Poll - Would you like to have an option choosing gender in Rust? - Rust

I think we are witness to a very interesting human psychological phenomenon right now and it should be studied. People want to be able to customize their character because they don't feel they are being properly represented. However, it is generally accepted that in games where you play a character, like Mario, that you are that character. No one ever said your character is yo in Rust. So why is it so hard to accept that you are playing someone else? When everyone is the same, they seem to feel more equal and less like they are being forced to play a character that isn't an extension of themselves. Playing a game that allows customization the character is implicitly an extension of you. But playing a game that doesn't, the character is implicitly an external entity. With the addition of diversity, without the option of customization, people seem to feel the character should be an extension of themselves instead of an external entity. I think be assigning names it would more solidify that the character is an external entity, and not an extension of themselves.

You can't in real life, why should you be able to do so in rust? :p

[QUOTE=dilla;50118581]You can't in real life, why should you be able to do so in rust? :p[/QUOTE] I know everyone always says this but it is a game, not real life

I cannot enjoy this game with a female character, in fact, I feel unless people are willing to change, (in which they click a tick box or something), those who were male before this update should have the choice to remain male, as I feel it is an insult to the veteran playerbase. Due to my female model, I have discontinued playing rust, and will uninstall it until there is change.

[QUOTE=BanditGryphon;50118690]I feel it is an insult to the veteran playerbase.[/QUOTE] Perhaps you and your feelings need a little time away from the Internet to think about why this is the case. Do you refuse to play every Tomb Raider title ever specifically because the protagonist is female? Did you skip Mirror's Edge because of that? Have you never played Metroid? Did you avoid playing Okami because the protagonist is a female goddess in wolf form? :v:

[QUOTE=BanditGryphon;50118690]Due to my female model, I have discontinued playing rust, and will uninstall it until there is change.[/QUOTE] I say this with conviction and meaning... Bye Felicia.

it would be nice to have one time permanent choice of gender. other character traits could be completely random.

[QUOTE=dilla;50118581]You can't in real life, why should you be able to do so in rust? :p[/QUOTE] Are you for real? Do you know what a transsexual is? Whoever that runs the project now that isn't garry can we please have an option to pay the scientist npcs with special tokens found in dungeons to have our apperance changed? Incorporate the steam marketplace and workshop into it so people can make and sell looks. Please also have dicks and tits under aliases be rare loot items from butchering animals and people, I want to feed my prisoners bear dongs.

o_O It's an avatar in a virtual world, not a reincarnation of yourself. So what? I mean, did you also complain earlier because of your ingame weiner not being long enough? Probably not. I really like the randomness. It simply fits into a survival gamel.

People were the same about when race was assigned to Rust, what happened to that? Nothing, people saw that it didn't really matter in the end. See, at first it was "I'm not playing Rust because I'm not black, I wanna be my white self!" But he majority of the player base stayed because it didn't matter, the focus of the game was just playing a person that has been dropped on an island, and survived whatever came at you. This isn't Skyrim, this isn't WoW, this is about natural selection, survival, that's it. You're not a superhero, your not [[I]the protagonist[/I]. Rust is: [U][B][I]Living, Adapting, Surviving or Dying...[/I][/B][/U] This is a survival game, you get what you work with and make the best of it. I respect Facepunch so much for sticking to this core aspect, it's what makes Rust an actual [B][I]Survival[/I][/B] game, the rest is just icing on the cake. P.S. I swear it's like the it's the Civil Rights Movements all over again... If you got what you wanted, good. If you did not, make it into something you'd enjoy and deal with it. But for the Lord's sake don't bitch to Garry or Helk about it...

The poll doesn't lie, the community has spoken.

My answer is 2, but the main reason for people wanting to choose 1 basically seems to be guys not wanting to play as girls... I think it makes the game a whole lot interesting and the guys arguing against are only looking at it from a narrow perspective. I'm a female and how many games do you know of where the default character is male? Even the original Rust beta only included male characters but I wasn't sitting around moping about my character's gender. It's not going to affect the way you play the game anyway, so just suck it up.

I do care. Why? Because they are forcing me to play a male character when there are female playable characters in the game. This basically ruins it for me, as I like RP and immersion to me is pretty much gone when I have to be the opposite gender. I'm not playing 'me', I'm playing 'my guy'. I have anxiety, and I use games such as these to socialize freely using mic and making friends. I petitioned facepunch condoning them for doing it this way, as it's original. However, there should be an option for those who find this gamebreaking, to petition and elaborate on why it ruins the game for them, so that it can be modified in the database or they could be given a refund to perhaps create a new account and repurchase the game on the new account, hoping the game would get it right. After a long, polite and humble explanation, I was basically told they couldn't do anything, and I refund had to be done within 2 days after purchase. I purchased this game 2 years ago, but didn't play it more than a few times due to other games making me feel more at home at the time. (due to there not being female characters (yet). I waited because they were going to show up. Then, later on, I was told it would be random, but I figured I'd wait and see. 50% chance, so why petition before I got to see if the game would get it right or not. I know that you can't choose gender in real life, so in a way this is more realistic, however every other person in real life doesn't feel trapped in the body of the wrong gender, as most people have their mental gender and physical gender develop according to eachother. Sure, maybe this is facepunch doing a transgender awareness stunt by making it this way, because I do feel more sympathy with transgendered people now. I Just hope they'll make it so that those who deeply want to get their ingame gender changed, can petition for it. We're talking about a third of the Rust community here..

[QUOTE=~Seraphina~;50120996]I do care. Why? Because they are forcing me to play a male character when there are female playable characters in the game. This basically ruins it for me, as I like RP and immersion to me is pretty much gone when I have to be the opposite gender. I'm not playing 'me', I'm playing 'my guy'. I have anxiety, and I use games such as these to socialize freely using mic and making friends.[/QUOTE] Side note: I understand that using the mic is a way to socialise and such, but surely your character model doesn't affect the way you speak to people. And yeah, I get that being your own gender helps with RP as I feel the same way there but then again, your character doesn't have to be you, per say. Sure, it's a guy and you're not, but that just means you won't get to play your exact self. You can play a different version of yourself or even create new persona for your dude entirely. My point is, if they don't change this back, complaining or petitioning probably isn't going to do much against the decision and there are other ways around the few issues people seem to have with it.

[QUOTE=Hollz100;50121069]Side note: I understand that using the mic is a way to socialise and such, but surely your character model doesn't affect the way you speak to people. And yeah, I get that being your own gender helps with RP as I feel the same way there but then again, your character doesn't have to be you, per say. Sure, it's a guy and you're not, but that just means you won't get to play your exact self. You can play a different version of yourself or even create new persona for your dude entirely. My point is, if they don't change this back, complaining or petitioning probably isn't going to do much against the decision and there are other ways around the few issues people seem to have with it.[/QUOTE] It does affect my ability to socialize, because I struggle with anxiety, and being able to portray my personality despite my anxiety depends on my ability to 'connect' with my online character, and immerse myself with it. This is difficult for me to do, if I am unable to relate my character to myself.

[QUOTE=~Seraphina~;50121110]It does affect my ability to socialize, because I struggle with anxiety, and being able to portray my personality despite my anxiety depends on my ability to 'connect' with my online character, and immerse myself with it. This is difficult for me to do, if I am unable to relate my character to myself.[/QUOTE] I suppose... I was just curious - I have social anxiety yet I have a very different perspective to you. I still think it's interesting that we can't choose but moreso the reaction some people are having over it. The immersing part is understandable but that doesn't mean you can't still talk to people, even if it might be a little more difficult. It might be harder to show your personality as you say, but your personality also isn't affected by the gender of your character. But anyway, thanks for explaining.

Rust isn't Tomb Raider or Mario Brothers or any other game where there is already some established story that the player simply unfolds. There is no story in Rust. The game's own description says it's up to the players to make it. Being able to customize their characters is an understandable expectation when given this freedom. For many players, without the choice of how they look, [I]they[/I] aren't telling the story, RNGeesus is.

[QUOTE=Hollz100;50121140]but your personality also isn't affected by the gender of your character. [/QUOTE] For me, it is. It becomes less open and I feel a lot more closed. Maybe that's just because of my detachment. =)

Omg... EARLY ACCESS They are still making the game. Chill the hell out it's a brand new mechanic get over it. I for one can't wait to get married in rust, I'm going to run with this ha! the whole lot of you must be like little kids or something this is actually ridiculous. For all you know the devs very will could add something for changing your sex.

[QUOTE=~Seraphina~;50121110]It does affect my ability to socialize, because I struggle with anxiety, and being able to portray my personality despite my anxiety depends on my ability to 'connect' with my online character, and immerse myself with it. This is difficult for me to do, if I am unable to relate my character to myself.[/QUOTE] How does being murdered in game affect your social anxiety?

[QUOTE=utilitron;50125445]How does being murdered in game affect your social anxiety?[/QUOTE] She didn't specify it was [I]social[/I] anxiety. Just saying... Also, nothing was said about being murdered.

When I play Counter Strike and make calls on comms, my voice clearly doesn't match my in-game character. Pretty much every girl who plays games can't avoid these sorts of scenarios, so I'm used to it by now. Besides, the game is in first person. And I would hardly call this a "role playing game" with a story or anything. Your character may as well be a robot or alien. If you have a girl avatar and people can't tell you're a guy, then perhaps you should buy a microphone. Preferably one that doesn't sound like a toothbrush hooked up to a potato battery. If people are still confused after hearing your voice, then try waiting until puberty hits, which in that case, I apologize if you had to borrow your mother's credit card only to be denied affirmation of your gender identity. If you feel as if the spooky skeleton warriors are forcing politics down your throat, then perhaps you should start a petition to make Garry censor his vision for the game. It worked with Overwatch, right? Or did Blizzard want to change it in the first place. Hum... [B]Edit:[/B] Alternatively, if this has to do with immersion, you could always stick some electrical tape on the left side of your screen.

[QUOTE=~Seraphina~;50121216]For me, it is. It becomes less open and I feel a lot more closed. Maybe that's just because of my detachment. =)[/QUOTE] Your in game gender is able to conditionate the role you decide to play in game, only if you allow it to. It is a matter of your will. If you dont like your model because is ugly or because it has something hanging around here or there please just make fun of it, its completely natural. Nothing to feel embarrassed or closed about. (Did this forum get full of trolls? No one can really be this worried about a virtual model, right?) No matter what model you play, you are gonna get your hands full of blood, destroy other players homes and steal whatever someone spent weeks gathering, so is it not that violence enough for the RP that you also need to take into consideration gender skin? I would understand it being sex a feature in development, but it will never be.

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;50118746]Perhaps you and your feelings need a little time away from the Internet to think about why this is the case. Do you refuse to play every Tomb Raider title ever specifically because the protagonist is female? Did you skip Mirror's Edge because of that? Have you never played Metroid? Did you avoid playing Okami because the protagonist is a female goddess in wolf form? :v:[/QUOTE] Okami is amazing. My daughter loves it to.

I'm somewhere between YES and Don't Care, but more options is always good.

And on and on and on... I don't know how much testing these new models require in terms of clothing and seams etc. .. but having gender and race distributed randomly is the best/easiest way to ensure every combination is adequately represented in the game. If Facepunch decides to implement a masturbatory and obligatory customization system later in the development cycle, that's between them and their modeling artist's paycheck. Aside from the above, there's no harm in having a "selection" option once per BP wipe. But I doubt there's more than a small handful of players who've created and established a detailed character in Rust... and anyone who went through the trouble of doing so would have no problem spending some time as their main character's small female protege who mimics his speech, personality and tactics while he's not around. The inability to immerse yourself in a game because you don't get to play yourself or a specific representation of yourself is not Roleplaying... [B]it's actually the expression of one's depressing inability to do so[/B]. [editline]14th April 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=utilitron;50115187]I think Rust should go one more step and auto generate a name as well.[/QUOTE] People think this is a joke, but this is actually quite possible. An even better system would be giving players the ability to assign names to people... they would recognize those they already met, but would have to use physical descriptions to convey that to someone else. It would make IFF a lot more interesting, and that's always been a central part of Rust. It would also prevent Steam name-change abuse (which is incredibly childish imo). But given how many people drowned in the rivers of tears over not being able to instantly find and huddle naked with your RL friends within 30 seconds of logging in, I imagine this can go on the "minority purist's pile".