[QUOTE=jonnymad;43347690]Could be, all I know is that he doesn't cheat.[/QUOTE]
The COD team did a funny job with their implementation of VAC. They can choose what they want VAC to look at as possible cheats. The COD team decided to protect nearly ALL of the assets. I think this was to make sure people didn't use skins or textures on maps that might make it easier to see other players, objectives, etc. So it's very strict because of this.
When it comes to COD, it's more about modifying client files that triggered the ban for the majority of users out there. Keep in mind that most of those modifications were not made to gain an advantage in most users cases but they still modified the game and they don't want people doing that.
However, you don't KNOW if someone is cheating or not. You are not them. Don't always assume people are not cheating. VAC isn't a perfect system, they have made mistakes in the past. However, if someone is banned I can say 99.9999999~% of the time it's a justified ban. The other fraction of a % will get their ban removed because chances are it affects more than just them. It's easy for a tech to look in the DB and see exactly why someone was banned. "Oh, look! User xXxSNiPeR13yoxXx was flagged as cheating, VAC detected the signature of a known aimbot mod." It looks for KNOWN cheats or modified memory in certain areas of the game to ensure some functions don't get tampered with. If the check fails then you're cheating or modifying the client in some way. Simple as that.
In the example of COD, that was a choice of EA. They wanted to VAC ban anyone that made modifications to their client. It sucks, but that's what people get for buying from EA. Not VAC's fault, it did what it was told to do. This is also why players should not be banned across the board for a VAC violation on one game.
[QUOTE=Th3St0rm;43347838]Never used hacks, but I got tons of reports for a shot like that.[/QUOTE]
You can't get banned by being "reported".
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[QUOTE=Bad HAL 9000;43347852]
In the example of COD, that was a choice of EA. They wanted to VAC ban anyone that made modifications to their client. It sucks, but that's what people get for buying from EA. Not VAC's fault, it did what it was told to do. This is also why players should not be banned across the board for a VAC violation on one game.[/QUOTE]
Activision created CoD, not EA.
[QUOTE=Bumrang;43347861]
Activision created CoD, not EA.[/QUOTE]
You couldnt be more wrong!
Neither Activision nor EA created CoD.
[B]Infinity Ward created CoD.[/B] It was and still is [B]published[/B] by Activision.
I don't think vac bans work fast enough. A guy can cheat for weeks pass off gear to friends or second accounts before getting banned. My suggestion to you garry is don't put game security on the back end I've seen it kill so many good games in the past. You could make the best game out there and still have it fail if you don't handle these situations quickly.
[QUOTE=luck^eh;43346837]Why does this game allow people with prior VAC bans to play?
If they've already been VAC banned for something else, but you're saying they're going to be VAC banned for cheating here, then why not disallow VAC banned players from playing?
I'm sick of getting aimbotted by previously VAC banned players that this game doesn't prevent from playing here.[/QUOTE]
420Bluntz is a hacker clan and should all be banned. All of them that I have checked except for 1 guy has all had previous VAC Bans and I totally agree with you they should not be able to play official servers at the least.
[QUOTE=J!NX;43347240]it says
2 VAC ban(s) on record
1003 day(s) since last ban
on that account
what?
CoD implimented it very terribly
if you change ANY of the files on CoD you get vac banned, even if you change some settings
there has even been times where thousands of people were vac banned at once in MW2 I believe. It was corrected, but what if it wasn't?[/QUOTE]
As I recall, there was also a HL1 mod which erroneously was detected as a cheat by VAC. When I say mod, I mean a Hidden/Natural Selection/early g-mod type mod which had an online component. Thousands of people were VAC banned for playing it, despite not using a cheat or hack. Valve later rescinded the bans and erased the record from everyone's profile, but it goes to show that the system is not fool-proof.
[QUOTE=Christauff;43348459]420Bluntz is a hacker clan and should all be banned. All of them that I have checked except for 1 guy has all had previous VAC Bans and I totally agree with you they should not be able to play official servers at the least.[/QUOTE]
do you even know anything about vac? lol
[QUOTE=Bumrang;43347861]You can't get banned by being "reported".
[editline]29th December 2013[/editline]
Activision created CoD, not EA.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=ChYph3r;43348138]You couldnt be more wrong!
Neither Activision nor EA created CoD.
[B]Infinity Ward created CoD.[/B] It was and still is [B]published[/B] by Activision.[/QUOTE]
Herp derp. You're right, I had a retard moment. I even knew better.
Anyone that legitimately thinks you should be banned from ALL VAC secured games with a ban on one game is being closed-minded. I have a VAC ban on my profile from using CheatEngine to speedhack in Chivalry. I did this in a basically empty server one night, with my brothers while we had some drinks. Later, I received a VAC ban.
Was it worth it? Ask yourself... have you ever been Goku? I have.
Would the punishment fit that crime? I hardly doubt it.
Yes I know a lot about VAC, doesn't mean I have to agree with it. I have my opinion as you do yours.
Okay, a lot of people don't quite seem to understand how VAC works. [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valve_Anti-Cheat#Delayed_bans.2C_criticism_and_rationale"]Here's the relevant section of the Wikipedia article.[/URL] To sum it up, VAC has only have one occasion where users were manually banned, and it was due to players using a very serious exploit that was leaked from Valve. There are, however, instances of false-positives, but if I recall correctly, a majority of the bans were lifted. (There isn't a lot of information about whether or not Valve lifted the bans on a lot of the Wikipedia page.)
I would also like to just note this part from the article:
[QUOTE]It uses heuristics to detect possible cheats when scanning the computers memory, an incident report is created whenever an anomaly is detected, which is then analyzed by Valve's engineers. The engineers inspect the code and may also run it on their own copies of the game. If the code is confirmed as a cheat, it is added to the database of cheat codes. New detections are also compared to previous detections in this database.[/QUOTE]
[B]TL;DR: Employees manually add every single VAC detected cheat, and there has only been one instance of manual VAC bans in the past, for a serious reason. There have been several false-positives, but most of the resulting bans were lifted.
[/B]
So, if your "friend" told you they weren't actually hacking, and they received a VAC ban, there is an extremely small chance they aren't lying to you.
If you cheat you should be banned from anything Steam full stop :). Be good kids and dont cheat!
[QUOTE=produno;43349004]If you cheat you should be banned from anything Steam full stop :). Be good kids and dont cheat![/QUOTE]
Wow, that sounds like a great way for Valve to make money!
/sarcasm
[QUOTE=CoolOppo;43349014]Wow, that sounds like a great way for Valve to make money!
/sarcasm[/QUOTE]
Of course. They will need a new account and have to rebuy all their games :).
We recently had some hackers on our server Aimbotting and Dupeing items and we had to manualy take care of the problem. I wont name or shame anyone but we looked up their Steam profile and they have a record of being banned.
VAC banned people should lose all beta/alpha testing privileges on Steam. This should be made a rule as betas are rather common on Steam nowadays (eg. DOTA2 not long ago).
But this thread belongs on Valve forums, not here. I believe Facepunch can't do anything to prevent VAC banned people from playing.
[QUOTE=Fartein;43349091]We recently had some hackers on our server Aimbotting and Dupeing items and we had to manualy take care of the problem. I wont name or shame anyone but we looked up their Steam profile and they have a record of being banned.[/QUOTE]
Exactly. Ban them from steam completely. No one likes a cheat. I guarantee they wont cheat again on their new account.
[QUOTE=Ananda;43349115]VAC banned people should lose all beta/alpha testing privileges on Steam. This should be made a rule as betas are rather common on Steam nowadays (eg. DOTA2 not long ago).
But this thread belongs on Valve forums, not here. I believe Facepunch can't do anything to prevent VAC banned people from playing.[/QUOTE]
Why? I don't see your reasoning behind this. For instance, If you get kicked out of a bar for being too drunk, you should never be allowed to go into any bar ever again? On top of that, you are never allowed to drink again?
Doesn't make any sense.
You won't get banned in this game, look at the freaking online hacks for it - [url]http://www.ilikecheats.com[/url]
[QUOTE=TheWoozle;43349149]Why? I don't see your reasoning behind this. For instance, If you get kicked out of a bar for being too drunk, you should never be allowed to go into any bar ever again? On top of that, you are never allowed to drink again?
Doesn't make any sense.[/QUOTE]
Hmm, a little different dont you think? But where im from yes thats how it works, though not the drinking part :).
Sometimes you have to be harsh to prove a point. The same reason they should bring back the death sentence in England. You do the crime you pay the ultimate price.
[QUOTE=produno;43349129]Exactly. Ban them from steam completely. No one likes a cheat. I guarantee they wont cheat again on their new account.[/QUOTE]
I bet no one will use steam either as well
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[QUOTE=produno;43349274]Hmm, a little different dont you think? But where im from yes thats how it works, though not the drinking part :).
Sometimes you have to be harsh to prove a point. The same reason they should bring back the death sentence in England. You do the crime you pay the ultimate price.[/QUOTE]
Ok this guy's clearly too young and ignorant to understand the world around him
move along guys
(except that the death sentence has led to tons of innocent people getting killed for nothing. lmao)
that's honestly a pretty sick example too
I am trying to get the guys that run the server I play on to stop publicly giving out the IP address and do invite only based on application and review of their steam account.
[QUOTE=produno;43349274]
Sometimes you have to be harsh to prove a point. The same reason they should bring back the death sentence in England. You do the crime you pay the ultimate price.[/QUOTE]
What the fuck?
[QUOTE=J!NX;43349314]I bet no one will use steam either as well
[editline]29th December 2013[/editline]
Ok this guy's clearly too young and ignorant to understand the world around him
move along guys
(except that the death sentence has led to tons of innocent people getting killed for nothing. lmao)
that's honestly a pretty sick example too[/QUOTE]
Care to explain instead of making accusations? You say im too ignorant then you say its a pretty sick example, surely that shows your too ignorant to understand the worlds not perfect and some things should be dealt with firmly as to not encourage it further.
If people decide not to use steam because they can get banned from cheating then they obviously intend to cheat, so its done its job :).
[QUOTE=produno;43349563]Care to explain instead of making accusations? You say im too ignorant then you say its a pretty sick example, surely that shows your too ignorant to understand the worlds not perfect and some things should be dealt with firmly as to not encourage it further.
If people decide not to use steam because they can get banned from cheating then they obviously intend to cheat, so its done its job :).[/QUOTE]
you're literally using a jackhammer for a hammers job when you just immediately permaban 100% of all people who are vac banned
and I don't even feel like explaining why death sentence is bad and why it was fucked up to say that as an example.
and what an insane generalization, something tells me if you were a politic you'd support insane dystopian law.
[QUOTE=produno;43349563]Care to explain instead of making accusations? You say im too ignorant then you say its a pretty sick example, surely that shows your too ignorant to understand the worlds not perfect and some things should be dealt with firmly as to not encourage it further.
If people decide not to use steam because they can get banned from cheating then they obviously intend to cheat, so its done its job :).[/QUOTE]
You say it as if to imply that people cannot change. That's really a bold accusation, by the way.
[QUOTE=Bumrang;43349491]What the fuck?[/QUOTE]
I guess i shouldnt post this kind of thing on a forum full of babies. I apologise for hurting your innocent minds :).
[QUOTE=produno;43349589]I guess i shouldnt post this kind of thing on a forum full of babies. I apologise for hurting your innocent eyes :).[/QUOTE]
No one is being a baby, it was just a repulsive example...
[QUOTE=Stan;43349589]I guess i shouldnt post this kind of thing on a forum full of babies. I apologise for hurting your innocent eyes :).[/QUOTE]
[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRSYhLn4RCI"]what are you like 13?[/URL]
[QUOTE=jonnymad;43349596]No one is being a baby, it was just a repulsive example...[/QUOTE]
Its repulsive? Yet you as an American still have capital punishment in 37 states? The point is its un doable. The same as it should be on steam for cheating.
Im not saying its a catch all situation but capital punishment is only used for the worst of crimes, hence the example.
Its also quite ironic the ones complaining about my so called vulgar example are all Americans who seemingly condone the notion..
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