Twitch viewers are notorious for being channel Nazis that report just about everything, even content that does not break any rules, in which they then seal in channel fates by getting their other friends to report as well. Had a friend that streamed from my website, and would take short breaks from gaming to stream a bit of the original DBZ. The rules clearly state this is fine as long as your streams are mostly made up of gaming, yet they still refuse to lift his ban. That is just a single example - I have seen much worse concerning Twitch bans.[/QUOTE] Can you link me anything on this like a recording of the stream that got him banned?

[QUOTE=Falxhor;45411403]This is not true for everyone Snicker. For me it's because I get quite frustrated by cheaters in this game since they ruin the gameplay for others. As a passionate Rust player it's even more frustrating when some guy streams himself cheating and even earns viewers, donations, etc. for it. I think this is disgusting and that's why I'm "bitchin". As for the other people that replied to me. I'm gonna put it as simply as I possibly can to make it understandable for everyone. I very strongly believe the video is solid proof of cheats and there's little to make me step away from this belief because I trust my judgement on the matter; I believe I've played this game enough to value my judgement over others with less experience in the game because I believe this is a very relevant factor to ones judgement on this. The absolute majority of people with so far 2 exceptions that have even more experience in Rust than me share my belief that the video is solid proof of cheating. To mrknifey; the amount of posts someone puts on facepunch is irrelevant while as I said before the amount of hours in Rust is relevant, therefore there's no irony that you speak of. [editline]17th July 2014[/editline] Can you link me anything on this like a recording of the stream that got him banned?[/QUOTE] How on earth could I possibly provide you with that, when his channel has been removed and all of his videos have either been hidden, or also removed from their databanks? Not like I am arguing his case here, anyways: I am simply providing an example as to how Twitch consistently bans on a whim.

[QUOTE=Falxhor;45411403]...I get quite frustrated by cheaters in this game since they ruin the gameplay for others.*snip* I think this is disgusting and that's why I'm "bitchin". [B]i wholeheartedly agree with you. cheaters ruin the experience, especially in multiplayer games. i get frustrated by them too:)[/B] I very strongly believe the video is solid proof of cheats and there's little to make me step away from this belief because I trust my judgement on the matter; I believe I've played this game enough to value my judgement (over others with less experience in the game because I believe this is a very relevant factor to ones judgement on this.)[B]the bracketed section is my issue, not the first part. none of this can be proven empirically...thus its all opinions. i respect your opinion even if i disagree with it. i don't like that you presume that your opinion is the only valid one.[/B] The absolute majority of people with so far 2 exceptions that have even more experience in Rust than me share my belief that the video is solid proof of cheating. [B]given that very few of the people here have their steam accounts linked to their fp account, i'd loved to know how you "worked this out".[/B] To mrknifey; the amount of posts someone puts on facepunch is irrelevant while as I said before the amount of hours in Rust is relevant, therefore there's no irony that you speak of.[B]so you can't see the irony in dismissing someones opinion based on the number of hours/posts they have? that's a shame, because it's right there in front of you. let me try and make it clearer. if i dismiss the content of your posts based on the number you have made, i am being ignorant of your possible knowledge from other sources that has relevence. its the same in rust hours. i could artificially buff my hours by leaving my computer logged in and my player hidden, maybe coming back every now and then to feed, or creating a macro to do the same, and have 1000 hours of "playtime" yet know nothing about the game. or i could have played 10 hours on this account and had my 1000hr account jacked, be a coder for rust, and best mates with garry. you never know where someone is coming from, and shouldn't presume that they know nothing because of some arbitrary number.[/B] [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=mrknifey;45414366][/QUOTE] How I worked that out? Because I know pretty much know all the players that posted here and say this is no recoiling. These players are either high caliber players I've played with or against, streamers or just in generally known by the community (which I'm a part of, more of a lurker really) as good players. With the community I mean the people that generally always plays on the current high pop fresh wiped servers (seen as the most competitive servers and hardest to play), watch and chat in the same streams (talking about Bchillz, Tyler, Real_Bm, CoconutB, Trausi, bic_boi etc. etc. etc.) and generally know each other as legit and usually far above average players.

[QUOTE=trausi;45321192]Dude every good player will tell you its impossible to do it there is 0 move in UP/DOWN, like zero, and there is also 0 movement in the left/right so. This no recoil is just obvious so i wont discuss with you guys lol[/QUOTE] Yea that's blatant as fuck lmao. How can ppl disagree unless they are either blind or mentally challenged, anyways good job catching this fuck

This is ridiculous. How can you say someone is cheating on a few seconds long video. It takes much more than that to figure that out. It feels like a bunch of 14 years old putting their mind on something and refusing to admit they're wrong. The only argument pulled in favor of him "hacking" is "you're blind for not seeing it" "it's obvious" "any good player can figure it out". Well I'm sorry but no, I'm only seeing someone with good spray control and a bit of luck.

[QUOTE=Falxhor;45416756]How I worked that out? Because I know pretty much know all the players that posted here and say this is no recoiling. These players are either high caliber players I've played with or against, streamers or just in generally known by the community (which I'm a part of, more of a lurker really) as good players. With the community I mean the people that generally always plays on the current high pop fresh wiped servers (seen as the most competitive servers and hardest to play), watch and chat in the same streams (talking about Bchillz, Tyler, Real_Bm, CoconutB, Trausi, bic_boi etc. etc. etc.) and generally know each other as legit and usually far above average players.[/QUOTE] oh i'm sorry, i didn't realize i was talking to one of the elite! you know all the good players! AND they agree with your opinions! not really. but i think i'm wasting my time trying to open your eyes to the ignorance you have displayed over and over here... and in honesty, i just don't care to try anymore. you think he's hacking, i think he's not. neither one of us can prove it, regardless of how many "elite" people we know with matching opinions.

[QUOTE=mrknifey;45417873]oh i'm sorry, i didn't realize i was talking to one of the elite! you know all the good players! AND they agree with your opinions! not really. but i think i'm wasting my time trying to open your eyes to the ignorance you have displayed over and over here... and in honesty, i just don't care to try anymore. you think he's hacking, i think he's not. neither one of us can prove it, regardless of how many "elite" people we know with matching opinions.[/QUOTE] He does appear to have an unusually high opinion of himself. >.>

[QUOTE=mrknifey;45417873]oh i'm sorry, i didn't realize i was talking to one of the elite! you know all the good players! AND they agree with your opinions! not really. but i think i'm wasting my time trying to open your eyes to the ignorance you have displayed over and over here... and in honesty, i just don't care to try anymore. you think he's hacking, i think he's not. neither one of us can prove it, regardless of how many "elite" people we know with matching opinions.[/QUOTE] If "Elite Opinions" are all that is required to be right, Make way for the next president who is always right simply because he/she has more twitter/facebook friends and followers than anyone else. Seriously the "more people side with me" theory works well on paper, But even Einstein failed high school math and was far more advanced that anyone else of his time in the later years. Experts are not experts if they have a bias, And in many cases in this community the bias shows at the slighest mention of cheating. Then we see all the "Famed Elite" stand up and flex their E-Peen trying so show off and get more followers. Its just really sad...

[QUOTE=TwistedTryce;45418716]But even Einstein failed high school math and was far more advanced that anyone else of his time in the later years.[/QUOTE] [URL="http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2011/12/albert-einstein-did-not-fail-at-mathematics-in-school/"]Please stop perpetuating a myth.[/URL] “I never failed in mathematics… Before I was fifteen I had mastered differential and integral calculus.” -Albert Einstein

[QUOTE=mrknifey;45417873]oh i'm sorry, i didn't realize i was talking to one of the elite! you know all the good players! AND they agree with your opinions! not really. but i think i'm wasting my time trying to open your eyes to the ignorance you have displayed over and over here... and in honesty, i just don't care to try anymore. you think he's hacking, i think he's not. neither one of us can prove it, regardless of how many "elite" people we know with matching opinions.[/QUOTE] THAT'S THE FREAKING POINT. The video IS PROOF. YES I CAN PROVE IT COZ THERE IS A VIDEO. Seriously if you can't see that it's blatant no recoiling than that has to do with whatever disability that YOU have. It's not a matter of opinion when the video PROVES it. My god.. If you think this is a matter of opinion you're the ignorant one. Btw mrknifey tell me how much experience YOU have in this game.

[QUOTE=JacksSparrow;45420423][URL="http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2011/12/albert-einstein-did-not-fail-at-mathematics-in-school/"]Please stop perpetuating a myth.[/URL] “I never failed in mathematics… Before I was fifteen I had mastered differential and integral calculus.” -Albert Einstein[/QUOTE] Very well, bad choice to reference, Now insert random famous person from history that originally sucked at their field.... There are literally hundreds to choose from and still make my point.

[QUOTE=Falxhor;45420871]THAT'S THE FREAKING POINT. The video IS PROOF. YES I CAN PROVE IT COZ THERE IS A VIDEO. Seriously if you can't see that it's blatant no recoiling than that has to do with whatever disability that YOU have. It's not a matter of opinion when the video PROVES it. My god.. If you think this is a matter of opinion you're the ignorant one. Btw mrknifey tell me how much experience YOU have in this game.[/QUOTE] unlike you i have my steam account linked right there under my name. i have nothing to hide, and no, i don't have your supposed 800 hours. go ahead and prove my point by disparaging my ability to see a gun bounce up and down in a video based on the number of hours i have:) the video is not proof, because it is impossible to confirm his "hacking" one way or the other purely based on the visual evidence. the other guy (zero) on the other thread i am convinced is hacking because there is NO movement at all; the sight remains constant the whole time, but its not definitive proof, just strong opinion. [B]*edit* speaking of opinions, see post #3 in this thread. 26 agrees, 6 disagrees on a comment of "call me crazy, but it looked like there was recoil to me".[/B] empirical proof is based in fact that is not subjective. the content of this video IS subjective, ie prone to interpretation. in fact, the only proof that would hold any weight is logs from his computer showing the active processes on his computer at the time. and even they could be tampered with to prove it one way or another. so no, you have nothing worth believing, and an amazing arrogance to presume your opinion is better than other peoples based on how "L33T" you think you are.

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NR582Re9ToQ&index=3&list=UUROEkNf4a2t8nNuN1X4H1RQ[/media] The last kill is an example of how recoil can jump randomly, and that jump was within around 6 shots.

The M4 has mad recoil unless you are doing 1-2 shots. I don't know if he was hacking or not, but it's an art to tame this. I use to use it all the time, however, preferring my MP5 and Shotty now for close encounters. Carry a bolt for backup.

The best part about this thread is Grimmy frantically trying to prove he's not cheating when it's clear there is absolutely 0 recoil. From my own personal experience I never try to prove I'm not cheating because I know it myself and couldn't care less of what others opinions are. There's video evidence of 0 recoil that you recorded yourself, can't get caught more red handed than that lol.

[QUOTE=mrknifey;45422665]unlike you i have my steam account linked right there under my name. i have nothing to hide, and no, i don't have your supposed 800 hours. go ahead and prove my point by disparaging my ability to see a gun bounce up and down in a video based on the number of hours i have:) the video is not proof, because it is impossible to confirm his "hacking" one way or the other purely based on the visual evidence. the other guy (zero) on the other thread i am convinced is hacking because there is NO movement at all; the sight remains constant the whole time, but its not definitive proof, just strong opinion. [B]*edit* speaking of opinions, see post #3 in this thread. 26 agrees, 6 disagrees on a comment of "call me crazy, but it looked like there was recoil to me".[/B] empirical proof is based in fact that is not subjective. the content of this video IS subjective, ie prone to interpretation. in fact, the only proof that would hold any weight is logs from his computer showing the active processes on his computer at the time. and even they could be tampered with to prove it one way or another. so no, you have nothing worth believing, and an amazing arrogance to presume your opinion is better than other peoples based on how "L33T" you think you are.[/QUOTE] I never took the effort to link it to here -.- You leave out the fact that that was the latest comment on this thread at the time Grimmy posted a video to his ignorant fanbase about him being accused on Facepunch. Coincidence? Let's end it where you say it's opinion and I say the video IS proof. The difference in Grimmy's video is that there is a lot of disturbance coz he's hitting the window frame making it harder to see for the viewer, I will accept that this makes it a matter of opinion to SOME people.. to me it's still obvious

[QUOTE=Falxhor;45424029]I never took the effort to link it to here -.- You leave out the fact that that was the latest comment on this thread at the time Grimmy posted a video to his ignorant fanbase about him being accused on Facepunch. Coincidence? Let's end it where you say it's opinion and I say the video IS proof. The difference in Grimmy's video is that there is a lot of disturbance coz he's hitting the window frame making it harder to see for the viewer, I will accept that this makes it a matter of opinion to SOME people.. to me it's still obvious[/QUOTE] Opinion or not, This is effecting someones "potential" livelihood, many streamers with skill can make a living doing this. So your "Opinion" can effect a great deal when it absolutely should not. Internet game "Experts" do far more damage than good based on self empowerment. Need an example of self empowerment, look up Phil Fish. you kinda remind me of him.

[QUOTE=Falxhor;45424029]I never took the effort to link it to here -.- You leave out the fact that that was the latest comment on this thread at the time Grimmy posted a video to his ignorant fanbase about him being accused on Facepunch. Coincidence? Let's end it where you say it's opinion and I say the video IS proof. The difference in Grimmy's video is that there is a lot of disturbance coz he's hitting the window frame making it harder to see for the viewer, I will accept that this makes it a matter of opinion to SOME people.. to me it's still obvious[/QUOTE] didn't leave out anything intentionally, just found it amusing that you had said how many people support your argument, and yet on the 3rd comment there was such an overwhelming agreement with my point of view;) but either way, we can't presume the reasons for each person voting as they want, we'd have to ask them...and even then they could lie. my impression is that most people originally in this thread have got bored, or too pissed off to make any further comments. as for ending it with an "agree to disagree"...i wholeheartedly agree:D thank you for acknowledging that it could be a matter of opinion to some people, i will in turn respect your opinion that the video is sufficient proof. the only thing left to do is wait and see if the ban is overturned.

[QUOTE=TwistedTryce;45424225]Opinion or not, This is effecting someones "potential" livelihood, many streamers with skill can make a living doing this. So your "Opinion" can effect a great deal when it absolutely should not. Internet game "Experts" do far more damage than good based on self empowerment. Need an example of self empowerment, look up Phil Fish. you kinda remind me of him.[/QUOTE] Yes that's exactly why I get pissed about this. See it from my point of view. I'm sure he's cheating which means to me he's earning a living by ruining the game for other players - as if ruining the game for others isn't enough. I'm aware that this is effecting someone's "potential" livelihood, in his case it I believe it SHOULD, no mercy for cheaters.

[QUOTE=Falxhor;45424370]Yes that's exactly why I get pissed about this. See it from my point of view. I'm sure he's cheating which means to me he's earning a living by ruining the game for other players - as if ruining the game for others isn't enough. I'm aware that this is effecting someone's "potential" livelihood, in his case it I believe it SHOULD, no mercy for cheaters.[/QUOTE] And if it ruins his potential livelihood, Then later turns out that your opinion was not correct can you honestly say that you would feel nothing for it? Because at that point you can not reverse that damage. Thats my whole point, You can not prove 100% therefore your opinion should not have an impact on the situation.

I'll re-create the scene tonight and test it. Should be a bit of fun.