[QUOTE=Kneon;44278252]...but isn't that the issue people are complaining IS happening?
Compared to beta/release/post stages, alpha is when the MOST progress should be happening. Huge chunks of the game, additional mechanics etc. When exactly is it okay to expect progress or talk about issues? Beta? No, that's for small refinements, tweaks, fixes. Release?
People keep saying it's alpha, it's not done, as if that explains a lack of progress or "don't mention any concerns you have". Wake up people, alpha is the stage where most progress/change should be occurring. That's not to say huge progress isn't right around the corner, but come to grips with what it is valid to expect in alpha phase.[/QUOTE]
You didn't even read my post when you quoted it, did you? Didn't you see the part where I said that the words "alpha" or "beta" don't even matter?
If you're going to quote me then at least attempt to understand what I'm saying, please.
[QUOTE=Kneon;44278252]...but isn't that the issue people are complaining IS happening?
Compared to beta/release/post stages, alpha is when the MOST progress should be happening. Huge chunks of the game, additional mechanics etc. When exactly is it okay to expect progress or talk about issues? Beta? No, that's for small refinements, tweaks, fixes. Release? [/QUOTE]
Huge progress is being made, but it is largely framework, rather than definitive tangible features
[QUOTE=Sievers808;44278284]You didn't even read my post when you quoted it, did you? Didn't you see the part where I said that the words "alpha" or "beta" don't even matter?
If you're going to quote me then at least attempt to understand what I'm saying, please.[/QUOTE]
You should take your own advice, since you didn't respond to anything I said.
Yes I read yours, and I agree "we could call this phase anything" etc. The point isn't the label you give it, it's the fact that of ALL the stages of game life, whatever you decide to call them, now is when the most progress should be seen. And that could happen later, who knows, maybe it's all top secret and they really are dropping a huge content update 5 minutes from now, but it doesn't appear to be happening. This would be the time for significant progress, and it's okay for people to wonder why it's not happening.
Saying "alpha" or "it's not done" is actually a good argument for exactly why we SHOULD be seeing lots of progress, not why we shouldn't talk about it.
[QUOTE=Kneon;44278339]Saying "alpha" or "it's not done" is actually a good argument for exactly why we SHOULD be seeing lots of progress, not why we shouldn't talk about it.[/QUOTE]
Who are you to dictate the priorities and work pace of the studio?
[QUOTE=Kneon;44278339] Saying "alpha" or "it's not done" is actually a good argument for exactly why we SHOULD be seeing lots of progress, not why we shouldn't talk about it.[/QUOTE]
It's equally as good an argument for why we wouldn't be seeing updates for a few weeks, because they're still working on it. Could communication be updated to at least one announcement every week? Probably. But hey, Garry's rocking 11 hour plane rides and 2 hour drives all over the place and everyone else is (in all likelihood) in the seventh circle of coding hell.
People also often forget that Facepunch is a company.
They likely have other projects and games that they are working on as well, all behind the scenes.
Rust isn't all of what FP is and they shouldn't be spending all of their time on it.
You are 100% correct. It's a trend that will kill itself off over time. It's not alpha. Alphas generally aren't playable at all (Go play the old doom alphas).
Steam didn't help with Greenlight.
[QUOTE=Sievers808;44278842]People also often forget that Facepunch is a company.
They likely have other projects and games that they are working on as well, all behind the scenes.
Rust isn't all of what FP is and they shouldn't be spending all of their time on it.[/QUOTE]
What the hell are you even talking about? FP should be spending all their time on it, since it's unfinished and one of the top sellers on steam.
[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;44278711]Who are you to dictate the priorities and work pace of the studio?[/QUOTE]
Yes, yes. You post this on every thread. Getting rather boring. Who are you to dictate our opinions?
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The word "alpha" isn't what's important. [B]The game isn't finished.[/B] Stop trying to pull the curtain over something that's barely gotten started.
Arguing semantics like "nope, it's alpha" or "no way, this is totally beta" is entirely useless because the devs could just as well call it "shithead stage".
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Except for the fact that the term [B]Alpha[/B] with redards to software development means the very early stage of development reserved for a select few to see the product at its worst to start to help shape it into something resembling a usable product. At that point it is referred to as a [B]Beta[/B] and more people are introduced to the product. Once this stage is complete it typically goes into [B]Open Beta[/B] where everyone gets their hands on it product. For the most part the product is complete for a release 1 and is stable.
Calling a product that is completely stable and functional without major bugs an Alpha is a trend I see happening in the gaming market lately to basically push an otherwise finished game out with an alpha tag carrying with it the clause that we can make changes to this at any time because its so new and is only an alpha - if something were to happen "it's ok guys - you are covered.. still alpha"
What you are saying is why label it all? If the label doesn't matter - it wouldn't need labels right?
The problem is if Rust launched as it was day 1 as a finished product people would have been screaming bloody murder. Things like "I PAID MY HARD EARNED MONEY FOR THIS!!!! I EXPECT SERVICE!" blah blah blah
That is simply done away with by saying "Alpha" You immediately arm all the forum nazi's with the "It's just Alpha" comment and the devs can simply relax and say hey "It's not like this is a full release... it's an alpha guys.."
This isn't all about Rust either - because I enjoy the game. What I don't enjoy is the loose use of the word Alpha and inserting it anywhere someone decides to speak negatively about any game.
Rust is not the only game doing this.. I stated that games like Minecraft paved the way for it and you see it more and more today in games.
I doubt they have much more content to add to the game. They havent added/updated anything useful at all.
What did they do? Add durability, add lockpicks, new sky, new "zombie" mutant animals(just painted red). All very bland. Hurry up, you're very slow.
[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;44278711]Who are you to dictate the priorities and work pace of the studio?[/QUOTE]
The customer. Not that complaining about the slow pace (FP is the one who claimed they were going to move to weekly updates, by the way) and the odd priorities (yes, what the game really needed was a new furnace model) is even remotely the same thing as 'dictating'.
[QUOTE=vertin;44279082]Hurry up, you're very slow.[/QUOTE]
Please apply at Facepunch and push updates out faster, they're hiring ;)
[url]http://www.facepunchstudios.com/jobs/[/url]
At no point were you forced to buy the game. No matter what label is attached to it I would always look for reviews and community game play videos to get a proper impression. If you brought a game labeled alpha without checking the development team and core game play aspects then you can only blame yourself.
Also your survival strategy is a boring way to play, if you do get a pickaxe day1 and kill everyone and make a tiny 1x1 then you get bored. Playing official servers is a constant struggle against hackers but there is never a dull moment trying to survive in a populated area like rad town or hangar. If you go build tiny based hidden away you will survive but the game will be boring. The only game play at the moment is player interaction if you kill everyone you will get more enjoyment from the BF or COD franchise.
If only facepunch figured out what this game is going to be in the future final product then people can really wait for small patches. Heck, fans would even brainstorm ideas for the developers. This is really an alpha game because gary is still not entirely sure.
[QUOTE=remic20;44282111]If only facepunch figured out what this game is going to be in the future final product then people can really wait for small patches. Heck, fans would even brainstorm ideas for the developers. This is really an alpha game because gary is still not entirely sure.[/QUOTE]
Where is your source that they don't know?
Have you read [URL="http://www.reddit.com/r/playrust/comments/1u5kqp/i_am_garry_newman_ama/"]this[/URL]?
[QUOTE=Nyghtprowler;44276516]good but not right argumen[/QUOTE]
Reason why indiv dev saying is 'ALPHA' is because bad small game that did not have FINALIZED idea or theme flooded with people who are mean dumb and toxic.
they under no term to make for player, just took advantage of people want.
Someone with more english please help.
[QUOTE=Nyghtprowler;44279013]Except for the fact that the term [B]Alpha[/B] with redards to software development means the very early stage of development reserved for a select few to see the product at its worst to start to help shape it into something resembling a usable product. At that point it is referred to as a [B]Beta[/B] and more people are introduced to the product. Once this stage is complete it typically goes into [B]Open Beta[/B] where everyone gets their hands on it product. For the most part the product is complete for a release 1 and is stable. [/quote]
Different places will give you different definitions of what constitutes each stage. For instance, by wikipedia's definition, this game is solidly in alpha.
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Calling a product that is [B]completely stable[/B] and functional[B] without major bugs[/B] an Alpha is a trend I see happening in the gaming market lately to basically push an otherwise finished game out with an alpha tag carrying with it the clause that we can make changes to this at any time because its so new and is only an alpha - if something were to happen "it's ok guys - you are covered.. still alpha"[/quote]
Have you read the bug report section by any chance?
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The problem is if Rust launched as it was day 1 as a finished product people would have been screaming bloody murder. Things like "I PAID MY HARD EARNED MONEY FOR THIS!!!! I EXPECT SERVICE!" blah blah blah
That is simply done away with by saying "Alpha" You immediately arm all the forum nazi's with the "It's just Alpha" comment and the devs can simply relax and say hey "It's not like this is a full release... it's an alpha guys.."
This isn't all about Rust either - because I enjoy the game. What I don't enjoy is the loose use of the word Alpha and inserting it anywhere someone decides to speak negatively about any game.
Rust is not the only game doing this.. I stated that games like Minecraft paved the way for it and you see it more and more today in games.[/QUOTE]
Right....
How about we replace alpha (which it is by many definitions) with early access (which it is) or in development (which it is) all of which hold the same meaning:
[B]The game is in development. If you buy it, be bloody prepared for the fact it is still early in development. [/B]
You guys have to stop taking Rust so seriously, and think more of it as a game that you get on specifically to screw up other people's playing experience
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