[QUOTE=Mezamorphis;47327030]Hey you live in Hungary, don't you have some kind of fast internet like us :D?I mean you're right next to us. I'm paying 12,50e for 1gbps monthly.[/QUOTE]
I get like 25mb for 12 euros. Or something like that. Hungary and capitalism sucks ass.
My character is black.
[video=youtube;Qtmi4Nc-3dE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qtmi4Nc-3dE[/video]
[QUOTE=fruxodaily;47326737]I dare you to walk up to a couple of black guys and say "hey you niggers" and see how they're react, but you know by saying "stop being so easily offended guys I was just joking lol" they should totally understand what you were doing
This post cannot be real, casual racism on any degree is not okay, and it's not okay being called nigger or telling people to suck it up.[/QUOTE]
You're on the internet. You can't control what other people are going to do unless you are an administrator, in which this isn't a problem. Reports, maybe, but then you're at the mercy of the staff.
I play games on the internet regularly and I've heard every racial and homophobic slur in the book. Is this how it should be? Nope, but is there anything I can do about it? Nope! So the next solution is to not care so much.
Saying this is the equivalent to going up to a bunch of black dudes and calling them slurs in real life is flawed because everyone in the equation would have to be anonymous, and there's no real repercussions.
I completely agree that human behavior is not something a game can patch and everything elitewhitetail has said. The issue is with the players, not with the game, obviously.
However, the internet basically makes people completely anonymous and their behavior and actions don't have any direct consequences. This is why I think it's a valid argument to say that because of this introducing skin tone diversity isn't making the game better, it's making some player's experience a lot worse.
Honestly, do we REALLY need skin tone diversity, is this even something people that aren't white want to have in the game even if people by large amounts try to ruin their experience for it?
I think as game developers you're also partially responsible for the way players behave as you have such direct influence on it, especially in this case.
[QUOTE=wauterboi;47328742]You're on the internet. You can't control what other people are going to do unless you are an administrator, in which this isn't a problem. Reports, maybe, but then you're at the mercy of the staff.
I play games on the internet regularly and I've heard every racial and homophobic slur in the book. Is this how it should be? Nope, but is there anything I can do about it? Nope! So the next solution is to not care so much.
Saying this is the equivalent to going up to a bunch of black dudes and calling them slurs in real life is flawed because everyone in the equation would have to be anonymous, and there's no real repercussions.[/QUOTE]
yeah haha real easy to condescendingly dismiss casual homophobia and racism when you've never experienced either yourself
granted, i'm neither black nor gay but at least i don't pretend to understand how those people feel when confronted with bigotry at every turn and i never will, and neither will you. stop.
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"you're on the internet" is about as acceptable an excuse as "i was just joking/pretending"
[QUOTE=Dr. Gestapo;47329780]yeah haha real easy to condescendingly dismiss casual homophobia and racism when you've never experienced either yourself
granted, i'm neither black nor gay but at least i don't pretend to understand how those people feel when confronted with bigotry at every turn and i never will, and neither will you. stop.
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"you're on the internet" is about as acceptable an excuse as "i was just joking/pretending"[/QUOTE]
You can't fix it. The only way you can fix it is either with non-anonymity or administration handing out bans. That's really it.
I'd love for the internet to be a better place but we can't really do much about it. How do you stop someone from joining a server and spouting racial slurs?
[QUOTE=deputydawg;47327693]I'm sorry I live in a society where it's not deemed acceptable to discriminate against someone based upon their skin colour, however if the recent riots in parts of America are anything to go by, it is blatantly rife in that part of the world.
I am most certainly not oblivious to racism on Xbox Live, I have experienced it. Just because it happens else where, that doesn't make it acceptable.
I also find it ironic you say capitulation is the same as cowardice, however in the same breath you state you are happy to 'shrug and walk away' in the face of racism, homophobia, sexism and religious bigotry. All things that need to be removed from society. Do I get angry about it? Yes, actually, because it has no place in civilised society.
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I'm talking about a more libertarian system of government -- and FP has stressed freedom as part of their design philosophy. And our freedom of speech, which is what you're specifically trying to malign, I think, isn't to blame for the riots -- that was caused by cops shooting unarmed black kids. I think we would have all preferred if the cops had just shouted racist shit at them instead. I'd rather live in a country where hate speech is tolerated (though marginalized, because free speech, in our philosophy, only equates to free from legal repercussions, not social ones) than one with thought-police.
And I'm not saying that the racism on XBL is acceptable -- I'm saying that's how human beings tend to behave when given anonymity, and that what's happening in Rust isn't an anomaly. There's not really anything you can do about it.
Capitulation would be giving in to what they'd like to see happen (ie, removing diversity). I'm saying to instead grow a thicker skin, because racists aren't going anywhere -- so don't feed the trolls, don't give the racists a win. Instead, just take the adult route and recognize that you're dealing with idiot children whose insults are meaningless and deal accordingly.
I play on asian servers and we get a different kind of rascism. Since the new skin tones there were no additional racism. the whole weekend people went their normal way raiding and building and noone really bother mention skin tones except "wow i'm a black man haha".
The rasicm we get here is real. japaneses insulting chineses, korean insulting chineses, race gangs consisting of only japanese or only chineses, that go and rule the server. the kind of gang you have 0% of joining unless you're japanese. some are left out, and as a canadian, i team up with malasian korean and chinese players.
this skin tones rasism will dissipate soon, every tone are random and chances is that you will have a different tone than your friend, so its not like you can go on a race killing spree cause you'll probably have to be against your own team members.
[QUOTE=RelaxNerds;47328113]Why not just make skin color/customization a player choice instead of randomized and tied to steamID, so if you don't want to be berated and called a 'nigger' all day, you aren't forced to?
Look, I like the steamID skin color thing, I really do; it doesn't bother me in the slightest and I think it bring a lot of uniqueness to people characters, but why not let the player customize their own newman? Would it really change a whole lot aside from appeasing people who don't want to roll with whatever their toon currently looks like?
Is this really such an unnecessary dumb and ridiculous suggestion? Sure bigots are gonna be bigots regardless of the medium, but being able to choose whether or not you have a huge fucking target on you regarding it would be somewhat nice, no?
I don't see how it's either 'we keep it as is' or 'remove it entirely'. We do have other options here people.[/QUOTE]
The problem here is that then you'd have no variety. The competitive players would pick whatever tone blended in the best with night time, the racists would only pick whites, and you'd have a handful of asians. I say stay the course. Most of the racists will get bored soon enough and the people who don't will either alienate themselves from the rest of the server, or find like minded enough individuals who can occupy a server together.
I find it ironic that the people so viciously against racism and bigotry are saying things like they'll just kill the racists online since they cant do it in the real world are simply mirroring exactly what the racists say, its hypocritical. They are Hating the Haters, rather than trying to truly understand them and not getting sucked into the vicious cycle or treating it with the same emotion.
It seems to me that so many people seem to not understand that "words" HAVE NO power unless you choose them do so, if fact you can turn any "racist" or "hate" word into a "term of endearment", i love it when negro's or hispanic's call me a white cracker or white maggot, crackers are nice to eat with bits of ham on it, and white maggots are good to eat away rotten flesh and other helpful things in medicine.
It's obviously not just white people who tend to be racist, i have had negro's and Mexican's calling for the genocide of the white race and telling me to kill myself, i just find it amusing and know that there is an underlining reason for why they say all these things and its best to try to understand them rather than fall into the same system of hate like they have..
Remember Racism is really about Hate, and there is nothing wrong with Hate, we have had it drummed into our heads that Hate is bad, but its not, it can be quite a useful tool if one is able to control their hate and themselves, in fact it seems to me that people are trying eradicate Hate all together. Well ilike my hate as much as i like my love.
Imagine one is carrying two buckets, a bucket in each hand, a bucket full of Love and a bucket full of Hate, if one gets rid of a bucket one will walk unbalanced, if one tries to carry more than one bucket in one hand one will continue to walk unbalanced. Equal Love and Hate keep one balanced but keeping control of how you carry them is equally important.
Treating Hate with Hate will not fix the problem.
[QUOTE=GrymThor;47331870]Remember Racism is really about Hate, and there is nothing wrong with Hate[/QUOTE]
What?
Oh man, this would make for a great title. Too bad people can't buy them anymore.
an easy solution is to play on administrated servers, or play on modded servers that autoban for saying racial slurs in chat.
If they are close enough to use their mic, just shoot them in the face.
Honestly, just because you are a certain skin color does not force someone to target you, those people are just stupid people pure and simple.
Being able to customize your character would be cool, but Honestly I like the idea of my SteamID giving me a look, kind of like being born, maybe they should add like a blueprint of appearance or something and you can learn how to change your looks like with science like in real life with chemicals and surgery.
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[QUOTE=GrymThor;47331870] its hypocritical. They are Hating the Haters, rather than trying to truly understand them.[/QUOTE]
I don't think turning the other cheek to racists is the answer, if they are that close minded or perhaps brainwashed or simply nature vs nurtured that way then that is a sad state, but I think the real answer is to realize that most of the people calling you a racial slur on the internet probably are not real racists.
Chances are that they are probably just trying to get a rise out of you and attention whore., so in that case do not give them any stimulation they will get bored and leave, you can also privately get a staff member of a moderated server to ban them later.
[QUOTE=deputydawg;47322244]Please tell me how my post is dumb? If racism is OK, and after complaining the first time I was told "It's 2015, people can call other people 'nigger'", then Rust isn't a game I want to play.[/QUOTE]
Rust isn't responsible for racism, the people playing are. I would agree with you that the average mental age of most Rust player seems to be about 9-10 years old. But if players can't see a depiction of a penis without giggling for 10 mins and making every "penis" joke they can think of, and they can't see a depiction of a black man without yelling "nigger!" then that is a sad reflection of our society or the players of computer games, not FacePunch's fault.
I do agree that it's pathetic and annoying, but this is [B]supposed[/B] to be an adult game. [I](I wish there was some way of enforcing that BTW, and removing all the kids on here).[/I] I [B]DON'T[/B] think that FacePunch should have to bow to the lowest common denominator by censoring nudity, moderating chat, banning swearing or cursing, or in any other way lessen the game to accommodate morons.
[QUOTE=Dr. Gestapo;47329780]yeah haha real easy to condescendingly dismiss casual homophobia and racism when you've never experienced either yourself[/QUOTE]What is "casual homophobia"? There's nothing casual about homophobia or racism: you are hateful and prejudice to race or sexual orientation or you aren't. You sound like a certain someone...
[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;46039977]Misogyny and sexism isn't necessarily "rawr i hate women >:("
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Might I add that using racial and homophobic slurs does not make one a racist or a homophobe. An idiot, sure, but it's not "casual racism".
And I've yet to hear a proper solution to this whole racism thing other than play on administrated servers or deal with it. What do you want to happen to these guys, game-wide bans? Whitelists? What's the alternate solution? And do you think garry or the rest of the Rust team are going to care enough to develop a system that stops people from going into a server saying "nigger"?
It is a problem, for sure, but I don't make the rules of society and there is no solution.
[QUOTE=neil.hillman;47332517]Rust isn't responsible for racism, the people playing are. I would agree with you that the average mental age of most Rust player seems to be about 9-10 years old. But if players can't see a depiction of a penis without giggling for 10 mins and making every "penis" joke they can think of, and they can't see a depiction of a black man without yelling "nigger!" then that is a sad reflection of our society or the players of computer games, not FacePunch's fault.
I do agree that it's pathetic and annoying, but this is [B]supposed[/B] to be an adult game. [I](I wish there was some way of enforcing that BTW, and removing all the kids on here).[/I] I [B]DON'T[/B] think that FacePunch should have to bow to the lowest common denominator by censoring nudity, moderating chat, banning swearing or cursing, or in any other way lessen the game to accommodate morons.[/QUOTE]
Sadly even if you did get rid of all the kids the amount of racism will probably not be lowered. In my personal experience it's usually adults that are being racist...
Facepunch doesn't have to bow to the lowest common denominator but my point still stands. Facepunch is always partially responsible for and influential to the type of experience the player has playing Rust. Therefore I still think it's a bad move to introduce skin tone diversity and I definitely think it's bad to FORCE someone into that skin tone.
It makes no sense to me to basically show personal information about a player when the other players can use that to anonymously bash them for it.
Again, what does the game feature add vs what it destroys. I think it's clear that for a lot of players it makes their experience a lot worse and it doesn't really add anything for them.
[QUOTE=Falxhor;47333008]It makes no sense to me to basically show personal information about a player when the other players can use that to anonymously bash them for it.[/QUOTE]
What "personal information" is being transmitted by assigning skin colour semi-randomly based on Steam ID?
If someone is willing to call you vulgar racist slurs because of the colour of pixels on your bald-headed naked rock dude, that person was a terrible person before the skin colour update. Facepunch isn't responsible for them being racist, nor did it influence players into being racist by adding skin tone ranges you can't choose from. That's silly.
The feature adds visual diversity, which aids in making the game look more interesting and less alpha. It destroys nothing except the reputations of shitty people when they use it as an opportunity to reveal that they're full of hatred and/or stupidity.
[QUOTE=Prov3rbial;47330783]I'm talking about a more libertarian system of government -- and FP has stressed freedom as part of their design philosophy. And our freedom of speech, which is what you're specifically trying to malign, I think, isn't to blame for the riots -- that was caused by cops shooting unarmed black kids. I think we would have all preferred if the cops had just shouted racist shit at them instead. I'd rather live in a country where hate speech is tolerated (though marginalized, because free speech, in our philosophy, only equates to free from legal repercussions, not social ones) than one with thought-police.
And I'm not saying that the racism on XBL is acceptable -- I'm saying that's how human beings tend to behave when given anonymity, and that what's happening in Rust isn't an anomaly. There's not really anything you can do about it.
Capitulation would be giving in to what they'd like to see happen (ie, removing diversity). I'm saying to instead grow a thicker skin, because racists aren't going anywhere -- so don't feed the trolls, don't give the racists a win. Instead, just take the adult route and recognize that you're dealing with idiot children whose insults are meaningless and deal accordingly.[/QUOTE]
You contradict yourself completely here; you say we should not capitulate to the racists by changing the game, however you tell me to capitulate to them by ignoring them and let them use the language they use towards me and 'grow a thicker skin'. I have a thick skin, you have to have a thick skin to play a game in which hours and even days of work can be destroyed in no more than five or 10 minutes. This isn't about 'having a thick skin', it's about saying racism is not acceptable, regardless of the medium.
Saying there's nothing anyone can do about it doesn't help matters at all either, nor does saying "Oh well I can kill the racists". What if you're a fresh spawn and can't, like I was the first few times? I was literally running with a rock away from people with guns and/or bows shouting "nigger" at me, killing them back isn't an answer.
[QUOTE=GrymThor;47331870]I find it ironic that the people so viciously against racism and bigotry are saying things like they'll just kill the racists online since they cant do it in the real world are simply mirroring exactly what the racists say, its hypocritical. They are Hating the Haters, rather than trying to truly understand them and not getting sucked into the vicious cycle or treating it with the same emotion.
It seems to me that so many people seem to not understand that "words" HAVE NO power unless you choose them do so, if fact you can turn any "racist" or "hate" word into a "term of endearment", i love it when negro's or hispanic's call me a white cracker or white maggot, crackers are nice to eat with bits of ham on it, and white maggots are good to eat away rotten flesh and other helpful things in medicine.
It's obviously not just white people who tend to be racist, i have had negro's and Mexican's calling for the genocide of the white race and telling me to kill myself, i just find it amusing and know that there is an underlining reason for why they say all these things and its best to try to understand them rather than fall into the same system of hate like they have..
Remember Racism is really about Hate, and there is nothing wrong with Hate, we have had it drummed into our heads that Hate is bad, but its not, it can be quite a useful tool if one is able to control their hate and themselves, in fact it seems to me that people are trying eradicate Hate all together. Well ilike my hate as much as i like my love.
Imagine one is carrying two buckets, a bucket in each hand, a bucket full of Love and a bucket full of Hate, if one gets rid of a bucket one will walk unbalanced, if one tries to carry more than one bucket in one hand one will continue to walk unbalanced. Equal Love and Hate keep one balanced but keeping control of how you carry them is equally important.
Treating Hate with Hate will not fix the problem.[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure you appreciate the meaning of these racial slurs. There's a big difference between being called "cracker" - a name-call which derives from slave drivers whipping slaves on cotton fields to being called "nigger" - a word that symbolises an entire race as not only being thought of as property but being subhuman as well. Words have a lot of power.
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[QUOTE=wauterboi;47332556]What is "casual homophobia"? There's nothing casual about homophobia or racism: you are hateful and prejudice to race or sexual orientation or you aren't. You sound like a certain someone...
Might I add that using racial and homophobic slurs does not make one a racist or a homophobe. An idiot, sure, but it's not "casual racism".
And I've yet to hear a proper solution to this whole racism thing other than play on administrated servers or deal with it. What do you want to happen to these guys, game-wide bans? Whitelists? What's the alternate solution? And do you think garry or the rest of the Rust team are going to care enough to develop a system that stops people from going into a server saying "nigger"?
It is a problem, for sure, but I don't make the rules of society and there is no solution.[/QUOTE]
Why shouldn't they care to do that? Is that really what they would want their game to be; a breeding ground for racial hatred and bigotry? I, personally, would be severely disappointed if something I created turned into that. There is a solution and that is to added a system where-by people can be effectively reported for this kind of language and behaviour.
I second this thread. I knew the outcome of this change. I am not saying its bad to be multi-cultural but what it is causing is another way for "children" 10-13 over using the Spanish term for black. Kids should not be playing this game in the first place but age will never be truthful. We can only blame the parents for exposing there child to it and let them ask why were they jailed later on.
can we do one thing while we discuss this? be clear that the people using this word are not saying negir in russian, or niger in ital/spanish or any variation of the excuse that they are just using a word similar to "nigger". they might be ignorant of how terrible a history this word has, but they are using it with the intent to insult people. we need to stop making excuses like this for them
[QUOTE=deputydawg;47333360] I'm not sure you appreciate the meaning of these racial slurs. There's a big difference between being called "cracker" - a name-call which derives from slave drivers whipping slaves on cotton fields to being called "nigger" - a word that symbolises an entire race as not only being thought of as property but being subhuman as well. Words have a lot of power.[/QUOTE]
Oh i understand the meaning alright but i don't think you understand what i'm saying, Words only have power if you [B]CHOOSE[/B] it to do so, the power of that word can also be changed depending on your [B]CHOICE[/B], and it is [B]CHOICES[/B] that have far more power than any word and their meaning. Words are objective, it is people who [B]CHOOSE[/B] to make them subjective. Those who choose to give racist and insults subjective power are partially responsible for the effect they have, they [B]BELIEVE[/B] in the power of the words, and its Belief and belief systems that are at the core of every war, violent incident and racism. The only solution to it is to stop believing in anything. Accept everything whether you like it or not.
What if Facepunch makes it in a way that with every wipe or with every change to player models the mechanism how you get your character rolls again, so eventually everybody ends up with every race at one point.
[QUOTE=Krovkolosh;47333588]What if Facepunch makes it in a way that with every wipe or with every change to player models the mechanism how you get your character rolls again, so eventually everybody ends up with every race at one point.[/QUOTE]
That's not a solution. There's always gonna be black dudes, so you're just changing who gets harassed.
[QUOTE=wauterboi;47333623]That's not a solution. There's always gonna be black dudes, so you're just changing who gets harassed.[/QUOTE]
But maybe the racists get harrased by other racists and some of them will learn from their previous stupidity. It is also possible that i believe in a nonexistent learning aptitude of every human being :-D
It's kinda troublesome to me that people think that only black colored players are getting called niggers.
I get called racial slurs all the time. Way before dark skin was introduced to rust.
I am not sure what everyone is all crazy about, assholes exist, there are going to be some racist ones out there as well, just ban/mute them and move on seriously it's a game.
This is a big old can of worms. I say well done to Rust for having the courage to open it up.
[QUOTE=deputydawg;47322210]I've been playing today and been called "nigger" by about six different people. This is ridiculous, is there anything that can be done about this? These skin colours seem like a poor decision.[/QUOTE]
Did you do any of the things you would normally do if you caught said player glitching or exploiting? Did you ask them to stop? Did you out them on chat? Did you ask the admin to warn or ban them for harassment?
Blaming random skin color assignment is as silly as expecting Facepunch to address violations of the unwritten Rust Verbal Morality Code... when they can barely keep on top of hackers with the help of a full-time vendor. If you're going to request something, make it "selective muting" of other players' microphones. Trolls love captive audiences.
[QUOTE=Prov3rbial;47322579]I'm black in game too. People kept shouting at me, and I murdered a bunch of dudes with a spear. Was awesome. There was talk in chat (and voice chat) of forming a KKK group, so I tried to start a Black Panthers movement, which sadly didn't work out. If that's not (a totally absurd, hilarious and entertaining version of) emergent gameplay, I'm not sure what is.
But yeah. I think the OP has a basic misunderstanding of how the internet operates. The devs and game have nothing to do with racism; that's player fueled bullshit, and the people who do it are mostly harmless in real life. Anonymity leads the less mature, less intelligent among us to turn into half-retarded little animals (because they see no consequences for either party), and that's something you'll always deal with online.
These kids are going to get bored with this stuff before too long, and it'll be business as usual (which really isn't much better, sans being less racially offensive).
And full disclosure, I'm not white in real life.[/QUOTE]
Not entirely sure if you meant that solution as one of fighting fire with fire, or one of fighting ignorance with righteousness.
Whichever it was, I find that solution particularly funny, as living in the south has shown me, time and time again, that the modern Black Panthers are about as racist as they come, and are much larger than the KKK are these days. :P
At this rate Garry will get fed up with us squabbling and the next patch will randomly asign us various shades of purple or green skin.
As I understand it skin colour is just the 1st pass of your unique visual id being tied to your Steam id, and that id is yours no matter how many times the server wipes or you change server. This is an interesting solution to the problem of how do you identify someone who is helpful to you from that bastard griefer that keeps stalking you.
Other possible solutions -
Some sort of rep system - Garry has stated he is opposed to that idea due to gameplay reasons
Name tags - could be exploited and coding so that it does not expose a hiding player may be an issue
I am sure there are other solutions but they all have problems when applied to Rust
Hopefully once the novelty factor has worn off some of the racial insults will die down (given human nature it is too much to hope that they will all stop)
[QUOTE=deputydawg;47333360]You contradict yourself completely here; you say we should not capitulate to the racists by changing the game, however you tell me to capitulate to them by ignoring them and let them use the language they use towards me and 'grow a thicker skin'. I have a thick skin, you have to have a thick skin to play a game in which hours and even days of work can be destroyed in no more than five or 10 minutes. This isn't about 'having a thick skin', it's about saying racism is not acceptable, regardless of the medium.
Saying there's nothing anyone can do about it doesn't help matters at all either, nor does saying "Oh well I can kill the racists". What if you're a fresh spawn and can't, like I was the first few times? I was literally running with a rock away from people with guns and/or bows shouting "nigger" at me, killing them back isn't an answer.[/QUOTE]
I'm not saying to ignore them -- tell them they're being childish assholes, raid them, whatever personally satisfies your inner crusader. That might include the much more adult option of telling idiot kids online, "whatever, dude," and walking away, sure. But you do whatever is right for you. Like I said, this is only going to offend you as much as you let it (and again, I'm not a white person, and I still don't really give a shit that dumbasses act like dumbasses -- when somebody shouted ignorant, racist shit at my black character, I tried to start a Black Panther movement. I turned their stupid shit into my good time). We all agree racism sucks -- everybody in this thread agrees on that point, but the idea of altering the current system is the issue. To remove race or make it optional would be capitulation.[I] That's[/I] what I am saying.
And guess what? You would be killed as a naked either way. That's how most people in this game operate, and that was the case before this update too. Now, they just have an excuse to say some idiotic shit while they do it -- this didn't change gameplay for you one iota.
And if you don't understand how the internet operates, I am jealous of you. You're one of those rare, gleaming beacons of hope in a deep, dark sea of shit. Stay golden, Pony Boy.
[editline]16th March 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Leon Garoux;47334198]Not entirely sure if you meant that solution as one of fighting fire with fire, or one of fighting ignorance with righteousness.
Whichever it was, I find that solution particularly funny, as living in the south has shown me, time and time again, that the modern Black Panthers are about as racist as they come, and are much larger than the KKK are these days. :P[/QUOTE]
A little of column A, a little of column B. More than anything, I just wasn't going to let douchebags ruin my good time, and I wanted to have fun at their expense. And I totally did have a blast.
As for the real life Black Panthers, yeah, they can be. I think it tends to be more of an over-reaction to history and modern racism in politics and black folks being hassled in their day-to-day lives (stop and frisk and its sister-programs across the country) rather than any actual disdain for white people, in most cases though.
In real life, there are dumb racist fucks.
In an apocalypse situation like Rust they'd still be there.
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