Once "owned" houses are implemented, bases need to be indestructable. - Rust

I raid people all the time when they are offline, mostly because I work till 2am each night so late late hours are the ONLY time I can play. So you're saying they should just screw people like me over because we work odd hours and therefore play odd hours? This is a survival game, you have to survive while sleeping as well, if you don't like it go to a no crafting C4 server.

While you are online, focus on supporting strengths to your building to prevent offline raids. I've seen a few ideas on here that were smart and worked and others that haven't. Its alpha, don't be afraid to try new things and see where it goes. All the pixel goodies will be gone sooner or later anyways.

[QUOTE=A. James;43861775]40+ metal doors, 50+ wood walls all exploded between our 4 houses. None of us were online. It was done at the weirdest hour imaginable. That is an INSANE amount of c4 in 3 days only. Raid when people are online!! Bitches!! Before the server wipe, we were raided twice. Both while we were offline. No one has ever attempted to raid us while we're online. Are some of you seriously that pussy-ish to not face people while they're online? And who the hell has the time to create 130+ c4 in 3 days only??[/QUOTE] If they had over 130 C4 in 3 days then it was probably either a hacker/duper or badmin. Mostly likely though, the culprit was a badmin. I laugh at all the people posting on FP, Steam and other forums looking for "mature" admins to help with their server and then they take the first 13 year olds that apply...or 20+ year olds for that matter who are sometimes less mature than the 13 year olds. So, yeah probably a badmin who could spawn unlimited C4 or was supplying his friends. That still doesn't excuse the rest of your post though.

[QUOTE=IGotWorms;43865395]If they had over 130 C4 in 3 days then it was probably either a hacker/duper or badmin. Mostly likely though, the culprit was a badmin. I laugh at all the people posting on FP, Steam and other forums looking for "mature" admins to help with their server and then they take the first 13 year olds that apply...or 20+ year olds for that matter who are sometimes less mature than the 13 year olds. So, yeah probably a badmin who could spawn unlimited C4 or was supplying his friends. That still doesn't excuse the rest of your post though.[/QUOTE] I would vote the "130 C4" isn't existent. More like well placed locations (ie single walls with boxes behind) and they hit them that direction. Could be the way you are stating with the amount, but the posts on this forum usually go from the fish being 2 inches to a marlin the size of a buick.

Eh, this game does have a serious problem with its community. Legitimate firefights are actually really fun- it's a shame the games mechanics seem to encourage people to find the least direct method possible for fighting. The vast majority of players will try to "sneak up" on you to kill you, if you just happen to see them they suddenly jump around screaming friendly. They refuse to raid while anyone is online, because why should they, honestly? If they want your stuff, they can just wait till you're offline and get it easy peasy. C4 is absurdly easy to acquire on stock rules servers, not to mention ones with buy mods. Plus, once you get a few, as long as you're a decent player, you can scout large bases, peep walls for supply rooms (and with experience you can almost always predict the location, watch experienced streamers like FroxerBBQ to see what I mean), wait till they're offline, use your C4 to get in and more often than not end up with more C4 than you used to get in.

[QUOTE=MelGibson;43865432]I would vote the "130 C4" isn't existent. More like well placed locations (ie single walls with boxes behind) and they hit them that direction. Could be the way you are stating with the amount, but the posts on this forum usually go from the fish being 2 inches to a marlin the size of a buick.[/QUOTE] Ah yes, over-exaggeration. I missed that one. Also, likely. ;)

Instead of asking this to actually part of the game, how come someone hasn't made a mod for it yet? Like an easy-mode for rust so people can stop whining about this? Sure, I've had my share of getting killed here and there and it took me a while to realize just get over it and move on.

[QUOTE=P4lm3;43865539]Instead of asking this to actually part of the game, how come someone hasn't made a mod for it yet? Like an easy-mode for rust so people can stop whining about this? Sure, I've had my share of getting killed here and there and it took me a while to realize just get over it and move on.[/QUOTE] Because the people who make mods know it would ruin the gameplay. I like excitement. I enjoy waking up in the morning and wondering "What wall did they blow a hole into today?" It is what makes Rust ... Rust. Its the excitement of it.

[QUOTE=P4lm3;43865539]Instead of asking this to actually part of the game, how come someone hasn't made a mod for it yet? Like an easy-mode for rust so people can stop whining about this? Sure, I've had my share of getting killed here and there and it took me a while to realize just get over it and move on.[/QUOTE] Then it becomes Second Life with guns and hostile bears.

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;43865799]Then it becomes Second Life with guns and hostile bears.[/QUOTE] I completely disagree. Without all the rampant porn and sex, this could never be Second Life. :|

[QUOTE=MelGibson;43865561]Because the people who make mods know it would ruin the gameplay. I like excitement. I enjoy waking up in the morning and wondering "What wall did they blow a hole into today?" It is what makes Rust ... Rust. Its the excitement of it.[/QUOTE] There's that one mod author out there, that one guy... If it can happen, it most likely will. In the meantime, I'll be harvesting like hell and bringing it all back to one of the mountains in the wasteland with me

[QUOTE=Scynix;43866251]I completely disagree. Without all the rampant porn and sex, this could never be Second Life. :|[/QUOTE] If the censor filter is turned off, everyone starts as a naked man with a modeled flaccid penis. We're already 33% of the way there. BRING ON THE POSEBALLS

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;43866286]If the censor filter is turned off, everyone starts as a naked man with a modeled flaccid penis. We're already 33% of the way there. BRING ON THE POSEBALLS[/QUOTE] Contact loverslab, STAT!

Yet another suggestion to "carebear" the game up, ridiculous. Look pal, I'm going to be forward about this, I suggest you take note: Sandboxes aren't for everyone, especially sandboxes with full player looting. You need to accept that this isn't your cup of tea and move on, rather than trying to make the game into something it was never intended to be, solely due to your own selfish desires.

[QUOTE='EXILE [HCPVP];43866370']Yet another suggestion to "carebear" the game up, ridiculous. Look pal, I'm going to be forward about this, I suggest you take note: Sandboxes aren't for everyone, especially sandboxes with full player looting. You need to accept that this isn't your cup of tea and move on, rather than trying to make the game into something it was never intended to be, solely due to your own selfish desires.[/QUOTE] You're using that term wrong. Carebear refers to a non-pvp environment. Preventing offline base raiding but still supporting direct raiding is the exact opposite. If anything, encouraging offline PVE base raiding is carebear. You're more of a carebear than the OP is.

Easy, Add a 25% chance of the C4 going on when crafted. Then add a 10% chance of it going off instantly while placing it. Raiders go boom the more they raid!

[QUOTE=A. James;43861775]Once houses can be "owned", something needs to be coded when "owners" and residents are offline, the houses become indestructible. This prevents bitches from bitching out and raiding while their opponents are offline like a bunch of bitches. 3 days after a server wipe, our group of 12 people on a server of 50 were raided. 4 different houses. 40+ metal doors, 50+ wood walls all exploded between our 4 houses. None of us were online. It was done at the weirdest hour imaginable. That is an INSANE amount of c4 in 3 days only. Raid when people are online!! Bitches!! Before the server wipe, we were raided twice. Both while we were offline. No one has ever attempted to raid us while we're online. Are some of you seriously that pussy-ish to not face people while they're online? And who the hell has the time to create 130+ c4 in 3 days only??[/QUOTE] So you think it's weird someone had enough C4 to blow up your place, but it's not weird that you were able to build 50+ walls and 40+ metal doors, among other things, 3 days after a wipe? Something fishy here.

[QUOTE=cubsfan-budma;43861970]if you are 12 and i am 1, i'll wait 'til you're offline to raid you. otherwise you'd just kill me.[/QUOTE] Not only that but wtf is someone supposed to do? Wait around for the OP and his crew for three days and wait for them to come back when it's convenient for them? Should they also ask them first before they raid? If everybody is online at the same time, yet the OP's crew is out doing something elsewhere on the map, should they wait around for them to return, enter their base, then knock politely and ask if the OP's team is ready to be raided? What a crock of sh*t If you get raided while offline, guess what? It happens to everybody all the time, it's a part of the damn game. Do it back to the ones you suspect raided you. [img]http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BDqmIGFCQAEuO9D.jpg:large[/img]

It doesn't matter where the server is based, people will join from all timezones in the world.. someone is always sleeping, and someone is always playing.. no way to stop this (unless restrict based on IP or ping),but even then you have some people who work and others that don't. Build better bases, play smarter, take the knocks when they come and don't cry about it.

Totally agree with OP. I love games that are hard and challenging (for example, I have a big love for Dark Souls - never cried once!), but I have little time for them. The fact that I don't have as much time to gather resources and develop my base compared to many other players is enough of a disadvantage. I don't need players being able to pretty much "delete my save game" while I'm away on top of that. This is not the kind of challenge that feels right. Indestructible buildings of players that are offline can be treated as some sort of decoration (also could be gently marked for gameplay reasons).

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;43862266]Welcome to Rust. If you can't deal with it, play something else.[/QUOTE] THIS! @OP what do you think this game is about? do you think this is a wood chopping simulator? the Rust world is online 24/7. if you aren't there, it's your own fkin problem. wtf is wrong with some of you guys? if you are not able to spend so much time with a game, then just quit it and play a game which is round based (BF4, COD or whatever else you want). Rust is somewhat like WoW as a first person shooter. it consumes much time and those with more time will win the race. you can't compete with someone who is online 10 hours per day while you are online 1-2 hours every other day. this is not unfair, its the opposite. why should you be in a better position or the same level as someone who puts a lot of more effort and time into the game? you shouldn't!!!!! you just show us that you don't comprehend and that this game is nothing for you! just quit it!

If bases were made indestructible, people would exploit it. I'm pretty sure if the OP's group of 12 was being raided, they'd all log off to make their bases immune. Besides, aren't there enough buildings littering the map? Imagine how many there would be if some could be made immune? You'd have people building little indestructible one room bases around the pallets in rad town.

[QUOTE]this is not unfair, its the opposite. why should you be in a better position or the same level as someone who puts a lot of more effort and time into the game? you shouldn't!!!!![/QUOTE] finally some voice of reason.. if you play casually than play on servers which are pve or with just rare c4 and uncraftable explosives.. than you really need just few floors, and some 10 doors and you are almost perfect safe.. raiding is stealing, and nobody steals when you are at home.. raiding when players are online is basically just for fun, and for intensive battle if defenders have ways to go outside the house.. and stop bitching for "unraidable" bases.. how you cannot see that that cannot work and it would take all fun from game..

I do agree in that currently 95% of PvP happens when one player is offline. That is not good PvP (or by definition, PvP at all). Offline does add an element of danger, which is great, but healthy PvP involves both players actually participating. We need to see how we can balance it out. Un-raidable bases is not the answer, but there should be better power scaling. Right now it's completely flat (nothing, wood shelter, wood door) and spikes to hard (C4, 50 metal doors). There should be more gradual increase.

They have already stated they will be implementing ways to increase base defense, including when offline. My guess is once traps and such are added if your inventive you will have a better chance of your base lasting the night.

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[QUOTE=Aspirant;43867447]So you think it's weird someone had enough C4 to blow up your place, but it's not weird that you were able to build 50+ walls and 40+ metal doors, among other things, 3 days after a wipe? Something fishy here.[/QUOTE] I don't think it's weird at all. We are the largest group on the server (unless people join forces together). Metal doors are only 200 metal fragments. Furthermore, one day alone I personally got two air drops which included 4 metal doors and a bunch of wood parts. Like I said, it wasn't just 1 base, it was 4 bases. My base was the smallest of the three and I went through and counted all the blown walls and doors. The others in the group did the same. And that's assuming the wood walls that were blown only took 1 c4. In my personal room, the door AND the doorway were blown. I didn't even realize you could blow down doorways. Making metal doors doesn't require many resources at all. Gunpowder does. But again that's not the point. Breaking into someone's house while they're offline is easy and cheap. It requires no planning except checking the Steam Players list. It requires no risk.

[QUOTE=A. James;43861775]Once houses can be "owned", something needs to be coded when "owners" and residents are offline, the houses become indestructible...[/QUOTE] Yes, and all the well-known major heists and special forces raids in the past were also done in broad daylight, making sure that the adversaries were well-prepared for them... NOT! Grow a backbone and spread your loot around dispersed bases, not all in one place like a noob. Sheesh! Also, the "130 C4" claim is either BS, or admins "gifting" to their buds. Regardless, dispersed (read distant) storage would help. FYI, some of our bases are a full 6-minute run to the northern-most extent of the loop-road. The vast majority of players simply don't have the patience to explore that far away from the central area.

[QUOTE=RustBubba;43869847]Yes, and all the well-known major heists and special forces raids in the past were also done in broad daylight, making sure that the adversaries were well-prepared for them... NOT! Grow a backbone and spread your loot around dispersed bases, not all in one place like a noob. Sheesh! Also, the "130 C4" claim is either BS, or admins "gifting" to their buds. Regardless, dispersed (read distant) storage would help. FYI, some of our bases are a full 6-minute run to the northern-most extent of the loop-road. The vast majority of players simply don't have the patience to explore that far away from the central area.[/QUOTE] Who the hell would want a base that's a 6 minute run to populated areas?? Probably the same people that only want to raid while their opponents are offline. FYI, our group's loot was spread between 4 bases (like I've stated numerous times); however, all four bases were raided from top to bottom while everyone was asleep. Also, to a previous comment comparing raiding in real life to a game, what a ridiculous assertion. To claim that people "raid" houses in real life while people are "away" just proves my complaint even more. I hate comparing games to real life, but since it's been done I'll use your argument against you. If our group was raided while we were "away" (gathering resources, raiding others..etc.) that would be perfectly fine. To be raided while "asleep", one would wake up in real life............so where were you going with that argument?

[QUOTE]To be raided while "asleep", one would wake up in real life............so where were you going with that argument? [/QUOTE] ok, that's true.. but then if you are comparing, then it's similar to when all family is out the house.. which is in some houses for half a day every day.. (kids at school, parents at work).. or just one couple living together, they are away from house huge amount of time.. so i made paralel because raiding is like burglars irl enter your home and steal what they can.. raiding when players are online is complete different story..