Racism - Rust - Facepunch Forum

I haven't played since the update, but racist comments were pretty rampant before. I can imagine they have increased since the update but as many have stated that is a symptom of our culture not anything that can be blamed on Facepunch. I'm sure you don't appreciate being referred to with racial epithets. I'm sure "real" racial minorities don't, either. It's pretty interesting Facepunch has been able to give you some insight into the plight of minorities as they face blatant racism on the net, in gaming, and in the world at large. The fact that you can't control your race is key to this system. Perhaps if some of these bigots draw a minority character skin they will stop playing. Good riddance, I'd say. In the mean time-- if you can't handle bigoted, racist, and hurtful remarks you probably shouldn't be playing a game with voice-chat to begin with.

[QUOTE=cinderstar;47341721]Are you denying that the racist comments have increased since the change? Any evidence of that, when we have a ton of evidence that they have increased? People are making a lot of racist comments now in the game. Some people don't like that. Does it bother you if someone speaks up and says they don't like it?[/QUOTE] seriously, what do you want after all ? this topic si already too long. They won't remove the damn skin colors, where in the fucking world did you hear them do that to any game? if there are idiots out there insulting people because of the skin color that's their problem, by your standards wouldn't it be more racist to remove the skin color and leave only white models? just one example of many, I knew a guy from Serbia that was calling any guy that he knew was black or just a bit more tanned in real life a "kebab" and he was saying on the chat that "all the kebabs should go back to their country". That was just one of many. Still I'd like you to answer to my first question if possible

This is not a problem related with the game nor the developers / admins.. some people are just born as douchebags.. nothing we can do about it.. just deal with it and laugh at them and their tiny brains

[QUOTE=Dionysus9;47342046]I haven't played since the update, but racist comments were pretty rampant before. I can imagine they have increased since the update but as many have stated that is a symptom of our culture not anything that can be blamed on Facepunch. I'm sure you don't appreciate being referred to with racial epithets. I'm sure "real" racial minorities don't, either. It's pretty interesting Facepunch has been able to give you some insight into the plight of minorities as they face blatant racism on the net, in gaming, and in the world at large. The fact that you can't control your race is key to this system. Perhaps if some of these bigots draw a minority character skin they will stop playing. Good riddance, I'd say. In the mean time-- if you can't handle bigoted, racist, and hurtful remarks you probably shouldn't be playing a game with voice-chat to begin with.[/QUOTE] Totally agree with this. I remember my kids wanting to play some X-Box games online with a headset years ago. I jumped on and played some with them, and after hearing the comments was like, "Uh, sorry, but you can't use your headset anymore." As they got older, more mature, and more educated I let them use the headset. I also taught them NOT to speak like that online as well. I told them it doesn't matter that you're sitting in your room hiding behind your screen name - you never talk to anyone like that anywhere. The online world of games has been and always will be a place where closet racists and misogynists (or ignorant kids that just don't know any better) can fly their flags high.

[QUOTE=cinderstar;47341721]Are you denying that the racist comments have increased since the change? Any evidence of that, when we have a ton of evidence that they have increased? People are making a lot of racist comments now in the game. Some people don't like that. Does it bother you if someone speaks up and says they don't like it?[/QUOTE] Nobody is saying that they haven't increased, dipshit. Deputy said he'd never seen [I]any[/I] in the game previously, and has sort of implied he's never seen any online period. The previous points were that we've all heard racist comments before in Rust, so how did the update [I]create[/I] the racism? Obviously it's been placed front and center, but it already existed before this. So aside from him pretending to have been the one and a million lucky enough to never come across it, why weren't there threads about being called racial slurs before? This isn't new, it's just bigger. And maybe you don't understand how conversations work. Deputy says what he wants, then another person says what they want, and we all try to better understand our own and each others' opinions. So does it bother me that he's saying what he wants? No, because we're having a conversation. Seriously, dude, do you always [I]try[/I] to be the lowest common denominator?

[QUOTE=Prov3rbial;47342584]Nobody is saying that they haven't increased, dipshit. [B]Deputy said he'd never seen [I]any[/I] in the game previously, and has sort of implied he's never seen any online period.[/B] The previous points were that we've all heard racist comments before in Rust, so how did the update [I]create[/I] the racism? Obviously it's been placed front and center, but it already existed before this. So aside from him pretending to have been the one and a million lucky enough to never come across it, why weren't there threads about being called racial slurs before? This isn't new, it's just bigger. And maybe you don't understand how conversations work. Deputy says what he wants, then another person says what they want, and we all try to better understand our own and each others' opinions. So does it bother me that he's saying what he wants? No, because we're having a conversation. Seriously, dude, do you always [I]try[/I] to be the lowest common denominator?[/QUOTE] Please highlight where I have implied never having seen racism online at all? You're plucking that one out of no where, especially considering I have said I have experienced racism on Xbox Live in this very thread. And why would I post complaining about racism elsewhere on the internet in the Rust forums? Of course I have come across it but that's not relevant to this discussion; I had not come across racism on Rust until this update. As far as why there weren't threads on this before; I don't know but I don't see why it matters, there is now. Use common sense. I also hardly think calling someone a dipshit is trying to understand their opinion.

[QUOTE=deputydawg;47342863]Please highlight where I have implied never having seen racism online at all? You're plucking that one out of no where, especially considering I have said I have experienced racism on Xbox Live in this very thread. And why would I post complaining about racism elsewhere on the internet in the Rust forums? Of course I have come across it but that's not relevant to this discussion; I had not come across racism on Rust until this update. As far as why there weren't threads on this before; I don't know but I don't see why it matters, there is now. Use common sense. I also hardly think calling someone a dipshit is trying to understand their opinion.[/QUOTE] Remember when I talked about anonymity earlier? That's what I was referencing. And if you understand how people behave online, why are we having this conversation? Once you've reached that point, it's like we talked about earlier -- do we solve it by white-washing the game so that you don't get your teeny-weenie lil' feeluns' hurt? Because even that won't stop racism, you just won't be the occasional target for trolls. Maybe you're some bizarre example of somebody whose never seen racism in Rust (though you say you've seen how online communities behave on other sites, so I don't get why you don't see a correlation), but other people in this thread, myself included, have mentioned how we've seen this shit since the beginning -- it's just a question of scale, and I suspect this will wind down. You can scream endlessly about how racism is wrong, and everybody agrees, but nothing FP has done has encouraged racism. Given that, how do they save your feelings from the big-bad online bullies? What should they do?

[QUOTE=Mezamorphis;47342057] just one example of many, I knew a guy from Serbia that was calling any guy that he knew was black or just a bit more tanned in real life a "kebab" and he was saying on the chat that "all the kebabs should go back to their country". That was just one of many. Still I'd like you to answer to my first question if possible[/QUOTE] The Serbians do not give a fuck. They completely reject the Western mindset, and feel like a brother country to Russia, which hasn't the best human rights record. Enable closed captions on this video to see a translation. [video=youtube;pKiB8-2LK6s]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKiB8-2LK6s[/video]

Why are we talking about Serbian nationalism in the Rust subforum? This topic has derailed, killed 12 people, undergone a federal investigation, and led to a tightening of rail safety laws in four pages. The same thing's going to happen again when female models are introduced to the game - a bunch of horrible people are going to either hit on or say nasty shit to anyone in a female avatar, or they'll just KoS female models while screaming about rape. They're horrible, immature people, and nothing about the game will need to be changed to respond to them. Rust isn't making anyone racist, some people who are racist or pathetically immature own copies of it. Kill them, block them, or play on a server where the admin bans fools for that shit.

I think the issue is larger than a racial or ethno centic view of skin colors and random avatar assignment, Its about controlling how you choose to represent yourself to the online world, Randomizing our facial feautes, skin color (basically our avatar) takes away from the whole "Player Freedom" aspect triumphed in rust alpha. If the avatar aesthetics are randomly assigned, I'd like to see things like beards, scarring, grey hair, etc. to encourage individuality and make the long term game more enchanting.

Probably the key thing here is that a lot of the players spouting racist shit probably aren't actually racist, they're just children, both man and literal, who think that trying to be offensive as possible is cool and/or funny. Removing races because of them is probably the [I]worst[/I] thing you can do, because you're pretty much letting them know that they have power and encouraging that kind of behavior. The best thing you can do is just ignore them, because then you're denying them the attention and anger they're trying to create.

I think the skin color randomization is both a great analogy to the real world and pretty unique.

[sarcasm]OMG Facepunch is racist, where are all the white animals?!?!?!?[/sarcasm] [IMG]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ed/Polarwolf004.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/09/Polar_Bear_-_Alaska.jpg/800px-Polar_Bear_-_Alaska.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://senecawhitedeer.org/white-deer-wildlife/jumping-buck.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/37/Sus_Barbatus%2C_the_Bornean_Bearded_Pig_%2812616351323%29.jpg/506px-Sus_Barbatus%2C_the_Bornean_Bearded_Pig_%2812616351323%29.jpg[/IMG] I wonder if these variants of the animals were introduced, would they start calling each other names and being racist towards each other? Well, no because: 1. Animals can't talk, obviously. 2. They wouldn't care. Got me thinking as I was walking my dogs through a park, along with loads of other dogs of different breeds/shapes/colours and sizes. There was no "ganging up" based on something as arbitrary as their colour. There were pack dynamics at work sure, but that's very a different thing. Pack dynamics are about survival, trust and immediate environmental pressures. These things are accommodated and explored in Rust. Racism is not. To the OP, this change did not create more racism, it just highlighted it. It must also be mentioned that a lot of this ignorant name calling is originating from people who live in countries where the majority is of one ethnicity. It's easy to be ignorant of the many differences that exist within the human race if you're only surrounded by people who look just like you, yet another reason why I think this recent change to the game is a good thing. I've been reading "Heart of Darkness" by Joseph Conrad (who changed his name from Konrad Korzeniowski because of, yes, you guessed it - racism). It's a great book, and really explores this issue to the core. It was written in 1902, which is crazy considering how far "advanced" as a civilisation we are supposed to be in 2015. It's a short book and is available free to download [URL="https://www.aub.edu.lb/fas/cvsp/Documents/reading_selections/204/Spring%202013/CS-204-ReadingSelections-Conrad-HeartDarknestDarkness.pdf"]here[/URL] as a .pdf if any of you have the time to give it a look.

I found it amusing that my in game friends are as white as can be, and I am Lebanese. They spawned Asian, Black, and other, but apparently my SteamID is of a pasty white hairless human. with a HUGE noggin.

[QUOTE=y0himba;47349537]I found it amusing that my in game friends are as white as can be, and I am Lebanese. They spawned Asian, Black, and other, but apparently my SteamID is of a pasty white hairless human. with a HUGE noggin.[/QUOTE] I'm white with blue hair. I guess one outta two ain't bad.

[QUOTE=deputydawg;47322210]I've been playing today and been called "nigger" by about six different people. This is ridiculous, is there anything that can be done about this? These skin colours seem like a poor decision.[/QUOTE] Real people being called "nigger" don't have a way to change their skin color. Deal.

My avatar is white and they call me nigger. It doesn't really matter what you look like ingame.

[QUOTE=Skyward;47381302]Real people being called "nigger" don't have a way to change their skin color. Deal.[/QUOTE] wtf? Real people who don't have a chance to change their skin color have said this bothers them in the game. So we have to all be quiet now, and make sure not to talk about racism? Yeah, that will help.

The people who this seems to bother are the minority. (That sentence is a double entendre, I meant the non-racist one.)

[QUOTE=utilitron;47381650]The people who this seems to bother are the minority. (That sentence is a double entendre, I meant the non-racist one.)[/QUOTE] Funny, in the US too, the people who are bothered by racism are the minority. White people, for the most part, don't really care - it doesn't affect them much. A lot of white people will say racism is not really a big deal.

[QUOTE=cinderstar;47381831]Funny, in the US too, the people who are bothered by racism are the minority. White people, for the most part, don't really care - it doesn't affect them much. A lot of white people will say racism is not really a big deal.[/QUOTE] It affects White people more than you realize, did you hear about the White students who were refused entry to a student union-funded "anti-racism" event at Ryerson University? The reason was because it was assumed that these white students had never been "Racialized" The Ryerson student newspaper reports that two white students were barred from a meeting of the Racialized Students’ Collective March 11. First-year journalism students Trevor Hewitt and Julia Knope were told that because they were not victims of racialization, they were not allowed to stay in the meeting room and report on the event. Hewitt and Knope said they made eye contact with an unidentified woman who appeared to be setting up for the event. She approached Hewitt and Knope and asked if they had ever been racialized. Hewitt said he then told the woman he wanted to cover the meeting for an assignment. He said the woman told him that because he was not a racialized student, he could not sit in on the meeting. Hewitt and Knope then left the room. It's getting worse every year, We have the New Black Panthers group talking about walking into hospitals and killing white babies not long after they were born(US), we have sex grooming gangs targeting white female teens(UK), we have farmers and their families being murdered and their land taken as well as all White people being banned from owning land (South Africa), we have radical religious extremists targeting white people simply because of our cultural differences(EU) and then we have and finally we have sex groups targeting White Traditions(marriage and morality) simply because they don't conform to their sexual needs. This is something white people are facing everyday but most of it you rarely hear about simply because its not considered news by mainstream media outlets but it seems more and more white people are waking up to these facts. when i yell out "Yeah Go White people! kick arse!" i get told not to be racist, but i tell em its not racism its Team Spirit, Go Team White! nothing wrong with saying your team is the best.

[QUOTE=GrymThor;47382162]It affects White people more than you realize, did you hear about the White students who were refused entry to a student union-funded "anti-racism" event at Ryerson University? The reason was because it was assumed that these white students had never been "Racialized" The Ryerson student newspaper reports that two white students were barred from a meeting of the Racialized Students’ Collective March 11. First-year journalism students Trevor Hewitt and Julia Knope were told that because they were not victims of racialization, they were not allowed to stay in the meeting room and report on the event. Hewitt and Knope said they made eye contact with an unidentified woman who appeared to be setting up for the event. She approached Hewitt and Knope and asked if they had ever been racialized. Hewitt said he then told the woman he wanted to cover the meeting for an assignment. He said the woman told him that because he was not a racialized student, he could not sit in on the meeting. Hewitt and Knope then left the room. It's getting worse every year, We have the New Black Panthers group talking about walking into hospitals and killing white babies not long after they were born(US), we have sex grooming gangs targeting white female teens(UK), we have farmers and their families being murdered and their land taken as well as all White people being banned from owning land (South Africa), we have radical religious extremists targeting white people simply because of our cultural differences(EU) and then we have and finally we have sex groups targeting White Traditions(marriage and morality) simply because they don't conform to their sexual needs. This is something white people are facing everyday but most of it you rarely hear about simply because its not considered news by mainstream media outlets but it seems more and more white people are waking up to these facts. when i yell out "Yeah Go White people! kick arse!" i get told not to be racist, but i tell em its not racism its Team Spirit, Go Team White! nothing wrong with saying your team is the best.[/QUOTE] Too much logic in this post, it burnssss ! it might go unnoticed or someone will change the subject.

[QUOTE=GrymThor;47382162]This is something white people are facing everyday [/QUOTE] wait, what am I facing every day? who is stealing my babies and my farm? where's my M4?

This is dumb why shouldn't we be able to choose skin colour I always play as the darkest shade of black possible so I can hide naked in shadows

[QUOTE=cinderstar;47382382]wait, what am I facing every day? who is stealing my babies and my farm? where's my M4?[/QUOTE] ahhh you're one of those Zoolander kids who cant read good and want to do other things good too.

No - I just love the fact you were seriously telling people that black people are going to kill their babies. Good one. And rape their daughters. And steal their farms. I understand - oh, yes, I understand you perfectly. You were telling us how we should be afraid of people of different races, because they will "kill our babies".

[QUOTE=cinderstar;47382626]No - I just love the fact you were seriously telling people that black people are going to kill their babies. Good one. And rape their daughters. And steal their farms. I understand - oh, yes, I understand you perfectly. You were telling us how we should be afraid of people of different races, because they will "kill our babies".[/QUOTE] "Forget what you say you mean, I know what you mean by what you say and you don't."

[QUOTE=cinderstar;47382626]No - I just love the fact you were seriously telling people that black people are going to kill their babies. Good one. And rape their daughters. And steal their farms. I understand - oh, yes, I understand you perfectly. You were telling us how we should be afraid of people of different races, because they will "kill our babies".[/QUOTE] to be fair, he's simply recounting actual events around the world that show racism is not only applied to black people, not promoting fear of others. i think you are twisting his words a tiny bit:)

[QUOTE=cinderstar;47382626]No - I just love the fact you were seriously telling people that black people are going to kill their babies. Good one. And rape their daughters. And steal their farms. I understand - oh, yes, I understand you perfectly. You were telling us how we should be afraid of people of different races, because they will "kill our babies".[/QUOTE] Stop trying to pull the damn strawman, that bs might work in court not here. He just compared the situation that if a white guy would do those things it would be all over the news and remembered for ages and then some will have more reason to act like they're still victims of slavery(fun fact: it was the blacks that started with that) while if it's a black one, nothing happens. Not long before the Ferguson thing where that black thug got shot there was a white kid around the same age being shot by a black cop, that was local news and it stopped there. And now back to Rust, I'm happy that they made more steam IDs black, I think I'm one myself, might be a bug but some tell me I'm white some tell me I'm black, I see myself as a roasted Asian. At least I noticed an increase in that and I haven't seen any "nigger" word in like 5 days.

[QUOTE=GrymThor;47382162]It affects White people more than you realize, did you hear about the White students who were refused entry to a student union-funded "anti-racism" event at Ryerson University? The reason was because it was assumed that these white students had never been "Racialized" The Ryerson student newspaper reports that two white students were barred from a meeting of the Racialized Students’ Collective March 11. First-year journalism students Trevor Hewitt and Julia Knope were told that because they were not victims of racialization, they were not allowed to stay in the meeting room and report on the event. Hewitt and Knope said they made eye contact with an unidentified woman who appeared to be setting up for the event. She approached Hewitt and Knope and asked if they had ever been racialized. Hewitt said he then told the woman he wanted to cover the meeting for an assignment. He said the woman told him that because he was not a racialized student, he could not sit in on the meeting. Hewitt and Knope then left the room. It's getting worse every year, We have the New Black Panthers group talking about walking into hospitals and killing white babies not long after they were born(US), we have sex grooming gangs targeting white female teens(UK), we have farmers and their families being murdered and their land taken as well as all White people being banned from owning land (South Africa), we have radical religious extremists targeting white people simply because of our cultural differences(EU) and then we have and finally we have sex groups targeting White Traditions(marriage and morality) simply because they don't conform to their sexual needs. This is something white people are facing everyday but most of it you rarely hear about simply because its not considered news by mainstream media outlets but it seems more and more white people are waking up to these facts. when i yell out "Yeah Go White people! kick arse!" i get told not to be racist, but i tell em its not racism its Team Spirit, Go Team White! nothing wrong with saying your team is the best.[/QUOTE] What a load of tosh, of course racism affects all races, that does not justify the racism. I find it seriously disappointing that a lot of people in this thread seem to think 'deal with it' is an appropriate response and course of action. Racism is a horrible thing and it takes people speaking out about it and shaming the racists to make it stop, not dealing with it and letting them go on with their trash unchallenged.