facepunch_connector_VAC_banned - Rust

[QUOTE=thecowboy09;43672752]I got the same error. I played for about a week, got caught up with work for about a month, and now am banned. Sent in a request to facepunch support. Not holding out much hope. I'd love to know the reasoning behind it. I really enjoyed playing this game, and truly wish to continue. However, everything I've read states that, false positive or not, VAC Bans are permanent. I'll be sad if it can't be appealed.[/QUOTE] the reason is simple, the game is not expensive, so they ban random people, betting that they ll buy it again

[QUOTE=Darht;43679110]the reason is simple, the game is not expensive, so they ban random people, betting that they ll buy it again[/QUOTE] I don't think you know how vac works. It isn't like there is someone sitting there deciding who to ban. It is an automated system. it only bans when it checks and detects hacking. It is in no way premeditated.

[QUOTE=Darht;43679110]the reason is simple, the game is not expensive, so they ban random people, betting that they ll buy it again[/QUOTE] Or the much more likely scenario is that cheaters are being VAC banned.

[QUOTE=J!NX;43678464]are you actually this dumb or shooting for the world record of shit posting?[/QUOTE] Apparently you are dumber than the person you quoted. Clearly sarcasm on the poster's part.

[QUOTE=Zechs;43679405]Apparently you are dumber than the person you quoted. Clearly sarcasm on the poster's part.[/QUOTE] yet Why do I get the feeling he isn't [QUOTE=FocusedWolf;43676973]Using your "cheats are easy to find therefore its ok to drop links to hacker websites on the official rust forum's" logic there would be no issue starting a thread which keeps an uptodate listing of all the latest hacker websites. What the hell lets throw in a list of the latest working hacks as well?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE='[sluggo];43679239'] It isn't like there is someone sitting there deciding who to ban.[/QUOTE] Yes there is, it's this guy. [IMG]http://888chan.org/i/src/136671319932.jpg[/IMG] All kidding aside, he is right. VAC is not a flawed system like everyone is suggesting. There is a method to the madness. If it were to ban instantly, then it would give programmers of the cheats more time to perfect them and make them undetectable. With a delayed banning system, there is no way for them to tell if it is working except when it finally goes through.

In the whole history of VAC it has only gotten something wrong [I]once[/I] with Modern Warfare 2.

[QUOTE=Sadim;43679513]In the whole history of VAC it has only gotten something wrong [I]once[/I].[/QUOTE] It's been more than that, actually. Doesn't matter though, there's no false positive here.

jonnymad, can you please review my case, i really dont care about cheaters, i was banned for no reason, can you check my life and disban me plz?

[QUOTE=Darht;43679956]jonnymad, can you please review my case, i really dont care about cheaters, i was banned for no reason, can you check my life and disban me plz?[/QUOTE] Jon is just a member dude and seriously, vac is permanent, get over it and move or.

guys come on, focus please, i was the one posting and i m the one that should be investigated, i posted my e-mail by thrust in this forum members and now i m getting a ton of spam, including sex content, and till now i didn't see my problem solved, jonnymad u can check me, i m clean, like i said, never used any kind of hack and don't even needed to, i was playing on a modded server that gave me all wood and bullet just by pressing /starter. [editline]26th January 2014[/editline] ok, i ll complain to steam, that was the seller, np, i wont spend my money to get banned in vain!

[QUOTE=Protocol7;43670555]Nobody accused you of this, funny how you go out of your way to deny it right off the bat. You deserved it.[/QUOTE] Well seeing as how VAC stands for Valve Anti-Cheat, I'd say he was accused of cheating.

[QUOTE=Darht;43680028]guys come on, focus please, i was the one posting and i m the one that should be investigated, i posted my e-mail by thrust in this forum members and now i m getting a ton of spam, including sex content, and till now i didn't see my problem solved, jonnymad u can check me, i m clean, like i said, never used any kind of hack and don't even needed to, i was playing on a modded server that gave me all wood and bullet just by pressing /starter. [editline]26th January 2014[/editline] ok, i ll complain to steam, that was the seller, np, i wont spend my money to get banned in vain![/QUOTE] Jonn isn't an admin and clean your fucking ears already [url]https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=7849-Radz-6869[/url] [QUOTE][highlight]Important: All VAC bans are permanent - Valve has a zero-tolerance policy for cheating and will not lift VAC bans under any circumstances.[/highlight][/QUOTE] and not only that but it DOES NOT DETECT "Getting extra wood" it works by detecting if you inject something into the game, such as Cheat engine, or an aimbot, in order to 'hack' the game itself. Things that don't get you banned. 1. Gmod example, LUA cheat codes, they are not injected. 2. Outside programs like macros or scripts 3. Cheating using ingame or scripted cheats via a mod. 4. Bug exploits I've used Gmod radars for years in build servers using LUA and nothing has happened hundreds of thousands have been TP'd and used /starter and have fell off the map. Zero of these people have actually been banned.

[QUOTE=jonnymad;43674284]Eh, fair enough, I don't know shit about the inner workings :v: I've never cheated in an MP game in my life (single player, who hasn't at least once :v:)[/QUOTE] Me. It's like playing monopoly and just moving your piece to wherever you want. WTF is the point?

[QUOTE=Darht;43680028]guys come on, focus please, i was the one posting and i m the one that should be investigated,[B] i posted my e-mail by thrust in this forum members and now i m getting a ton of spam, including sex content[/B], and till now i didn't see my problem solved, jonnymad u can check me, i m clean, like i said, never used any kind of hack and don't even needed to, i was playing on a modded server that gave me all wood and bullet just by pressing /starter. [editline]26th January 2014[/editline] ok, i ll complain to steam, that was the seller, np, i wont spend my money to get banned in vain![/QUOTE] This actually made me laugh :v:

[QUOTE=Protocol7;43670555]Nobody accused you of this, funny how you go out of your way to deny it right off the bat. You deserved it.[/QUOTE] I got banned from Counter Strike: Source 3 days ago. and haven't played that game in 4 months. I don't share my account with anyone. Sent a ticket to steam, they gave me a generic message stating VaC doesn't make errors blah blah blah. Obviously it does, but people don't want to admit it. Whoever is going to post a screenie of my MPGH account go ahead. I used my MPGH account to download cheats for Flash Games. And to get certain programs.

[QUOTE=jaberus;43680587]I got banned from Counter Strike: Source 3 days ago. and haven't played that game in 4 months. I don't share my account with anyone. Sent a ticket to steam, they gave me a generic message stating VaC doesn't make errors blah blah blah. Obviously it does, but people don't want to admit it. Whoever is going to post a screenie of my MPGH account go ahead. I used my MPGH account to download cheats for Flash Games. And to get certain programs.[/QUOTE] Are you here because you "mysteriously" got a Rust VAC ban, or are you just posting because you feel like it?

[QUOTE=jaberus;43680587]I got banned from Counter Strike: Source 3 days ago. and haven't played that game in 4 months. I don't share my account with anyone. Sent a ticket to steam, they gave me a generic message stating VaC doesn't make errors blah blah blah. Obviously it does, but people don't want to admit it. Whoever is going to post a screenie of my MPGH account go ahead. I used my MPGH account to download cheats for Flash Games. And to get certain programs.[/QUOTE] If Valve ban you, they had proof you cheated anyway, otherwise you'd still'd be playing fine. It really doesn't matter what happens, they manage all the bans, if there was a false positive you'd be let free, go ahead and send Garry your SteamID to see if you got a false positive ban.

[QUOTE=Darht;43680028]guys come on, focus please, i was the one posting and i m the one that should be investigated, i posted my e-mail by thrust in this forum members and now i m getting a ton of spam, including sex content, and till now i didn't see my problem solved, jonnymad u can check me, i m clean, like i said, never used any kind of hack and don't even needed to, i was playing on a modded server that gave me all wood and bullet just by pressing /starter. [editline]26th January 2014[/editline] ok, i ll complain to steam, that was the seller, np, i wont spend my money to get banned in vain![/QUOTE] Steam isn't going to help you, i got VaC'd for games i haven't played in months. They will just say you cheated. Whether you did or didn't, they don't feel their system is flawed. You can take it up to court if you really want your account back so much, spend a few thousand dollars, a few years, and probably get nowhere. Valve doesn't give a damn, they think their Anti-cheat is perfect. I haven't cheated for 8 years now, and VaC wants to ban me alright so be it. I don't play much Source anyways. All i do is Rust, Gmod, and League of Legends. my main 3 games. [editline]26th January 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=elixwhitetail;43680753]Are you here because you "mysteriously" got a Rust VAC ban, or are you just posting because you feel like it?[/QUOTE] Oh no, im not banned on rust. haha I got banned on Source. Rust isnt included. I just wanted to clarify to the guy that he wont get unbanned no matter what he does. I play Gmod/Rust/League of Legends, this ban happened 3 days ago for something i did 8 years ago. I just don't believe he should be whining about a ban, same thing happened to me and i'm fine with it. I rarely play Source anymore. So you could say i am posting because i feel like it.

The reason Valve does not reverse VAC bans except when they, themselves, make a mistake is because of how VAC detections work. VAC detects suspicious modifications to key game files, whether they're on disk or while loaded into memory during gameplay. In cases where it's not a known cheat, the code is sent to the Valve mothership, and Valve employees have the ability to extract and run the suspicious code on local systems to see what [I]your[/I] game environment was like while these modifications were running. When that suspicious code is a new cheat, or a variation on an old cheat, VAC gets updated and detections start piling up for a round of bans a few weeks or a month or two later. VAC used to be non-permanent; VAC originally banned for one year, and then five. The percentage of people who went straight back to cheating was so unacceptably high, VAC is now permanent. Because it's permanently disabling or crippling the use of what is usually a paid game, Valve does not apply these bans lightly, and they are very sure.

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;43680963]The reason Valve does not reverse VAC bans except when they, themselves, make a mistake is because of how VAC detections work. VAC detects suspicious modifications to key game files, whether they're on disk or while loaded into memory during gameplay. In cases where it's not a known cheat, the code is sent to the Valve mothership, and Valve employees have the ability to extract and run the suspicious code on local systems to see what [I]your[/I] game environment was like while these modifications were running. When that suspicious code is a new cheat, or a variation on an old cheat, VAC gets updated and detections start piling up for a round of bans a few weeks or a month or two later. VAC used to be non-permanent; VAC originally banned for one year, and then five. The percentage of people who went straight back to cheating was so unacceptably high, VAC is now permanent. Because it's permanently disabling or crippling the use of what is usually a paid game, Valve does not apply these bans lightly, and they are very sure.[/QUOTE] Exactly, me hacking 8 years ago made me pay now. Hell it might have taken them forever, but i got what i deserved. I agree with you 100%

These VAC threads really are becoming repetitive and pointless. They take up half this sub forum!

[QUOTE=OppositeTalen;43681368]These VAC threads really are becoming repetitive and pointless. They take up half this sub forum![/QUOTE] They are gonna keep going as long as people think they can somehow get a VAC ban overturned by claiming "I've never hacked, it must have been *insert admin function here* " even though Facepunch has no control over VAC.

[QUOTE=OppositeTalen;43681368]These VAC threads really are becoming repetitive and pointless. They take up half this sub forum![/QUOTE] It's more entertaining than June/July, when 90% of this subforum was taken up by threads begging for keys, asking how they can get keys, or offering to buy/sell/trade Rust keys or accounts. This subforum has been a stain on Facepunch since almost the very beginning. Just after [I]someone[/I] told Reddit about the Rust alpha. And that Gold Members were able to access a thread where Garry was giving away keys for free. BTW, that was the other 10%, asking how to get Gold Member status after Garry took it off the Boostar store because idiots were buying Gold just to get a Rust key, discovering that there weren't any anymore, and getting chargebacks on Paypal for their Gold subscription because the rest of the Internet (not Facepunch or Garry) lied to them.

[QUOTE=jaberus;43681074]Exactly, me hacking 8 years ago made me pay now. Hell it might have taken them forever, but i got what i deserved. I agree with you 100%[/QUOTE] I'm vac'd from a few games but I respected valve enough to even STILL pay 100$ for valve complete pack

[QUOTE=Darht;43679110]the reason is simple, the game is not expensive, so they ban random people, betting that they ll buy it again[/QUOTE] You realize that VAC bans are given out by Valve, right? Do you think Valve is that desperate for money?

I've never understood hacking. I mean, I've cheated in single-player games as bad as anyone else has (though not to gain achievements), because sometimes it's just fun to break the game and fuck around. I've cheated in multiplayer when it was just friends fucking around and wasn't serious, but that doesn't really count. I used to pirate like a little bitch, though, when I was a teen with little money and a net connection. But then Valve brought Steam out, and then I got a job around the time Steam became a store for more than just Valve published titles. I haven't pirated anything since and my Steam account is worth more than I'm comfortable with admitting. (Steam Daily Deals ruined my life. :v:) I [I]very seriously can't afford[/I] to VAC this account. The mark of shame on a 10-year-old account would just look [I]so bad[/I]. :v: And, no, I'm not setting up other Steam accounts to get VAC bans on those; I said I don't hack as the first thing, lol. [editline]26th January 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=ShaunOfTheLive;43681736]You realize that VAC bans are given out by Valve, right? Do you think Valve is that desperate for money?[/QUOTE] He's just grumpy that he got caught and the first offense is also the last. Also, thinking about not getting VAC banned over my Steam account's ten-year life made me think of the people that I've been in clans with who [I]did[/I] get banned for cheating and subsequently kicked out of the clan. They all were insecure with something to prove. They were always proud of their own achievements and tried almost too hard to also fit in with the clan. And then suddenly they can't join games anymore when asked, and there's a sudden VAC badge, and then the shame comes crashing down. They always fucked it up for themselves. It's sad, really, because usually they were genuinely liked for themselves, not their in-game "skill", and then they turned out to be cheating shit and needed to be cast out.

[QUOTE=Stevenson;43673309]You clearly did something you weren't suppose to do. Most people think of hacking as installing an aimbot or no-clip but something even as simple as adding a crosshair mod is technically hacking and can get you VAC banned. ANYTHING that gives you an advantage, no matter how small, over other players is cheating and you will get banned for it.[/QUOTE] I think more specifically, it's anything that modifies client binaries, even if it doesn't give any advantage at all. In fact, you can get banned for running "sXe Injected", which is actually an unofficial [i]anti-cheat[/i] system for Counter-Strike. [editline]26th January 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=elixwhitetail;43681745]I've cheated in multiplayer when it was just friends fucking around and wasn't serious, but that doesn't really count.[/QUOTE] I've done that too, but only sv_cheats stuff. I've never really had the urge to mess around with binary modifications.

[QUOTE=ShaunOfTheLive;43681895]I've done that too, but only sv_cheats stuff. I've never really had the urge to mess around with binary modifications.[/QUOTE] [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BK8xfNNrO1c"]Me and my friends had some hilariously good times with breaking GTA IV[/URL], between a popular MP-compatible trainer that allowed vehicle spawning as well as a ton of other great shit (including changing your model to cutscene-only models that were never meant to be used more than once or rigged for gameplay animation -- like a guy in a bed :v:) and changing the car tire friction values to negative amounts for the popular carmageddon insanity mode. (For some reason, the video has been letterboxed rediculously; Youtube did this sometime in the last six months and I just noticed.) But if that would've triggered a VAC ban, I wouldn't have done it. :v:

The amount of faith you people seem to have in an automated system is disturbing. I've never had a problem with it, but blatantly stating that "IT'S GOD IT NEVER MAKES MISTAKES IT'S IMPOSSIBLE" is pretty crazy. It seems like a good system, I'd rather have it than some other third party crap I have to install, but remember that nothing is perfect, especially when it comes to computers and automated processes.