It's not a freaking raid if you do it while everyone is offline. - Rust

[QUOTE=iamcpc;43648615]you just got done saying that what you bring to the house does not affect if it's a raid or not. yet you ignore, that in every definition i've given and every definition that you have given, it does mater what you have. YOU HAVE TO BE ARMED.[/QUOTE] No one is ignoring that, iampc. That's my problem. You keep going back to the definition of raiding and ignoring the definition of burglary, despite it being listed multiple times. Please, reread the thread.

Is there anybody inside my fridge when I raid it? I sure as hell hope not.

[QUOTE=Scynix;43648625]No one is ignoring that, iampc. That's my problem. You keep going back to the definition of raiding and ignoring the definition of burglary, despite it being listed multiple times. Please, reread the thread.[/QUOTE] I understand the definition of both words very well. You seem to not understand that vikings can raid an empty villiage. that you can raid an empty house in rust. that police can raid an empty house. The difference between raiding and buglarizing an empty house/village and only buglarizing an empty house/village is that a raid is a suprise attack by ARMED (meaning that you are bringing guns or other weapons) forces.

[QUOTE=Praxius;43648635]Is there anybody inside my fridge when I raid it? I sure as hell hope not.[/QUOTE] Since you own the fridge, I'm not really sure what you'd classify that as to be honest. You can't steal from something you own. And you certainly aren't coming armed to the fridge... at least I hope not! :P [editline]23rd January 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=iamcpc;43648645]I understand the definition of both words very well. You seem to not understand that vikings can raid an empty villiage. that you can raid an empty house in rust. that police can raid an empty house.[/QUOTE] All of those things have been answered no less than four times in this thread. Posting it again and again doesn't change the fact it's been answered already. Please, feel free to read it again at your leisure.

I can't believe that all are arguing over a technicality. Either way we get the point and the first post had humor in it! It's just not classy to Burglraid. It's easy and rewarding. I've done it but I hope they fortify homes and/or players for when they aren't online. The really sucky part of being a victim/fresh spawn is that a string of bad luck or poor planning can basically waste 10+ hrs of playing the game, trying to build yourself up. I don't have a large group of friends in game and so far building something of a sizable home has never worked out. So I live remotely and scavenge until i'm strong enough to PvP.

[QUOTE=Scynix;43648617]Because intention has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not its a raid. When you find no one there and begin looting the building, you are burglarizing. You are not engaging an enemy. Also, [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circular_reasoning[/url] Please stop telling everyone else they're reasoning in circles. By ignoring responses (for the fifth time, by the way) to already stated questions, that's exactly -what you're doing-. I know wikipedia is not a legitimate source, but honestly I've had to explain to you five times now that intention has nothing to do with the definitions of EITHER word, and I don't really want to try any harder to find a proper explanation for you.[/QUOTE] Aaaaand I'm done. Intention has EVERYTHING to do with if it's a raid or not. RAID: Assaulting a base with the objective to kill and loot. (take note, the occupants can be, but are not necessarily on-line, you would kill them regardless) Burglar: Assaulting a base with just to steal their stuff. (take note, the occupants can be, but are not necessarily on-line, your only goal is to steal stuff, preferably without the occupant knowing)

[QUOTE=Scynix;43648656] All of those things have been answered no less than four times in this thread. Posting it again and again doesn't change the fact it's been answered already. Please, feel free to read it again at your leisure.[/QUOTE] You seem to not understand that vikings can raid an empty villiage. -never answered that you can raid an empty house in rust. -never answered that police can raid an empty house. -you said "this does not apply" when it clearly does Oh and I read this thread several times and no one explained how vikings could raid a village with the people who live in the village are out hunting.

[QUOTE=louXLII;43648675]I can't believe that all are arguing over a technicality. Either way we get the point and the first post had humor in it! It's just not classy to Burglraid. It's easy and rewarding. I've done it but I hope they fortify homes and/or players for when they aren't online. The really sucky part of being a victim/fresh spawn is that a string of bad luck or poor planning can basically waste 10+ hrs of playing the game, trying to build yourself up. I don't have a large group of friends in game and so far building something of a sizable home has never worked out. So I live remotely and scavenge until i'm strong enough to PvP.[/QUOTE] Haha, yeah. Honestly I wasn't even arguing. It's the same three guys posting again and again. I just find it fascinating how determined they are to deny the *possibility* that they're burglraiding, as you coined it. Spent too many credits in psychology at college, so I can't help myself. If you look closely, I don't even disagree with ANY of them. I never said they weren't raiding- unless we know them on the servers, we can't possibly know. They're arguing the -definition of a word- to the degree that they change its meaning to be "right", in an 'arguement' that has no right or wrong. At no point has anyone placed any kind of negative connotatoin on burglary, but it's almost as if they themselves have been accused of murder!

[QUOTE=Scynix;43648733]Haha, yeah. Honestly I wasn't even arguing. It's the same three guys posting again and again. I just find it fascinating how determined they are to deny the *possibility* that they're burglraiding, [/QUOTE] If I use c4 to break into a base with kevlar and an m4 and there's no one home i'm burgleraiding. Your arguement is that i'm not burgleraiding i'm only being a burgler.

[QUOTE=iamcpc;43648713]You seem to not understand that vikings can raid an empty villiage. -never answered that you can raid an empty house in rust. -never answered that police can raid an empty house. -you said "this does not apply" when it clearly does Oh and I read this thread several times and no one explained how vikings could raid a village with the people who live in the village are out hunting.[/QUOTE] The viking one is just poorly informed on your part. Due to the nature of their "laws", one person per homestead always stayed behind. Always. That means there was always someone there. Unless you're asking about when they would raid other civilizations. Given the time frame these raids occurred and the harshness of life, no one ever left their entire village empty. To even assume that * the entire village * left is just insane. What, the pregnant women and children went out hunting too? Satisfied? The rest has been answered, but you're just ignoring the responses. [editline]23rd January 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=iamcpc;43648751]If I use c4 to break into a base with kevlar and an m4 and there's no one home i'm burgleraiding. Your arguement is that i'm not burgleraiding i'm only being a burgler.[/QUOTE] My "argument" is that the definition of raiding specifically states an enemy force. A house is not an enemy force. You can't change that no matter how much you want to. Without an enemy force, no matter what you bring, you are still burglarizing.

[QUOTE=Scynix;43648755]The viking one is just poorly informed on your part. Due to the nature of their "laws", one person per homestead always stayed behind. Always. That means there was always someone there. Unless you're asking about when they would raid other civilizations. Given the time frame these raids occurred and the harshness of life, no one ever left their entire village empty. To even assume that * the entire village * left is just insane. What, the pregnant women and children went out hunting too? Satisfied? The rest has been answered, but you're just ignoring the responses.[/QUOTE] So you're telling me you honestly believe that it's IMPOSSIBLE for a viking clan to RAID an empty village? So what would you call it if a viking clan attacked an empty village, set it on fire, stole a bunch of stuff and left? non raiding surprise attack by an armed force? So when I ask what about a viking clain raiding an empty village your answer is it would never happen. So when I mention police raiding an empty drug house you say doesn't count.

Hold my beer while I go raid a naked guy in a shelter with a rock.

[QUOTE=iamcpc;43648770]So you're telling me you honestly believe that it's IMPOSSIBLE for a viking clan to RAID an empty village? So when I ask what about a viking clain raiding an empty village your answer is it would never happen. So when I mention police raiding an empty drug house you say doesn't count.[/QUOTE] Impossible? No, Improbable? Yes. If a village with anything worth looting was left abandoned, it would have been looted by common thieves long before vikings ever arrived. I'm not even going to waste time answering your other two inquiries, as they've been answered multiple times. Stop repeating that they haven't been. They have. IAMPC, ITRME, guys, calm down. We get it. You don't think you're burglars. You think you're raiders. That's fine. It's not accurate, but it's fine. You don't have to keep rehashing the same line sixteen times. Look at the OP. Funny x 13Agree Agree x 3Dumb Dumb x 3Disagree Disagree x 1 Exactly what I wanted to state has been stated, and people have both laughed, agreed and disagreed. Calm down guys, no ones going to throw you in Rust jail for your crimes. It's only you two going on this posting spree demanding it's not burglary. We get it. That's fine. You can move on now. [editline]23rd January 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Primeval;43648788]Hold my beer while I go raid a naked guy in a shelter with a rock.[/QUOTE] I've seen this happen MANY times. lol

All of the internet warriors believe its a raid even if you aren't online so clearly it must be true. Probably one of the ridiculous aspects of this game. Right up there with people griefing by putting walls up to block people off because they don't have enough C4 to get to your stash. The argument of, "This happens in real life so thats why it works that way in Rust" is yet another stupid argument made by this community. Last I checked if you come back from "X hours of unconsciousness" you would more than likely be starving for food and/or dead. Why not implement that type of system since we are using this ridiculous argument to justify dumb things in your messiah of a game. Flame away but this game is going to fade into nothingness just like other games that really wanted to push "realism" by piecing together lame elements that will not attract future customers but rather push most away.

[QUOTE=Scynix;43648802]Impossible? No, Improbable? Yes. If a village with anything worth looting was left abandoned, it would have been looted by common thieves long before vikings ever arrived. I'm not even You don't think you're burglars. You think you're raiders. That's fine. It's not accurate, but it's fine. You don't have to keep rehashing the same line sixteen times.[/QUOTE] I thought your original post was funny. I'm just trying to help you better understand our language because you don't seem to understand that you don't have to be home to be raided. If I attack an empty house with kevlar, an M4, and blow the doors open with c4 i am BOTH a burlgar and a RAIDer. Just like if a viking clan attacked an empty village and stole a bunch of stuff they are BOTH burglars and RAIDers. Just like if police take drugs from an empty house it's a RAID. [quote] It's only you two going on this posting spree demanding it's not burglary. We get it. That's fine. You can move on now. [/quote] If you have raid any of my posts i've said that it's both a burglary and a raid.

[QUOTE=iamcpc;43648842]I thought your original post was funny. I'm just trying to help you better understand our language because you don't seem to understand that you don't have to be home to be raided. If I attack an empty house with kevlar, an M4, and blow the doors open with c4 i am BOTH a burlgar and a RAIDer. Just like if a viking clan attacked an empty village and stole a bunch of stuff they are BOTH burglars and RAIDers. Just like if police take drugs from an empty house it's a RAID.[/QUOTE] You're doing it again. You're rehashing answered statements, again. We get it. But being the last person to say it does not make you correct. You've been answered, repeatedly. I'm not going to keep answering the same questions just for you to repeat them again. Please feel free to read ANY of the previous answers.

[QUOTE=Scynix;43648851]You're doing it again. You're rehashing answered statements, again. We get it. But being the last person to say it does not make you correct. You've been answered, repeatedly. I'm not going to keep answering the same questions just for you to repeat them again. Please feel free to read ANY of the previous answers.[/QUOTE] You have never admitted that a viking attack on an empty village in which they steal things is a raid.

[QUOTE=iamcpc;43648770]So you're telling me you honestly believe that it's IMPOSSIBLE for a viking clan to RAID an empty village? So what would you call it if a viking clan attacked an empty village, set it on fire, stole a bunch of stuff and left? non raiding surprise attack by an armed force? So when I ask what about a viking clain raiding an empty village your answer is it would never happen. So when I mention police raiding an empty drug house you say doesn't count.[/QUOTE] just want to point out that a 100% empty village is highly unlikely, and probably was never a case during the viking era. regardless i still would call it a raid.. because other than an "attack" "invasion" "raid" or"plunder" i dont really know what else you would use to describe it. if 100 vikings entered a village, id always call it a raid.. if 1 viking entered a village, id call it a burglary. again, thats just me.

[QUOTE=iamcpc;43648864]You have never admitted that a viking attack on an empty village in which they steal things is a raid.[/QUOTE] Because there would never be a viking attack on an empty village. And if there was, and all they did was steal valuables? It's burglary. The number of individuals involved in the attack has absolutely nothing to do with the act itself. Neither definition imply any kind of numbers. Raids can be performed by one well armed individual, and burglary can be committed by a team. Numbers mean absolutely nothing. Can you please stop rehashing the same question now?

[QUOTE=Scynix;43648656]Since you own the fridge, I'm not really sure what you'd classify that as to be honest. You can't steal from something you own. And you certainly aren't coming armed to the fridge... at least I hope not! :P[/QUOTE] :pwn: It was a joke.... but if you want to get all serious: [url]http://www.thefreedictionary.com/raid[/url] [quote]Raid: Verb 1. to make a raid on. The police raided the gambling club. 2. to take things from. I'm hungry – let's raid the fridge. ..... 4. to sneak into (a place) in order to take something, steal, etc: raiding the larder.[/quote] ^ The term Raid covers many types of actions, one of which is "Sneaking" and taking stuff with little conflict. Or.... [b]12 Reasons You Need to Stop Raiding the Employee Fridge[/b] [url]http://mashable.com/2013/11/01/employee-fridge/[/url] ^ You don't own that fridge. Either way... get over it. Whether someone is around when you do it or not, regardless if you blow your way in or access a hole in their base, you are attempting to take something that is not yours either by force or not. You are entering a territory that is not yours and taking things that are not yours. That's a form of Raiding. Whether you want to nit pick about someone being a burglar is ridiculous. Burglary is a form of Raiding and if a burglary (otherwise known as breaking and entering) goes wrong and someone is there, generally there's a good chance they end up harming or killing the occupant of the place they are breaking into..... if they do this, is it suddenly called a Raid by your standards? Irrelevant, as the person when caught is still charged with burglary / breaking and entering, along with whatever murder charge fits the crime. They don't charge people with "Raiding" Someone could still be home when the person decides to break in and steal stuff, and it's still called burglary. Either way, I don't see what difference it makes and why you care so much. For now on, I'll keep being a Burglar and I'll keep calling it Raiding (because it is) and I'll think of you every time.

[QUOTE=exwnightmare;43648877]just want to point out that a 100% empty village is highly unlikely, and probably was never a case during the viking era. regardless i still would call it a raid.. because other than an "attack" "invasion" "raid" or"plunder" i dont really know what else you would use to describe it. if 100 vikings entered a village, id always call it a raid.. if 1 viking entered a village, id call it a burglary. again, thats just me.[/QUOTE] I agree. but, according to the OP, if a group of armed rust players attack an empty village and steal stuff it's not a raid it's a burglary. When, by definition, it is BOTH.

The popular phrase "raiding the pantry" puts this stupidity to bed. Unless this dead horse needs more beatings, we'll see.

[QUOTE=Scynix;43648900]Because there would never be a viking attack on an empty village. And if there was, and all they did was steal valuables? It's burglary. The number of individuals involved in the attack has absolutely nothing to do with the act itself. Neither definition imply any kind of numbers. Raids can be performed by one well armed individual, and burglary can be committed by a team. Numbers mean absolutely nothing. Can you please stop rehashing the same question now?[/QUOTE] So a viking clan attacks an empty village, steals stuff, destroys the houses with fire, and leaves. not a raid? [editline]23rd January 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=outlawpickle;43648919]The popular phrase "raiding the pantry" puts this stupidity to bed. Unless this dead horse needs more beatings, we'll see.[/QUOTE] I thought a police raid on an empty drug house would put this stupidity to rest. The rebuttal was something along the lines of that does not count.

The most hillarious about this thread gotta be when some of the ppl who want raiding to be the same, is the ones that say well its poorly defended if they aint online 24/7. you do realise that not even pro esport atheletes plays 24/7 and this is not a hardcore competetive game its a casual game, but for some odd retarded reason it requiers ppl to build many structures and smart to keep what they have. (i personally have never had problem keeping my house and my things) But there is some flaws around activity to defend your house, i hope there comes some houses that takes long time to raid, where you have to weld the door/wall for long 20 min. per door then, becuse if you know telling everyone ppl should be Active lets give the ability aswell to make a house to take hours after hours until you get to last room in the house. Not fun aint it to much risk you say? Maybe you should thought about that Before you asked ppl to play 24/7 to defend their homes,look i like the system but there is flaws in it, the funneist thing is to raid when players are online, i have raided houses where no one is online. Its in the game right now, but saying its not flaw is big fucking lie.

So let's then say I break into your place to take things of yours while you are offline.... You then log in halfway through me going through your stuff, I kill you and then flee.... Or I flee before you can attack me.... Or I kill you and destroy your sleeping bag so you spawn somewhere else and then I flee shortly afterwards. Is that a raid? No?? What if I break into your base while you are there and active, I then kill you, destroy your sleeping bag and all your doors, then put up my own doors and call your base my new home? That's not a raid, that's me doing an invasion and occupation..... Yet many players do this and still call it a raid, except players say "They raided and took over my base!" ~ Even though technically that's not a raid. Whatever they call it, I don't care.... Raid is a good term to use to cover just about everything in this game. Simply put, a Raid is when you enter someone else's territory, cause some form of damage and/or take things that are not yours.... And quickly leave. This covers burglary and offensive attacks. The end.

[QUOTE=Praxius;43649120]So let's then say I break into your place to take things of yours while you are offline.... You then log in halfway through me going through your stuff, I kill you and then flee.... Or I flee before you can attack me.... Or I kill you and destroy your sleeping bag so you spawn somewhere else and then I flee shortly afterwards. Is that a raid? No?? What if I break into your base while you are there and active, I then kill you, destroy your sleeping bag and all your doors, then put up my own doors and call your base my new home? That's not a raid, that's me doing an invasion and occupation..... Yet many players do this and still call it a raid, except players say "They raided and took over my base!" ~ Even though technically that's not a raid. Whatever they call it, I don't care.... Raid is a good term to use to cover just about everything in this game. Simply put, a Raid is when you enter someone else's territory, cause some form of damage and/or take things that are not yours.... And quickly leave. This covers burglary and offensive attacks. The end.[/QUOTE] THIS Everyone else shaddup.... Burglary is a part of raiding. Raiding is the breaking and entering part.

This thread is just about being raided/burgled whatever, while offline. Clearly. Ive played this game since the start and have been raided nearly every other day and only ever been online once at the time....and i play most nights. Is there fun in raiding while theyre offline? for awhile maybe but that wont last. Garry mentioned awhile ago, about the defender receiving a txt message when they are raided...

Eh. I thought that raid included both Robber and Burglar? Whatever even that I don't 100% understands what raid means. And this thread opened just for telling people that they are not being the warrior but the coward and claimed themselves as a proud warrior? Something like that? As for me. I think everyone should think like this > I reached my definition that's it and the details/progress doesn't really important. And yeah, I'm a so called burglar in Rust. I purposely waited players went offline only I'll start my burglary. I'm a coward like this post stated and I have no pride. But, why we need to be so third world minded guys. I have pride and I'll wait for the player knew that I'm around only I started my duel of gunshots with him? No man. I swear I'll shoot the guy from behind if I saw someone that I'm not allied with. Or I should say I'll find a route to shoot him from behind rather than just shoot him on sight since I have no confidence or I am too coward to fight him face to face. That why I have no pride and I choose to go into someone's bases while they're gone. But I still got what I wanted and maybe saved some ammos I presume. Don't be so proud minded and it might not that good because others won't treat you in the same way. P.S: My english was very poor and I'm so sorry if you can't understand what I posted.

In another thread I proposed the idea to make the structure owned by a group destroyable (in other word "raidable") only when at least on member of this group is online. Of course this would be an optional feature that could be enabled or not by a server admin. Most people thought it is a bad idea but honestly, the more I think about it the more I think it could make the game more interesting and enjoyable.

[QUOTE=Daze507;43651850]In another thread I proposed the idea to make the structure owned by a group destroyable (in other word "raidable") only when at least on member of this group is online. Of course this would be an optional feature that could be enabled or not by a server admin. Most people thought it is a bad idea but honestly, the more I think about it the more I think it could make the game more interesting and enjoyable.[/QUOTE] Yea, somehow people just don't like to lost all their belongings while they can't defend for it. It's like losing all you get from a long game play and just lost all of them in a few minutes. I think it was good for beginner or newly started player in the server.