I love coming to these posts only to read the goldies responses. They all act like they are higher beings and are facepunch forums gift to this community. I get sick of seeing the same 10 people with gold names responding to these threads with witty half brained responses. I sure wish I had nothing better to do than boost my post count on a forum. "Oh I paid for a gold name so I can say and do what I want on these forums." That's the attitude you lot put off.
The game is not your game
You are not entitled to a specific style of product
You do not get a say in the development process
Facepunch Studios knows more than you about game development
Conclusion
well i dont care what you calmly did, fact is more dedication towards getting cheaters banned needs to be done first on the list. And with your logic they need to leave it client side so the can find the cheats and bugs? make it server side will be still be cheaters 100% sure. Best idea to me would be get the cheats themselves and reverse engineer them seems like a smarter approach to me.
[QUOTE=Jerology;43980852]I love coming to these posts only to read the goldies responses. They all act like they are higher beings and are facepunch forums gift to this community.[/QUOTE]
Some of the shittiest posters I've seen are Blue members you know.
That being said some golds are an embarrassment yes but please don't judge us because someone who is an arrogant tard decided to buy old or was given it or something (not saying anyone here is)
[QUOTE=J!NX;43980864]Some of the shittiest posters I've seen are Blue members you know.
That being said some golds are an embarrassment yes but please don't judge us because someone who is an arrogant tard decided to buy old or was given it or something (not saying anyone here is)[/QUOTE]
Most of it's childish un needed banter from the same group of golds. You cant deny it.
[QUOTE=GimmickDinger;43980844]I just think the game should be made playable first.[/QUOTE]
i don't play rust or anything but last time i checked the entire objective of an early access alpha is basically free bug reporting. creating the game comes before polishing the user experience... pretty much always?
[QUOTE=Jerology;43980877]Most of it's childish un needed banter from the same group of golds. You cant deny it.[/QUOTE]
Ironic how unneeded banter is coming from you, a non gold
gets you thinking doesn't it?
gold doesn't really mean shit
[QUOTE=GimmickDinger;43980844]I'd love to see some more game development. I just think the game should be made playable first.[/QUOTE]
Those two statements are a contradiction in terms and demonstrate you don't understand what an alpha really is.
[QUOTE=GimmickDinger;43980844]My point was that they need to hire one or two more people. They clearly can afford to do it. I'm not saying I expect hacking to disappear right away. Developing the anti cheat takes time. Until it is done a stopgap measure would be great. I'm saying with the slightest amount of moderation the game would be 1000x more playable.[/QUOTE]
Oh, look, this argument again. I'm going to tell you this short and simple. It doesn't work that way. Adding an extra person on staff does not correspond to 1 full person's worth of productivity unless you're very lucky.
Throwing more warm bodies at a problem is never the solution unless the problem is that your dogpile doesn't have enough people in it, or you're fighting a land war in Asia. You've got to hire the right person, and then that person has to spend some time learning how everything is set up and getting up to speed, and then you've got a ton of overhead and lost productivity helping them get integrated and working nicely with everyone.
And if they turn out to be a clueless fuckwad that lied about his qualifications, that could actually set development [I]back[/I] by taking up time having to clean up his messes.
Besides, if the solution was to throw money and bodies at the game, Battlefield 4 would be so legendary nobody would give half a shit about Rust because we'd all be playing BF4. How'd that work out?
you spend to much time being "gold" and less time actually playing the game you don't even know what happens in game. FIX the hax GG.
[QUOTE=maniac0586;43980903]you spend to much time being "gold" and less time actually playing the game you don't even know what happens in game. FIX the hax GG.[/QUOTE]
little known fact: gold members are required to spend time pumping a footpedal a certain number of hours a day to remain gold. this clearly translates to less time available for other activities
[QUOTE=J!NX;43980887]Ironic how unneeded banter is coming from you, a non gold
gets you thinking doesn't it?
gold doesn't really mean shit[/QUOTE]
Your only responding because your one of them. Yoou have nothing better to do than act like Garry's little back seat driver. Keep it up, maybe some day he will slap a star on your helmet. The lot of you are all a bunch of little tit sucking wannabe mods. Keep posting away and making your little 2 line witty responses to all of the concerned members who paid for this game just like you did (or didnt). You act as if they have no say and showing concern is a crime here. Get used to it and stop trying to white knight for the staff team. They are adults and know how to handle things.
[QUOTE=Jerology;43980910]Your only responding because your one of them. Yoou have nothing better to do than act like Garry's little back seat driver. Keep it up, maybe some day he will slap a star on your helmet.[/QUOTE]
I didn't buy gold or have it bought for me, and I don't really see what my gold status has to do with anything.
You can shit post whether or not you have gold. Gold doesn't automatically make you important lol. Kind of like what you're doing now.
well being "gold" is to nerdy for me. i like to play and not get cheated on, stop defending the game/devs. its a problem admit it.
[QUOTE=Jerology;43980910]Your only responding because your one of them. Yoou have nothing better to do than act like Garry's little back seat driver. Keep it up, maybe some day he will slap a star on your helmet.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Jerology;43980877]Most of it's childish un needed banter from the same group of golds. You cant deny it.[/QUOTE]
Blues
golds
you both shitpost
[QUOTE=J!NX;43980928]I didn't buy gold or have it bought for me, and I don't really see what my gold status has to do with anything.
You can shit post whether or not you have gold. Gold doesn't automatically make you important lol. Kind of like what you're doing now.[/QUOTE]
I edited my last post for you since your to dumb to figure out the logic behind it.
[highlight](User was banned for this post ("Dumb trolling. Also "your to dumb" learn some grammar." - postal))[/highlight]
[QUOTE=Jerology;43980964]I edited my last post for you since your to dumb to figure out the logic behind it.[/QUOTE]
too*
Also, you seem a bit jealous there or perhaps I'm being entirely bent all out of shape, mate. Bullies at your middleschool keep taking your gold-money away from ya?
[QUOTE=Jerology;43980910]Your only responding because your one of them. Yoou have nothing better to do than act like Garry's little back seat driver. Keep it up, maybe some day he will slap a star on your helmet. The lot of you are all a bunch of little tit sucking wannabe mods. Keep posting away and making your little 2 line witty responses to all of the concerned members who paid for this game just like you did (or didnt). You act as if they have no say and showing concern is a crime here. Get used to it and stop trying to white knight for the staff team. They are adults and know how to handle things.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Jerology;43980964]I edited my last post for you since your to dumb to figure out the logic behind it.[/QUOTE]
My previous posts were actually useful and related to
now you're just shit posting to try and "Call out" golds, with, lol, guess what, childish unneeded banter. I'm not trying to white knight anyone, I'm just trying to correct you.
also, "You're too dumb"... what fucking irony... oh wait. ahahaah! you can't even spell. Even blue members think that you are shit posting. Please don't generalize me with the rest of the golds though that's pretty stupid of you.
[QUOTE=maniac0586;43980929]well being "gold" is to nerdy for me. i like to play and not get cheated on, stop defending the game/devs. its a problem admit it.[/QUOTE]
We acknowledge that hacking is a problem. I don't think anyone's arguing against that. There are specific reasons why hacking in Rust is so easy right now, and they can be boiled down to "because it's alpha and fairly early alpha at that." This will change in the future.
Where the arguments happen is when you guys get your entitlement whine on and a) insult the devs by saying they're doing nothing about hackers and need to do more, and b) insist that this become the highest priority of all in order to satisfy you.
You are actually expecting too much. You need to readjust your expectations.
[QUOTE=Jerology;43980964]I edited my last post for you since your to dumb to figure out the logic behind it.[/QUOTE]
"your to dumb" :v:
Anyway, are you done complaining about shitposting by shitposting? You're derailing this topic to complain about other users posting off-topic derailing posts. And doing a terrible job at it.
[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;43980983]We acknowledge that hacking is a problem. I don't think anyone's arguing that.
Where the arguments happen is when you guys get your entitlement whine on and a) insult the devs by saying they're doing nothing about hackers and need to do more, and b) insist that this become the highest priority of all in order to satisfy you.
You are actually expecting too much. You need to readjust your expectations.
"your to dumb" :v:
Anyway, are you done complaining about shitposting by shitposting? You're derailing this topic to complain about other users posting off-topic derailing posts. And doing a terrible job at it.[/QUOTE]
Same shit in every post. I see about 8-10 of you stroking each others egos feeding off each others 1 liners. I'll be on my way now.
[QUOTE=Jerology;43980990]Same shit in every post. I see about 8-10 of you stroking each others egos feeding off each others 1 liners. I'll be on my way now.[/QUOTE]
V see here V
[QUOTE=KoyaGhost;43980977]too*
Also, you seem a bit jealous there or perhaps I'm being entirely bent all out of shape, mate. Bullies at your middleschool keep taking your gold-money away from ya?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Jerology;43980910]Your only responding because your one of them. Yoou have nothing better to do than act like Garry's little back seat driver. Keep it up, maybe some day he will slap a star on your helmet.[/QUOTE]
Shut up.
You're being called out because you're a moron, not because of any Gold Member elitism. If you put some effort into thinking and posting like an actual human being, maybe you wouldn't so consistently get the short and shitty end of the stick.
[QUOTE=Jerology;43980852]I love coming to these posts only to read the goldies responses. They all act like they are higher beings and are facepunch forums gift to this community. I get sick of seeing the same 10 people with gold names responding to these threads with witty half brained responses. I sure wish I had nothing better to do than boost my post count on a forum. "Oh I paid for a gold name so I can say and do what I want on these forums." That's the attitude you lot put off.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Jerology;43980964]I edited my last post for you since your to dumb to figure out the logic behind it.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Jerology;43980990]Same shit in every post. I see about 8-10 of you stroking each others egos feeding off each others 1 liners. I'll be on my way now.[/QUOTE]
It looks like you just came here to flame and troll and bitch about people who are supporting Facepunch. You haven't even bothered to chime in with any thoughts whatsoever on what this actual thread was about.
I'll reiterate what I already posted though. The game is in Alpha and the top priority for the developers should be to "develop" the game.
They have already caught countless cheaters with VAC and 5000+ initially and counting with their implementation of Cheatpunch. How exactly is that ignoring the problem? It would be a waste of their time at this point to personally investigate individual reports of players cheating. VAC & Cheatpunch have been doing a better job (and automated at that) combined than anti-cheat measures I've seen in many other games. Additionally, it is highly likely they are gathering data on the cheats that players are using who haven't been banned yet for future ban waves.
[QUOTE=GimmickDinger;43980559]I have 300 hours logged in to rust.[/QUOTE]
From this comment I can make two assumptions:
1) You love this game actually, and 20$ for 300hours is good value for money, therefore stop crying coz 0.066$ per hour of gameplay is really cheap.
2) You are a complete idiot, you sank 300 hours into something that wasn't fun and now you're here crying about it, you should have stopped at 10hours and waited from more progress from the dev's
[QUOTE=maniac0586;43980929]well being "gold" is to nerdy for me. i like to play and not get cheated on, stop defending the game/devs. its a problem admit it.[/QUOTE]
Hi, I'm not a gold member but I have been on here since before Rust was a thing.
There is literally no preferential treatment or advantage to being gold besides the bigger/animated avatar and access to the gold forums. Anyone can become gold by paying for it (or by having a high enough post count before 2006/07/08-ish).
The issue that people who were around before Rust have with the people who are just joining now is about the issue of entitlement. When you buy into a game in a early-access alpha state, you are expected to realise that the game isn't in a finished or developed state at that time. Think about the difference between when Minecraft was first in alpha versus where it is now (no weather, no biomes, no blocks besides grass, dirt, stone and water, only basic tools, no monsters besides zombies and the only animals were pigs and there was no health bar or sprinting or potions or ender dragon or nether, or anything really). In fact, think about what minecraft was like before alpha, Minecraft Classic, which was just a simple block building game with no premise or survival elements whatsoever.
Rust is arguably at that stage right now. The game is being actively developed and constantly updated with new features that may drastically change the game. Considering the game hasn't even been out for a year yet, a year from now you might not even recognize it. With that in mind, the main issue people are complaining about are hackers. Garry and his team have released updates and are continuing to work towards a hacker-free build of the game. Thousands of people have already been banned but there are simply so many people hacking that they haven't gotten around to banning them all yet. They simply cannot ban people based on reports since that is so prone to abuse it's not even funny, and yet people continue to post reports DEMANDING that offenders be banned despite it being made very clear that things don't work that way and that facepunch forum mods don't have the power to ban people within games (outside the forums). The only way to effectively deal with large amounts of hackers is by systematically working through the codebase and looking for ways to detect hacks that are using exploits as a way to automatically ban them. The facepunch team is delligently working through this as fast as they can and it really isn't reasonable for people with no experience in programming to essentially try to whip them and say "go faster!" when it really isn't helping anyone. It is certainly possible in the near-future that hacking in Rust will be the exception not the rule but until that time comes, will you please stop attacking facepunch mods and users who have nothing to do with the development of the game? And will you please stop attacking the developers who are already working hard to fix the problem? You really have no right to complain when you bought a in-development game that the developers are still developing. If I were you, I'd save my breath until the facepunch team stops working on the game when it is half-finished and still full of hackers, but given Garry's track record of supporting his other game for almost 8 years, I don't think you'll need to worry about that.
reset the server every 24 hours and the problem is solved. There will be no cheaters will not be sorry for your items. Stay the only true testers
[QUOTE=Monomach;43981118]reset the server every 24 hours and the problem is solved. There will be no cheaters will not be sorry for your items. Stay the only true testers[/QUOTE]
This will not stop any hackers since they can still come on any moment and cause chaos at will
[editline]fun fact ive edited this post like eight times now god fuck i am a bad at englsshdsasafd[/editline]
Honestly the system that FP's got at the moment is very slow, but very effective and very accurate at punishing hackers.
i'm still seeing people banned daily on our server by the cheatpunch i have to say well done a massive amount of hackers have been banned and i look forward to what the game brings in the future.
i would rather they take time to improve the game like they are doing instead of rushing it and causing more problems ;)
[QUOTE=Redswandir;43981147]This will not stop any hackers since they can still come on any moment and cause chaos at will
[editline]fun fact ive edited this post like eight times now god fuck i am a bad at englsshdsasafd[/editline]
Honestly the system that FP's got at the moment is very slow, but very effective and very accurate at punishing hackers.[/QUOTE]
Will not mind losing your stuff. It will not be like the soul cries. But cheatpunch will continue to evolve. The game will continue to evolve.
People like TS can quickly convince people that the server is full of cheaters and that play there useless.
[editline]20th February 2014[/editline]
I'm not afraid to lose things so I do not pay attention to the cheaters. I'm just waiting for when they are banned. Waiting waiting waiting ... read the forum, play, waiting again. I think a lot of play as well. Do you think the players nerves of steel and they can wait forever? RUST competitors are not asleep!
[editline]20th February 2014[/editline]
but in general, it's just a joke. Brainstorming.
They don't need to get anything straight. They're making a game and they're letting you play it during the DEVELOPMENT TIMES. You owe them, not the other way around.
Gimmick: They've already mentioned before that they don't ban people straight away. They spot the hackers, get their proof and add them to a list. Then they batch ban all at once at a RANDOM LATER DATE.
[U]For those that don't know I'll explain why using this scenario[/U]:
. Say I'm a hacker and I make a cheating program that gives me wood and stone.
I use it to get a million wood. Nothing happens. Cool it worked. Use it to get a million stone, WHAM! VAC banned. AHA! So the stone hack had a flaw and was detected, let's work on that. THe hacker could then debug his hack to improve the stone cheat as that was detected.
. Now if VAC didn't insta-ban the hacker like it does now, he thinks the stone hack worked as well. The hack program spreads like wild fire and everyone has wood and stone aplenty. VAC continues to freely spot all the hackers and cheaters. Then after a time has passed they ban-stick the lot. None of them know exactly what got them banned but they all know they were cheating sods.
The only real reason that there are so many hackers in Rust is that it's popular and growing. Popular games attract more cheaters than pacman for obvious reasons. They want to look 'awesome' in front of others no matter how they got there. Systems are in place to nail them and you have to let them do it at the pace they have set.
[B]Back on Topic:[/B] The game engine is still in it's infant stage. (alpha as pointed out MANY times). A LOT has still got to be done and the Devs are working on all the new stuff whether we can see it or not. We might only see some minor cosmetic surface stuff being added but the game has grown from 468mb when I first installed to a 1gb in size. Same map and almost all the same models. That's ~500mb of [U]functional code[/U]. I wouldn't call that dragging their heels. I'd call that a LOT of bloody hard work. A lot of the initial bugs I've experienced, reported/confirmed with extra details where I could HAVE already been fixed.
Yes, they don't respond to all the threads on the forum and I'm glad that they don't. I'd rather they keep coding and spend the time improving the game.
Personally, I haven't seen/experienced any of the hacking going on, on the server I'm on. Seems like you've just been unlucky in server choices so far.
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