Is anybody else here crossing their fingers and hoping that the OP comes back?
The part that bothers me is everyones blind faith in VAC. It is a program, and with all programs there is no 100%. There are errors, glitches, etc. It amazes me how many people use the "VAC is never wrong" argument for software.
(Bare in mind that this post is in no way defending ANYONE. More on an ironic musing if you will)
Example: Just because Linux is stable and has a great track record, doesnt make it perfect by any streach.
lock pointless thread please.
Shame that you are Norwegian, you cheated and you know it.
[QUOTE=TwistedTryce;44320882]The part that bothers me is everyones blind faith in VAC. It is a program, and with all programs there is no 100%. There are errors, glitches, etc. It amazes me how many people use the "VAC is never wrong" argument for software.
(Bare in mind that this post is in no way defending ANYONE. More on an ironic musing if you will)
Example: Just because Linux is stable and has a great track record, doesnt make it perfect by any streach.[/QUOTE]
VAC isn't entirely automated. VAC engineers can pull up any report and replicate the environment that was running on your own machine. VAC sends copies of suspicious files/memory alterations with its reports, so if you're running a wallhack, [I]the VAC team can run it too[/I] when they're inspecting your reports and investigating if you're cheating on X game.
A lot of human verification goes into making sure detections are hacks, and you can always appeal to Steam Support to have human verification performed after VAC has issued a ban to make sure. Valve recognizes that VAC and humans are not perfect. Valve is careful about its detections because all bans are permanent, and in most cases deprive a customer of paid content -- so they [I]have[/I] to be 99.95% sure that VAC is not taking away software licenses from innocent paying customers.
It's not blind faith, it's reliable results year over year. VAC false positives are rare, and Valve will reverse mistaken bans.
Let me put it another way. VAC has handed out a few thousand cheating bans since January 1st. I don't know the exact figure, but it's at least a couple thousand.
Hundreds of people have flocked to the Rust subforum since then to scream and cry about how they were falsely VAC banned and they don't know why because they weren't doing anything wrong at all, they don't even know how to cheat, they were playing Rust and they got up to go make themselves a sandwich and when they came back they were banned so they weren't even doing anything at the computer to get banned wtf Valve. Everyone was told that the only ones who can deal with them at all are Steam Support. [URL="http://www.vacbanned.com/images/seth_ban.png"]Steam Support will say, "That was our mistake, you've been unbanned" in support tickets if it's a mistaken ban.[/URL]
[B]Not a single screenshot of a Rust VAC ban being reversed has been posted.[/B]
You would think that would be world-shaking proof that the false-positive complainers, which we all brand as cheaters here, were right. They would lord that over me and the others who've laughed at them [B]so hard[/B].
And it hasn't happened.
Therefore, VAC is working properly.
[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;44321792]VAC isn't entirely automated. VAC engineers can pull up any report and replicate the environment that was running on your own machine. VAC sends copies of suspicious files/memory alterations with its reports, so if you're running a wallhack, [I]the VAC can run it too[/I] when they're inspecting your reports and investigating if you're cheating on X game.
A lot of human verification goes into making sure detections are hacks, and you can always appeal to Steam Support to have human verification performed after VAC has issued a ban to make sure, because Valve recognizes that VAC and humans are not perfect. Valve is careful about its detections because all bans are permanent, and in most cases deprive a customer of paid content -- so they [I]have[/I] to be 99.95% sure that VAC is not taking away software licenses from innocent paying customers.
It's not blind faith, it's reliable results year over year. VAC false positives are rare, and Valve will reverse mistaken bans.
Let me put it another way. VAC has handed out a few thousand cheating bans since January 1st. I don't know the exact figure, but it's at least a couple thousand.
Hundreds of people have flocked to the Rust subforum since then to scream and cry about how they were falsely VAC banned and they don't know why because they weren't doing anything wrong at all, they don't even know how to cheat. Everyone was told that the only ones who can deal with them at all are Steam Support. [URL="http://www.vacbanned.com/images/seth_ban.png"]Steam Support will say, "That was our mistake, you've been unbanned" in support tickets if it's a mistaken ban.[/URL]
[B]Not a single screenshot of a Rust VAC ban being reversed has been posted.[/B]
You would think that would be world-shaking proof that the false-positive complainers, which we all brand as cheaters here, were right. They would lord that over me and the others who've laughed at them [B]so hard[/B].
And it hasn't happened.
Therefore, VAC is working properly.[/QUOTE]
I have a theory that in addition to being told to do so by the oh so trustworthy people that sell "hacks", the coming here and trying to plead innocence thing stems from people getting caught cheating in F2P/Cheap MMORPGS/FPS'. I've said this before, but back when I used to play Ragnarok Online people would regularly get busted for using bots to play the game for them. Seven times out of ten they got themselves unbanned multiple times by doing what the Rust crowd does now: playing dumb, claiming someone else was playing, threatening to turn the community, etc. There may have been other games where that behavior was commonplace, but RO was where I first saw it. Apparently this behavior still works to this day in seedier/lower quality games, so by some screwed up logic some think to try it to get away with cheating in Rust.
[QUOTE=SteakStyles;44321895]I have a theory that in addition to being told to do so by the oh so trustworthy people that sell "hacks", the coming here and trying to plead innocence thing stems from people getting caught cheating in F2P/Cheap MMORPGS/FPS'. I've said this before, but back when I used to play Ragnarok Online people would regularly get busted for using bots to play the game for them. Seven times out of ten they got themselves unbanned multiple times by doing what the Rust crowd does now: playing dumb, claiming someone else was playing, threatening to turn the community, etc. There may have been other games where that behavior was commonplace, but RO was where I first saw it. Apparently this behavior still works to this day in seedier/lower quality games, so by some screwed up logic some think to try it to get away with cheating in Rust.[/QUOTE]
I don't think it's even that, specifically.
I think it simply boils down to, you lose nothing (aside from being mocked and laughed at when you decide to post on FP about it) by appealing your VAC ban, and in the best-case scenario, you might get unbanned by chance or by gullibility. You actually have nothing to lose; you can't get double-VAC'd on the same game license, and Valve can't just ban you from other games because you made a support ticket when you were using every single detected cheat known to date. There's no "you should know better" punishment multiplier.
The other things Valve can do are trade-ban/community-ban you or lock your account altogether, but those punishments are reserved for other infractions, not getting a single VAC ban and complaining about it.
Anyway, let's not have this dumb thread hit page 6. I'm done here.
I think we should unban this guy
[QUOTE=SteakStyles;44321895]I have a theory that in addition to being told to do so by the oh so trustworthy people that sell "hacks", the coming here and trying to plead innocence thing stems from people getting caught cheating in F2P/Cheap MMORPGS/FPS'. I've said this before, but back when I used to play Ragnarok Online people would regularly get busted for using bots to play the game for them. Seven times out of ten they got themselves unbanned multiple times by doing what the Rust crowd does now: playing dumb, claiming someone else was playing, threatening to turn the community, etc. There may have been other games where that behavior was commonplace, but RO was where I first saw it. Apparently this behavior still works to this day in seedier/lower quality games, so by some screwed up logic some think to try it to get away with cheating in Rust.[/QUOTE]
That's because some game companies just don't give a shit as long as you keep giving them money. SOE who proclaimed they were on a holy quest to ban cheaters from Planetside 2 gave numerous cheaters "second chances" left and right. Their "enforcement team" sent emails to cheaters telling them they were giving them a second chance because they had spent X amount of dollars on their account. That's not something that was made up by cheaters to make SOE look bad. That was SOE making themselves look bad.
Like, I said some game companies just don't give a crap as long as they keep getting paid, even if it's on the back of their actual loyal customers.
Facepunch/Steam take the higher road. They don't give a crap...as long as you make a brand new Steam account and repurchase the game. That seems like a fair trade-off to me. And for those who have been dealing and buying in cheap Russian/etc. game keys, Steam has been clamping down on them.
[QUOTE=Sally;44326476]I think we should unban this guy[/QUOTE]
shh dont tell him!!!!
LOL awesome thread, but you all got trolled hard. I have to give it to him, he got all the anti-hacker sharks to bite.
:tinfoil:
You lost me at stupidest
[QUOTE=Truz;44315560]Fuck this shit, maybe I got banned for fucking locking my pc while being on this shit game. Well now I atleast know that I will tell everyone that they should not buy this game, it's a good game after all, but you get banned for nothing.[/QUOTE]
Yeah,people will listen your(cheater's)advice about buying a game or not.Go and sue VAC too (there is a guy over there and bans everyone ,he is so mad !)
Yet you managed to type "Free rust cheats" on Google but "Vac" You are nothing but a troll
Holy shit
is this what the rust subforums is always like
This shit is incredible
[QUOTE=jonnymad;44315499]Your profile is private, that's a warning sign on its own. Anyways, don't bother appealing, you cheated and you know it. There are no false positives, we get at least one of these a day and all are cheaters, now piss off please.[/QUOTE]
Maybe his profile is private because he uses it for personal communication with friends/family or doesn't want people creeping on his profile..
[QUOTE=Wolf532;44330320]Holy shit
is this what the rust subforums is always like
This shit is incredible[/QUOTE]
yeah this pretty much sums up the rust subs
[QUOTE=jonnymad;44317070]Take a look at his account. Only other games it could have POSSIBLY been are Gmod or CS:GO. Either way, it's still a major stretch.[/QUOTE]
Or he cheated on them in the past, and the ban caught up to him while he was on Rust, which would then mean he wasn't necessarily cheating on Rust.
Considering the amount of time it would take for the ban to catch up, he more then likely forgot.
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