Do you think im hacking? - Rust

I hope you're monetizing your streaming channels. I would hate to find out you created a dozen monotonous threads pushing people to go watch videos of your sketchy gunplay and declaring your innocence... but neglected to make the 27 cents from the increased traffic. Those supermarket gumballs aren't going to buy themselves.

Awesome, can we let this thread die, now? Nothing is going to get through that guy's head unless it's preceded by high velocity lead. It's time to let it go.

You guys seem to forget one thing, why would someone hack knowing people who are in the community are watching the stream? It doesn't even make sense.

Everyone beside's Sally and RB zero are complete retards and have made for an entertaining read, why don't you geek's go get your smaller tinfoil hat.

[QUOTE=Sally;45481386]You guys seem to forget one thing, why would someone hack knowing people who are in the community are watching the stream? It doesn't even make sense.[/QUOTE] He would do it if he thought people wouldn't notice. That they'd mistake it for great play. He may have even accidentally switched a macro on, or got annoyed and decided to use it for a few seconds just for that occasion. Who knows? All we know is what we saw in the video, and that one should never, ever, underestimate human stupidity.

[QUOTE=SnakApathy94;45481835]Everyone beside's Sally and RB zero are complete retards and have made for an entertaining read, why don't you geek's go get your smaller tinfoil hat.[/QUOTE] Because he thought it made him look impressive? Because he's a dumbass?

obvious hacks but nice try getting people to be on your side :)

I have seen actual no recoil and i do say so myself that this is NOT hacks. Everyone should try using the mp5 silenced in a real fight and when you are close up like that you do not really sway up or down side to side AT ALL. its pretty cheep if i do say so myself. I have admin many servers and seen what no recoil can do. He is clean folks. No hacks here [editline]24th July 2014[/editline] [url]http://www.twitch.tv/rbzero0/c/4688433[/url] I TAKE MY LAST COMMENT BACK!!!! After watching this video (his) He defiantly using no recoil! Sorry for the confusion!

[QUOTE=Skinnynaut;45482095]He would do it if he thought people wouldn't notice. That they'd mistake it for great play.[/quote] While that could be said, it still wouldn't make sense. As it appears the community, what seems to be mostly the staff hated him, so as it seems they were looking for any excuse to ban him. Him knowing that would make him not want to stream while cheating. [quote] He may have even accidentally switched a macro on, or got annoyed and decided to use it for a few seconds just for that occasion. [/quote] All if not most cheat clients display what cheat has been toggled in some way or form. Which brings up to another thing, why would he only use no recoil, someone who as you say is stupid would most likely use all the cheats he can use to gain a upper advantage, such as ESP, even Aimbot. But then again, [quote] Who knows? All we know is what we saw in the video, and that one should never, ever, underestimate human stupidity.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Prov3rbial;45483559]Because he thought it made him look impressive?[/QUOTE] This doesn't seem like its the case, think about it, Why would someone who apparently as you said, takes pride in using No Recoil, denie everything all of the sudden, claiming to be innocent, even using videos that he believed he was not cheating in the first place, which appear to have incriminated him even further. He sounds pretty innocent or having knowledge of it.

[QUOTE=Sally;45486421]While that could be said, it still wouldn't make sense. As it appears the community, what seems to be mostly the staff hated him, so as it seems they were looking for any excuse to ban him. Him knowing that would make him not want to stream while cheating.[/QUOTE] Not true, 2 of our admins actually unbanned Zero in my absence until half the server threatened to quit (something they shouldn't have done without consulting me, but it happened). [QUOTE=Sally;45486421]All if not most cheat clients display what cheat has been toggled in some way or form. Which brings up to another thing, why would he only use no recoil, someone who as you say is stupid would most likely use all the cheats he can use to gain a upper advantage, such as ESP, even Aimbot.[/QUOTE] Not true. These in-game notifications can be toggled on/off, cheat developers know that many players stream and do their very best to ensure this is possible by configuring the cheat properly. With ArtificialAiming for example, you can change the recoil on each gun individually and even configure properties around how the recoil behaves (1/2 recoil, no sway, or no spread for example). [B]Check out [URL="http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1407308"]this[/URL] post for another example if you don't believe me![/B] [QUOTE=Sally;45486421]This doesn't seem like its the case, think about it, Why would someone who apparently as you said, takes pride in using No Recoil, denie everything all of the sudden, claiming to be innocent, even using videos that he believed he was not cheating in the first place, which appear to have incriminated him even further. He sounds pretty innocent or having knowledge of it.[/QUOTE] When did Zero take pride in cheating? If anything he's trying to mask a cheat client or recoil macro with impossible "talent". Regardless of him cheating or not, he will never be unbanned from my server. He has been harassing me personally as well as trying to slander my server's name on the FacePunch forums ([URL="http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1411001"]see here[/URL]). The FacePunch staff noticed this and even banned him from the forums.. He has created [U]several[/U] new accounts on my community's forum [U]using a VPN[/U] and spammed our ban appeal section with unban requests (I deleted many of them but [URL="https://forums.wwofr.com/showthread.php?t=129"]here[/URL] is an example). This guy is drama and 99% of the Rust community agrees that the video I submitted clearly shows a lack of recoil on his MP5A4, say what you want but this guy is bad news. - UpsetStarship

This kid was banned from 1 Server I was admin on "Carolinas Gaming" and I banned him frmo my server "Land of Rust". At the time when i banned him from my server I didnt realize it was the guy from Carolinas Gaming till i checked steam id. This kid is 100% hacking. He ran with the ERA clan, they were full of hackers. and 99% of the ERA clan has vac bans now. If you really want the steam id links of all the ERA clan pages where they are vac banned, ill look them up, But UpsetStarship can also vouch ERA was banned from there server too. Here is the link for ERA using Radar hacks etc. They admitted to it. [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpQs9j6Yfmo&feature=youtu.be&t=3m[/url] [editline]24th July 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Prov3rbial;45453119]Hello, Zero's Second Account. :D [editline]21st July 2014[/editline] Tell us a million times, little boy. Wait and see who falls over themselves to apologize for you. I can vouch for Snak that isnt Zero. I known Snak a long time. I also think RB ZERO is a hacking lil bitch. He is definately using Auto Hot Key or some type no recoil script. You can clearly see it in that video. Using a macro might not be a VAC bannable offense, but it's still cheating -- enjoy that fine line.[/QUOTE] [editline]24th July 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=CubanH;45444712]Zero have even ask to Team View through to the admin's computer to proof he does not hack. If you do not play on that server, you need to be quite as you do not know the type of crying players that play there. Yesterday, the admins admitted that he did not hack and unban him, then after seeing the little bitches from the server go back to crying, simply because a better player was back, they decided to ban him. IF he was hacking, I would totally agree, however, once proven that it is not a hack ( which they admitted it) banning him again simply because of a few shitty players from the server do not want him there is WRONG. Im done with that server. PS: A player with 1000 hrs on Rust, 1600 hrs of CS GO and over 7000 hrs of FPS on Xfire, without ever being vac banned or banned for any matter is doubtfully cheating and his video proofs it.[/QUOTE] Cuban, You group runs with hackers and has been banned from Carolinas Gaming twice for running with hackers in your group and not caring. He's clearly using Auto Hot Key for recoil. You can see it in his videos. [editline]24th July 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=UpsetStarship;45451604]Actually, you were mad that I didn't ban one of the players you accused of cheating (there were several) [url]https://forums.wwofr.com/showthread.php?t=47[/url] What were the female player's names? Since I'm the only person who can spawn loot in on my server, I guess your accusing [U]me[/U] of doing that? Are they even on my friends list? Spoiler alert: your wrong and are obviously trying to slander my server - UpsetStarship[/QUOTE] Well, thats not true at all. Screenshots of others spawning items in. Not to mention line 10. Why you giving ppl p250s? [url]http://pastebin.com/aGf4jF9J[/url] Lines 20, 21, 24. Other ppl spawning stuff in. Lines 10 Upsetstarship Spawning P250 for Name (He was a player on there server his name was like Namesless or some shit. I played there at the time.) BTW, this screenshot was posted by UpsetStarship "UpsetStarship Another server crash after /voted [url]http://pastebin.com/aGf4jF9J[/url] " You can find this at [url]https://trello.com/c/2kcMF9ff/2-bug-reports-comment-freely-inside[/url] Under Bug Reports.

[QUOTE=blizz3010;45486930]Well, thats not true at all. Screenshots of others spawning items in. Not to mention line 10. Why you giving ppl p250s? Lines 20, 21, 24. Other ppl spawning stuff in. Lines 10 Upsetstarship Spawning P250 for Name (He was a player on there server his name was like Namesless or some shit. I played there at the time.)[/url]"[/QUOTE] Totally out of context, returning items lost to hackers is a common thing on my server. Also, the Kerafyrm thing is kinda weird (I remember him, be he's not and has never been an admin). The only Steam accounts with the ability to use /i are server owners (aka only me). [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/YVH8GvO.jpg[/IMG] See? Admins on my server are non-players, they are not allowed to PvP or raid or participate in gameplay what so ever. We have Community Moderators who are active players on the server but they have a very limited command set and are unable to spawn items in. Check out our staff list [URL="http://wwofr.com/pages/survival-staff"]here[/URL]. - UpsetStarship

[QUOTE=UpsetStarship;45487404]Totally out of context, returning items lost to hackers is a common thing on my server. Also, the Kerafyrm thing is kinda weird (I remember him, be he's not and has never been an admin). The only Steam accounts with the ability to use /i are server owners (aka only me). [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/YVH8GvO.jpg[/IMG] See? Admins on my server are non-players, they are not allowed to PvP or raid or participate in gameplay what so ever. We have Community Moderators who are active players on the server but they have a very limited command set and are unable to spawn items in. Check out our staff list [URL="http://wwofr.com/pages/survival-staff"]here[/URL]. - UpsetStarship[/QUOTE] I changed my post because I don't wanna just flame another server owner because I know its a tough job. I will say though, my experience from playing on your server was very poor. From what I saw, donators got favored and you showed favor to certain people which were on your friends list. Thats all Im saying not getting into flame war. I had fun on your server, and hope you turn your server around. Its been dying lately Ive seen. Used to be 60+ at all times and lately only 15+. (not trying to flame with this comment). Hope you try to show non favoritism to certain players. that was my major problem.

I really wish you would have came to me with this stuff before leaving our server, there has [B]never[/B] been favoritism and I have [B]never[/B] spawned in items for players without a valid reason (I don't even know Nameless very well, [URL="http://steamcommunity.com/id/UpsetStarship/friends/"]he isn't even on my friends list[/URL]). I don't remember you at all and was never made aware of you being unhappy about a situation. This seems like a serious misunderstanding =/ - UpsetStarship

[QUOTE=UpsetStarship;45487637] - UpsetStarship[/QUOTE] I changed my post. Hope you can remove what I said from the quote, wasnt trying start flame war and took mine out cause I dont want people to see it. Up to you though. With the comment about 60+ and 15+ was just trying to point it wasnt trying to flame. Just wanted to make you aware of it. I occasionally check your pbase count daily. Cause I did like your server, but wasnt happy with certain things.

[QUOTE=blizz3010;45487679]I changed my post. Hope you can remove what I said from the quote[/QUOTE] I did [QUOTE=blizz3010;45487679]With the comment about 60+ and 15+ was just trying to point it wasnt trying to flame. Just wanted to make you aware of it. I occasionally check your pbase count daily. Cause I did like your server, but wasnt happy with certain things.[/QUOTE] [B]All[/B] rust servers have lower pop these days.. see for yourself [URL="http://toprustservers.com/"]here[/URL]. US servers have always been lower pop than EU servers, and we are the highest populated US server because of the effort I put into managing it. Several people have burnt out of Rust or are simply waiting for the next big update. Yes we used to have a steady 60-90 players for a while when Rust was doing really well, but most of those players are doing other things until the update comes out. They didn't leave our server, they left the game (and the same goes for every other server). You can check Rust game stats (tracked by Steam) [URL="http://store.steampowered.com/stats/?l=english"]here[/URL].. notice how Unturned has peaked at 63,462 today and Rust only hit 12,382? Check [URL="http://steamcharts.com/app/252490#1y"]this[/URL] link out, it shows Rust had 58,979 players on Feb 9th and how it's been going down ever since (screenshot below). [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/jhYLuQF.jpg[/IMG] Honestly, there are so many issues with Rust that most servers haven't fixed that have caused this decline in players. If you take a look at our [URL="http://wwofr.com/pages/survival"]Survival server features[/URL] you will see the mod we run RustEssentials has fixed several of the big ones though. - Every night is full moon (maximum brightness) - Anti-foundation on objectd - Anti-ramp on objects - Anti-pillar on top of small stashes - Anti-autowood, prevents hackers from automatically gathering wood from trees around them - Anti-learnall, prevents hackers from being able to craft items without having researched them - Anti-range, prevents hackers (or normal players that accidently hit phantom bodies) from hitting other players when out of range - Anti-jumphack, prevents hackers from moving upward (jumping) faster than they should be - Anti-speedhack, prevents hackers from moving horizontally (crouching/walking/sprinting) faster than they should be - Family share account kicker - All container access is logged, we can tell who opened any object and specifically which items were added/removed - All kills/deaths are logged but not announced (position, range, distance, weapon used) for killer/victim so we can tell if someone shot through a wall/rock/etc. This also includes a kdr/kills/deaths leaderboard for administrators - Sleeping bags and beds are logged, this helps us track players glitching into objects - Sleeper death logging - Supply drop logging, we log supply drops just like we are for all other containers. This is to help us catch players using ESP to find them or looting from a distance When players cheat (like Zero), it makes other players not want to play Rust in general. This is why we do our absolute best to remove them from our community as fast as possible. - UpsetStarship

[QUOTE]- Family share account kicker[/QUOTE] Nice, instead of checking if the main account has been banned from your server you will punish everyone.

[QUOTE=Sally;45489949]Nice, instead of checking if the main account has been banned from your server you will punish everyone.[/QUOTE] When someone is banned who isn't already VAC banned who is obviously cheating, 20-40% of the time they end up coming back on a family share account to continue playing. Adding this feature brings that figure down to 0%. It only takes a moment to create another account and share your game with it so that you can get a different 64-bit Steam ID so that you can rejoin a server you've been banned on. I add exceptions for those who request it, but in general this is a feature that every server should have. Also, if someone is cheating on a family share account: How do you find their primary account and what good would it do when they can just create another family share account immediately after? - UpsetStarship

[QUOTE=Sally;45486421]This doesn't seem like its the case, think about it, Why would someone who apparently as you said, takes pride in using No Recoil, denie everything all of the sudden, claiming to be innocent, even using videos that he believed he was not cheating in the first place, which appear to have incriminated him even further. He sounds pretty innocent or having knowledge of it.[/QUOTE] I don't really want to debate his motives, though I'll tell you what I suspect -- he's an attention-seeking child trying to impress us all with how good he is. I don't think he takes pride in no-recoil, but rather that he honestly wants to convince us that he didn't use it, that he's just[I] that[/I] good.

[QUOTE=Sally;45486421]While that could be said, it still wouldn't make sense. As it appears the community, what seems to be mostly the staff hated him, so as it seems they were looking for any excuse to ban him. Him knowing that would make him not want to stream while cheating.[/QUOTE] One answer to that might be if he didn't consider what he was doing 'cheating.' As it happens, most people who use macros don't. They're just more careful when streaming or publishing because they know that some others do. Also let's not forget that a gun-fight can make short work of conscious awareness of other factors such as recording/streaming. He might normally use it only when there's a tight encounter and did so this time instinctively. [QUOTE=Sally;45486421]All if not most cheat clients display what cheat has been toggled in some way or form.[/QUOTE] There's a significant market for published game-play at the moment. Like any business, the people who create hacks are catering to a market. There is overlap between the people that publish game-play and people that use hacks. Maybe not in this instance, but it certainly does occur, and people love seeing exceptional game-play, yet some would-be content publishers aren't good enough (or don't have time enough) to provide it, so I don't think it's out of the bounds of reason to consider that they might be able to find something like a zero display hack. We must also remember that macros don't normally display anything unless specifically designed to do so. An anti-recoil macro would make tiny adjustments to where the mouse is pointing, and would do so whether Rust was running or not. Effectively undetectable until someone publishes video and people pick up that there's something very fishy going on, something beyond what's considered possible with luck, great game-play, muscle-memory, choppy frame-display and lag. [QUOTE=Sally;45486421]He sounds pretty innocent or having knowledge of it.[/QUOTE] Very true as far as traditional hacks are concerned. Which is one of the reasons I consider it much more likely that he was using an anti-recoil macro - believes it isn't cheating - and only did so very briefly during stream.

[QUOTE=rbzero;45410532]Personally would like to say I do not hack but apparently everyone in the world thinks I do this video does look like I have no recoil,but percisive positioning and mouse movements + luck clearly can cause this there are 2 versions and u can see the gun move when I adjust to the 2nd kill but I am not a hacker that is all. I had a Silenced mp5 - less recoil (9 years of online fps) I stop shooting between targets which resets the gun From my twitch [url]http://www.twitch.tv/rbzero0/c/4674297[/url] 4:40 is when im " no recoiling" His video edit of his fail mp5 recoil control [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwKrksTLKg0[/url] <--- slowing it down makes it look more bs but you can see the gun jump but its harder [url]http://www.twitch.tv/rbzero0/b/548677785[/url] <-- video to prove I don't hack[/QUOTE] You even trying?

thread derailed to discussion about server quality, op banned for another 4 days. can we let this die now or what?:)

[QUOTE=UpsetStarship;45491384] When someone is banned who isn't already VAC banned who is obviously cheating, 20-40% of the time they end up coming back on a family share account to continue playing. Adding this feature brings that figure down to 0%.[/quote] Both of these I am willing to believe, but lets take this case, rbzero has been suspected to of been playing for weeks if not months with No Recoil. The only way you found him out was from the stream. If he was able to get by like this then you are not really filtering out the cheaters as much as you should be. And on the case that someone does sign in with a family shared account after their main has been banned then they will banned upon connection. For as their main has already been flagged down. [quote]Also, if someone is cheating on a family share account: How do you find their primary account and what good would it do when they can just create another family share account immediately after? [/QUOTE] If the addon that you are using doesn't support for the main account to be banned then I'm better off bringing up such a thing to the author, and I'm not sure if you understand what I mean. What I am saying is that if the Main Account is banned from the server all the family sharing accounts that connect to the server will be banned upon connection. Thus allowing those population counts you have been worrying about to rise by a possibly small but maybe notable amount. [quote]I add exceptions for those who request it, but in general this is a feature that every server should have[/quote] For now this is the better way to and to Skinnynaut and Prov3rbial dont take this as a way of me dodging your statements or anything, but what you both have said makes a lot of sense. [B]-StayRusty[/B]

[QUOTE=Sally;45489949]Nice, instead of checking if the main account has been banned from your server you will punish everyone.[/QUOTE] Wait what you're seriously thinking that someone who cheats in Rust uses family share for legit purposes? You're probably the most naive person I've seen on this thread. Even your previous post made me facepalm, do you even think before you post something in this thread? Simple answer to your question "why would he hack on stream": He thought he would get away with it and he probably still thinks that.

[QUOTE=Falxhor;45501162]Wait what you're seriously thinking that someone who cheats in Rust uses family share for legit purposes? You're probably the most naive person I've seen on this thread. Even your previous post made me facepalm, do you even think before you post something in this thread? Simple answer to your question "why would he hack on stream": He thought he would get away with it and he probably still thinks that.[/QUOTE] I'm not here to defeat your strawman army.

[QUOTE=Sally;45508570]I'm not here to defeat your strawman army.[/QUOTE] I think suggesting he is setting a strawman argument is giving him more credit than he deserves, he just misunderstood you and didn't follow the discussion accurately. However you're playing the devils advocate to a fault, and that's why he's criticizing you.

[QUOTE=Skinnynaut;45495115]Very true as far as traditional hacks are concerned. Which is one of the reasons I consider it much more likely that he was using an anti-recoil macro - believes it isn't cheating - and only did so very briefly during stream.[/QUOTE] He is not using a recoil macro. Macros are a preset line of script/code, they can not counter horizontal random number generation. So that would make one wonder why would he show the video in the first place and that can be answered with one of the three following answers. 1. He really is legit and can predict the algorithm used for the random number generation based off extreme levels of luck and skill. 2. He knows that the majority of players out there truly have no knowledge of how the game's mechanics work which can cause the true answer to be lost in a sea of disagreement. 3. Bluff

Every time I see this thread I imagine someone singing Rod Stewart's "Do you think I'm sexy?" but redone with the lyrics "Do you think I'm hacking?"

[QUOTE=MrScratch;45509725]He is not using a recoil macro. Macros are a preset line of script/code, they can not counter horizontal random number generation. So that would make one wonder why would he show the video in the first place and that can be answered with one of the three following answers. 1. He really is legit and can predict the algorithm used for the random number generation based off extreme levels of luck and skill. 2. He knows that the majority of players out there truly have no knowledge of how the game's mechanics work which can cause the true answer to be lost in a sea of disagreement. 3. Bluff[/QUOTE] Macros exist for Rust (and lots of other FPS, too), whatever you might think. Google it.

[QUOTE=Sally;45508570]I'm not here to defeat your strawman army.[/QUOTE] ironically, a strawman argument is also called an Aunt Sally in england;)