Your take on suicide bases. - Rust

Either way, we both lost out to poor admin decisions. The only admin that has any common sense is HighLord. The other admins are biased and corrupt. I made a suicide base and you used a box exploit. Suicide bases are accepted on that server, otherwise we would of not made one. The owner of the server even helped us move before the last server wipe because of other exploiters no clipping through walls to get inside. It states right in the rules of the server that exploiting will get you banned, no exceptions.

[QUOTE=chicken-;44190283]Trust me, there is no way to raid his base by legit means, if so please prove it. It's not the basic one that's posted all over the place where there easy means of jumping on pillars or getting on the ceiling. It's absolutely not possible.[/QUOTE] Just because you think it is not possible doesn't mean it actually is. I'm not going to prove anything to you or reveal my strategies for dealing with suicide base. But I will give some hints: ceilings, pillars, jumping. If you cannot do anything to his base by doing that without glitches/exploit, it means he chose a very good location and there is nothing you can do about it. Better luck next time. [QUOTE=chicken-;44190283]Comparing this to "you have an m4 and I don't" is just ridiculous.[/QUOTE] That is basically what you are saying... you said "Why should you get an unraidable base while others don't?". Let's break it down. You have no suicide base. OP has a suicide base. Both you and OP can build a suicide base. Therefore, you can get a suicide base. Now let's switch "suicide base" for M4. You have no M4. OP has a M4. Both you and OP can build a M4. Therefore, you can get a M4. The logic is exactly the same. You're just sulking that you don't want to bother with building or using a suicide base. Don't put that on other people... I am done posting about this since you are a completely unreasonable person and cannot deal with emergent gameplay.

I checked with the admin before ever using it and he said only in the case of a base where it was unraidable by other means could I use it and get away with it. I'm being blamed for the other bases when I've been completely honest and even recorded the entire thing to prove I did not use "hacks" like you claimed. If anybody can explain how this can be raided by legit means I'm all ears, I will apologize and admit I'm an idiot if anybody can describe a way to raid this without a crate jump. (The SVP thing in the screenshot is my video player (Smooth Video Project), I was accused of hacking once for having that in a screenshot so just FYI lol) [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/0pY8MQl.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/srMiPev.jpg[/IMG] [editline]10th March 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=nakieon;44190351]Just because you think it is not possible doesn't mean it actually is. I'm not going to prove anything to you or reveal my strategies for dealing with suicide base. But I will give some hints: ceilings, pillars, jumping. If you cannot do anything to his base by doing that without glitches/exploit, it means he chose a very good location and there is nothing you can do about it. Better luck next time. That is basically what you are doing... you said "Why should you get an unraidable base while others don't?". Let's break it down. You have no suicide base. OP has a suicide base. Both you and OP can build a suicide base. Therefore, you can get a suicide base. Now let's switch "suicide base" for M4. You have no M4. OP has a M4. Both you and OP can build a M4. Therefore, you can get a M4. The logic is exactly the same. You're just sulking that you don't want to bother with building or using a suicide base. Don't put that on other people... I am done posting about this since you are a completely unreasonable person and cannot deal with emergent gameplay.[/QUOTE] Naw, you're just full of it and cannot raid this base and don't want to admit you're wrong. I could take your stretched logic 1 step further and say "this guy has an aimbot, I don't have one" to every person who whines about being blatantly hacked on?

[QUOTE=chicken-;44190353]I checked with the admin before ever using it and he said only in the case of a base where it was unraidable by other means could I use it and get away with it. I'm being blamed for the other bases when I've been completely honest and even recorded the entire thing to prove I did not use "hacks" like you claimed. If anybody can explain how this can be raided by legit means I'm all ears, I will apologize and admit I'm an idiot if anybody can describe a way to raid this without a crate jump. (The SVP thing in the screenshot is my video player (Smooth Video Project), I was accused of hacking once for having that in a screenshot so just FYI lol) [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/0pY8MQl.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/srMiPev.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] That base has the best possible location as you cannot snap anymore foundations to counter the base design with certain strategies. Better luck next time, seek other bases to raid and stop wasting your time here, you are achieving nothing. [editline]10th March 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=chicken-;44190353]I could take your stretched logic 1 step further and say "this guy has an aimbot, I don't have one" to every person who whines about being blatantly hacked on?[/QUOTE] Classic strawman / twist of words. Neither a suicide base or M4 is an exploit/glitch/hack. Aimbotting is. I am done posting, you are wasting everyone's time while also achieving nothing.

Either you or the admin are lying. Rushmatics claimed he gave you no permissions to exploit into my base. Also you were trying to steal the base and claim it as your own. Don't forget that little piece of information. You were trying to convince the admins and in game chat that it was YOUR base and we were trying to take it from you. So why steal it if its so terrible?

[QUOTE=Vanad;44190000]Who said unraidable was not intended. IMO if everyone can do it it's OK. If someone gains an advantage using outside hacks it's wrong. If it's a glitch it should be reported so it can be fixed. (It is an alpha,we should be helping to fix things)[/QUOTE] Do you honestly want everyone to build suicide bases? They are an exploit and need to be removed.

[QUOTE=BateMaster;44190379]Either you or the admin are lying. Rushmatics claimed he gave you no permissions to exploit into my base. Also you were trying to steal the base and claim it as your own. Don't forget that little piece of information. You were trying to convince the admins and in game chat that it was YOUR base and we were trying to take it from you. So why steal it if its so terrible?[/QUOTE] The plot thickens!!

Yes there is a large box physics exploit that lets you jump up to the third story. It's not hard to do but not many know about it.

[QUOTE=BateMaster;44190379]Either you or the admin are lying. Rushmatics claimed he gave you no permissions to exploit into my base. Also you were trying to steal the base and claim it as your own. Don't forget that little piece of information. You were trying to convince the admins and in game chat that it was YOUR base and we were trying to take it from you. So why steal it if its so terrible?[/QUOTE] lol, first of all it's true I never asked Rush for permission on your base, it was another base with the exact same design but somebody beat me to it. I found your metal one and decided rather than wait for the others to get more loot and hit them a second time, I'd get the guys who were too cowardly to even build in a populated area but hide on the coast on the edge of the map. Second of all the reason we said we were taking over your base was so they wouldn't take our door off and we could get the rest of the loot we lost while being AIMBOTTED by your friend. We didn't want you guys to be able to pick right up where you left off with the remaining gear we didn't get to take because according to the admin, if we had access to all the rooms the base would be considered "ours". That didn't work though, you guys are friends with them so he immediately took my door off. This dates back to a couple days prior when the admin and a couple of his friends blew a door off one of my bases and claimed it was "now theirs" even though half the doors one it were still mine. I never intended to use your base, just didn't want you to be able to use it anymore. I can see the confusion there and respectfully do not blame you for thinking we were going to use it though. Like I said, I get no pleasure in having an unraidable base in a game revolved around raiding. I think defending is the funnest part of the game.

Hacking/Exploiting is a LOT worse than being good at designing houses..

Ah, I just confirmed that me and my Girlfriend are banned from that server by Rushmatics. like I said, the only admin on that server with any brains is HighLord. Rush, Xion, and the other admins had their powers stripped multiple times for abusing them. Assuming its going to happen again. We got banned for "hacker association". I guess that's another reason to never trust another soul on Rust.

[QUOTE]If anybody can explain how this can be raided by legit means I'm all ears, I will apologize and admit I'm an idiot if anybody can describe a way to raid this without a crate jump. (The SVP thing in the screenshot is my video player (Smooth Video Project), I was accused of hacking once for having that in a screenshot so just FYI lol)[/QUOTE] they didn't make their foundations wide enough, if you can place a foundation close to the side you're facing at all you can xmas tree up, bow and arrow down the spike wall and hope onto the pillar then you're in. You could also try getting a ramp to attach to the foundation then build a barricade at an angle and get in the bottom floor, because again, it's not wide enough.

If someone has a youtube channel and wants to host a episode I can show you how you typically get into most of these without the large storage box exploit jump. You need 1 large storage, 2 barricades and 1 small spike wall. This may not work for all, but it works for most. I just don't want to re-install all the recording sofware On another note all they need to do to fix these is make it so large storage boxes have a shorter access range or make it so it does a Y value check, if the person isn't on the same level they can't open the chest. I suspect these will eventually get addressed.

[QUOTE=MMOSlut;44190449]Hacking/Exploiting is a LOT worse than being good at designing houses..[/QUOTE] Youtubing unraidable base design isn't "being good at designing houses" [QUOTE=Mr.Glide;44190479]they didn't make their foundations wide enough, if you can place a foundation close to the side you're facing at all you can xmas tree up, bow and arrow down the spike wall and hope onto the pillar then you're in. You could also try getting a ramp to attach to the foundation then build a barricade at an angle and get in the bottom floor, because again, it's not wide enough.[/QUOTE] Can't place foundations there, and I'm one who believes the "xmas tree" thing is also a glitch and isn't any better than crate jumping. I can't imagine the whole barricade pillar thing is an intended function of the game, others would disagree but either way I'd feel "dirty" using it and some servers ban people for doing that too so it's a double edged sword and the common factor is stupid suicide bases :P Rustypipe wins this thread, I overlooked that simple fix for this. You shouldn't be able to access crates from that far away on the Y axis, nuff said. Garry get on this please.

In regards to the post, the OP is correct, exploiting/hacking is far worse than building a good base, even if it is unraidable/ or what you may consider unethical, where in life does it say its ethical to steal from others for your own personal gain through any means possible, that's like saying... it's ethical to rob a bank and kill everyone inside after they open the vault for you... same thing applies here, be a little more logical and respect other people as human beings, not what you believe is okay based on your own opinion, if the admin said the base was fine, you should have took the issue no further, exploiting into a base told to be allowed by the owner should be a bannable offense regardless of the server, that would be like you saying well since I can super jump, I can also make a base in a rock and so on... grow up kid.. please. In Regards to chicken whatever <-

[QUOTE=Rustypipe;44190542]If someone has a youtube channel and wants to host a episode I can show you how you typically get into most of these without the large storage box exploit jump. You need 1 large storage, 2 barricades and 1 small spike wall. This may not work for all, but it works for most. I just don't want to re-install all the recording sofware On another note all they need to do to fix these is make it so large storage boxes have a shorter access range or make it so it does a Y value check, if the person isn't on the same level they can't open the chest. I suspect these will eventually get addressed.[/QUOTE] We know of a work around to a different entry point. Slightly more work, slightly less secure but it works. This other way would not need a transfer box at all.

[QUOTE=BateMaster;44190598]We know of a work around to a different entry point. Slightly more work, slightly less secure but it works. This other way would not need a transfer box at all.[/QUOTE] You know a way to get your goods to the top of the base without a transfer storage box? If its not a storage box the only other way you could do it is with a furnace as they can clip through walls. What was your other workaround? Either way if they put a Y access check on for opening all items(stashes,Furnace,Storage,ect) or a smaller range at least, it would make the suicide bases unusable as you wouldn't be able to get loot into them.

[QUOTE=DixieNormous;44190593]In regards to the post, the OP is correct, exploiting/hacking is far worse than building a good base, even if it is unraidable/ or what you may consider unethical, where in life does it say its ethical to steal from others for your own personal gain through any means possible, that's like saying... it's ethical to rob a bank and kill everyone inside after they open the vault for you... same thing applies here, be a little more logical and respect other people as human beings, not what you believe is okay based on your own opinion, if the admin said the base was fine, you should have took the issue no further, exploiting into a base told to be allowed by the owner should be a bannable offense regardless of the server, that would be like you saying well since I can super jump, I can also make a base in a rock and so on... grow up kid.. please. In Regards to chicken whatever <-[/QUOTE] Actually the admin never said it was fine until afterwards, and had previously said he wouldn't do anything about me superjumping into an identical base elsewhere on the map. Somebody beat me to it and I decided to go after the metal one instead. He changed his stance aftewards. Where in life does it say it's ethical to steal from others for your own personal gain? IT'S THE POINT OF THE GAME, SERIOUSLY?

[QUOTE=Rustypipe;44190634]You know a way to get your goods to the top of the base without a transfer storage box? If its not a storage box the only other way you could do it is with a furnace as they can clip through walls. What was your other workaround?[/QUOTE] Its another completely legit way of doing it. We've done it on a server awhile ago just to test it. No glitching through walls, no transfer boxes/furnaces, no glitching into rocks. Its a way that will never be able to be patched.

I'm assuming you are confusing moderators with the ADMIN, which is short for administrator.... again admin is the owner mods are just their little peons.

[QUOTE=BateMaster;44190662]Its another completely legit way of doing it. We've done it on a server awhile ago just to test it. No glitching through walls, no transfer boxes/furnaces, no glitching into rocks. Its a way that will never be able to be patched.[/QUOTE] Care to share, as I can't see how this can be done without a storage box/furnace ect. If it can't be patched out you have nothing to worry about :) So even if they patched it so you have to be on the same Y access or greatly reduced the range, this work around you speak of would work still?

I'm assuming it's a completely different base design that still uses game mechanics, which are how the game works, not to be confused with exploit jumping

I don't even care anymore Chicken-,51Chicken, BowJackson, or whatever name you use. I know that in the end I'm right and you're a crying kid who cant raid legit. I'm going to avoid RustNation and their corrupt moderators like the plague and find a new server, wasted 2 months of playtime on that server for garbage like you and them to take all the fun out of it. [editline]10th March 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Rustypipe;44190703]Care to share, as I can't see how this can be done without a storage box/furnace ect. If it can't be patched out you have nothing to worry about :) So even if they patched it so you have to be on the same Y access or greatly reduced the range, this work around you speak of would work still?[/QUOTE] I don't wanna sell the golden goose ;) Its a suicide base, completely within the rules of the game as long as server admins allow them.

[QUOTE=BateMaster;44190722]I don't even care anymore Chicken-,51Chicken, BowJackson, or whatever name you use. I know that in the end I'm right and you're a crying kid who cant raid legit. I'm going to avoid RustNation and their corrupt moderators like the plague and find a new server, wasted 2 months of playtime on that server for garbage like you and them to take all the fun out of it.[/QUOTE] I left Rustnation the second P2W was put in. Please share the work around :) the curiosity is killing me now :P

[QUOTE=Mr.Glide;44190479]they didn't make their foundations wide enough, if you can place a foundation close to the side you're facing at all you can xmas tree up, bow and arrow down the spike wall and hope onto the pillar then you're in. You could also try getting a ramp to attach to the foundation then build a barricade at an angle and get in the bottom floor, because again, it's not wide enough.[/QUOTE] There is a way to get from pillar to pillar regardless of how wide the base is, every suicide base design I've seen used is raidable. Did come up with a version that can defeat that technique but handing it out would hurt my raiding :P

[QUOTE=Rustypipe;44190766]I left Rustnation the second P2W was put in. Please share the work around :) the curiosity is killing me now :P[/QUOTE] Yea, I didn't know they even had donations and crap until last night when Rushmatics tried to sell some of my stuff back for a vote on toprustservers and a donation. As for the base, Id have to perfect it alot to make sure it wouldn't be able to be raided. I'm probably going to rent a server again and test out designs.

[QUOTE=AlexConnor;44190788]There is a way to get from pillar to pillar regardless of how wide the base is, every suicide base design I've seen used is raidable. Did come up with a version that can defeat that technique but handing it out would hurt my raiding :P[/QUOTE] all you have to do is build 2 foundations out from the core. the first foundation out pillar all the way up to the ceiling like this guy did, then the second foundation out pillar up were the ceilings would be, then the distance is to far to jump.

A thread by an exploiter complaining about an exploiter. Throw in a hacker friend and grab some popcorn.

[QUOTE=ZombieJesus;44190862]A thread by an exploiter complaining about an exploiter. Throw in a hacker friend and grab some popcorn.[/QUOTE] I know right? I thought I'd get like 3 hits on this post before jackhole-chickenmolester made himself into a moron.

Using game mechanics are far from exploiting anything, spawning at your sleeping bag from dying sounds like a game mechanic to me, I think everyone does that don't they