Make player sex random and fixed, just like skin color! - Rust

[QUOTE=mrknifey;48069565]ffs people, we can get over the idea that people who are not black may be randomly assinged a black character, but we get all defensive that females might get the same treatment, or that we might be assigned a girl? bit ridiculous.[/QUOTE] Being a black doesn't change a thing. Except camouflage values. But white man's mind and black man's mind is pretty much the same. Try to say the same thing for male and female way of thinking. This makes it a tad different.

[QUOTE=Micharlus;48069701]Being a black doesn't change a thing. Except camouflage values. But white man's mind and black man's mind is pretty much the same. Try to say the same thing for male and female way of thinking. This makes it a tad different.[/QUOTE] There's so much wrong with that statement.

[QUOTE=Prov3rbial;48069762]There's so much wrong with that statement.[/QUOTE] Really? Can you please explain it then? I don't see the wrong points. Except that I went from Rust-affecting body differences(camouflage) to real world differences without saying something about some minor distionctions. I really fail to see anything else. EDIT: Deleted the note about Zipper Bear, sorry man.

[QUOTE=Micharlus;48069795]Really? Can you please explain it then? I don't see the wrong points. Except that I went from Rust-affecting body differences(camouflage) to real world differences without saying something about some minor distionctions. I really fail to see anything else. @Zipper Bear Did you just Dumb my post because I Dumbed yours? :D[/QUOTE] It was me that dumbed your post, dummy.

[QUOTE=withnail;48069804]It was me that dumbed your post, dummy.[/QUOTE] Oh, crap. Gotta edit that then. It's just that list changes direction. I'm sorry Zipper Bear. Thanks for clarification withnail.

[QUOTE=Micharlus;48069701]Being a black doesn't change a thing. Except camouflage values. But white man's mind and black man's mind is pretty much the same. Try to say the same thing for male and female way of thinking. This makes it a tad different.[/QUOTE] i get your point, but disagree with the relevence. it's not about how a black guy/white guy thinks, nor about how a guy/girl thinks. it's about holding too much value in the qualities of the bunch of pixels that represent you in a game. i couldn't care less if i was a big ass ghetto babe, or a skinny white kid with a pencil dick. i play rust not for the customisation (which if we remember was "white skinhead" in legacy. or soldier if you played that far back) but for the interactions, the game itself. i just think people are stressing over a really small thing here, and more sensitive to the idea of getting a chick avatar than a black/white/asian one.

[QUOTE=mrknifey;48069877] i just think people are stressing over a really small thing here, and more sensitive to the idea of getting a chick avatar than a black/white/asian one.[/QUOTE] And I think the countless posts here about "LOL wat are u a bigot? XD" whenever someone says they want to not be forced to have tits are getting really tiresome. It's the same post, over and over again. We get it. You are politically committed to the brave new world of genderqueer furries. Either make some new point or STFU. No more "Does this really bother you XD?" posts, they are basically becoming forum spam at this point. All these tiresome crusaders...

[QUOTE=withnail;48069892]And I think the countless posts here about "LOL wat are u a bigot? XD" whenever someone says they want to not be forced to have tits are getting really tiresome. It's the same post, over and over again. We get it. You are politically committed to the brave new world of genderqueer furries. Either make some new point or STFU. No more "Does this really bother you XD?" posts, they are basically becoming forum spam at this point. All these tiresome crusaders...[/QUOTE] withnail, there's no crusading here (at least from me). i simply don't care if my pixels are vaguely male or female. you are entitled to take it as some kind of gender oppression if you want, but i couldn't care less about having the option to choose cock or tits. and i think it's really not that big a deal to warrant all these "how dare you force me to possibly be a female when i am a male irl" kneejerk responses to a system not even in place yet.

I don't agree mrknifey. Players care about how the buildings and items in the game look. Those things are important, and it also is important how the other players look when you are playing the game. If you are only solo and avoiding others - then maybe it would not matter. I think they need to come up with a better solution to this. Rust is somewhat of a role-playing game. You are playing a person trying to survive, fighting, gathering, building a house. It does matter what the people around you look like. You can choose all of that - what you do, what your house looks like. I don't think having how all of the people around you look chosen for you is a good thing. It will make the people in the game around you artificially random. What real life scenario would make every group have a perfect randomized mix of race, gender and size. You are completely taking out of the game the possibility of all men, or all women, or people of the same race being together. I just think having the diversity forced on you is not adding anything too the game. Would it not be cooler if players had choice and you would see clans of all one race, or all women, or all men in the game. That would add something cool to the game. You would have black, asian and white gangs and it would be a lot more realistic and interesting in the game.

[QUOTE=mrknifey;48069921]withnail, there's no crusading here (at least from me). i simply don't care if my pixels are vaguely male or female. you are entitled to take it as some kind of gender oppression if you want, but i couldn't care less about having the option to choose cock or tits. and i think it's really not that big a deal to warrant all these "how dare you force me to possibly be a female when i am a male irl" kneejerk responses to a system not even in place yet.[/QUOTE] I guess I flew off the handle a little there. I'll keep it short: I don't mind playing as a woman in a video game. I've played games where I've chosen female characters over males due to class advantage, I don't mind playing as the females in any Final Fantasy, I love Portal/Portal 2 etc, etc, etc, and think all these games are great for having cool female characters in them. But if it;s just a purely cosmetic thing, and it's an MMO, I would prefer to be able to choose male. That's it. Same as the skin colour thing. I would prefer to have a character that looks like me. When I played Skyrim I spent ages tweaking the character's face to look exactly like me. When I played Tony Hawks Underground on the PS2, I used the eyetoy camera to take a picture of my face to stick on my character and it was awesome! I didn't ragequit the game over forced randomisation of skin colour, and I won't if I'm forced to be female. It just feels like it's all so political, and it's there for no other reason.

[QUOTE=SuperiorMithe;48067154]I just saw the latest update and the female player model isn't as out of shape as I thought looking at the unskinned model. But dem pancake titties are just a stupid excuse to not have to tweak the existing outfits too much. Quality over quantity.[/QUOTE] I think they should link the size to your steam id just like they did with everything else

[QUOTE=cinderstar;48069935]I don't agree mrknifey. Players care about how the buildings and items in the game look. Those things are important, and it also is important how the other players look when you are playing the game. If you are only solo and avoiding others - then maybe it would not matter. I think they need to come up with a better solution to this. Rust is somewhat of a role-playing game. You are playing a person trying to survive, fighting, gathering, building a house. It does matter what the people around you look like. You can choose all of that - what you do, what your house looks like. I don't think having how all of the people around you look chosen for you is a good thing. It will make the people in the game around you artificially random. What real life scenario would make every group have a perfect randomized mix of race, gender and size. You are completely taking out of the game the possibility of all men, or all women, or people of the same race being together. I just think having the diversity forced on you is not adding anything too the game. Would it not be cooler if players had choice and you would see clans of all one race, or all women, or all men in the game. That would add something cool to the game. You would have back, asian and white gangs and it would be a lot more realistic and interesting in the game.[/QUOTE] but cinder, it never mattered in legacy. we had no option about who we were, and people didn't care because they were all exactly the same. the problem is people wanting to avoid being a person they cannot connect to. "i'm not a girl" or "i'm not black" or "my penis is much bigger than that". it's a game, i don't understand why people have such a weak self-identity that they need their in game pixels to look exactly the way they like them. the other thing is that by randomising the gender/colour/size of each player, you don't actually reduce the likelyhood of getting an all male/all female server. the only thing you are likely to affect is things like the singapore server having all asian models given the player dynamic. don't get me wrong, i appreciate the desire to be able to customise everything. and i would have no problem with it being implemented if the devs decide that's what they want to do. but it's neither game breaking nor important enough for me to whine and bitch about it.

A lot of people like myself want to be able to identify with their character. If you make me a woman then I will lose some of that.

@knifey Basically I agree with you. I don't care what my character looks like. And I have no political reason for caring about this at all. But they are adding this diversity to the game and forcing it upon us. It will affect what it is like to play the game - just by seeing the other players. Having everyone in legacy be a nude white guy also affected the game atmosphere. Imagine if all the people in legacy were furries with tails or big breasted anime girls. It affects the game. They are adding this to the game. I just think they can do better. It will be a different game if it's random, versus if we can choose. And I am saying it will be a better game if we can choose - mainly because of the groups we will encounter in the game. I want to see the teams that pick a race or decide to be women hunting me down in the game, or going to raid a base. I want to see the asian gangs raiding the black teams base in the game. That would be cool. It is not game breaking - but why not make the game better in this way. Everyone being a random sex, size and race is incredibly boring. [editline]28th June 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=ibanez87;48069980]A lot of people like myself want to be able to identify with their character. If you make me a woman then I will lose some of that.[/QUOTE] I get this point to. I agree there is a benefit to being able to create a character the way you want.

[QUOTE=mrknifey;48069969]but cinder, it never mattered in legacy. we had no option about who we were, and people didn't care because they were all exactly the same. the problem is people wanting to avoid being a person they cannot connect to. "i'm not a girl" or "i'm not black" or "my penis is much bigger than that". it's a game, i don't understand why people have such a weak self-identity that they need their in game pixels to look exactly the way they like them. the other thing is that by randomising the gender/colour/size of each player, you don't actually reduce the likelyhood of getting an all male/all female server. the only thing you are likely to affect is things like the singapore server having all asian models given the player dynamic. don't get me wrong, i appreciate the desire to be able to customise everything. and i would have no problem with it being implemented if the devs decide that's what they want to do. but it's neither game breaking nor important enough for me to whine and bitch about it.[/QUOTE] Mainly I don't want to see a bunch of woman running around with the voice of a dude.

It's actually kind of funny if you think about the word "race" being used for anything, considering that you're technically all the same race. New word really should be put in place.

[QUOTE=Micharlus;48069701]Being a black doesn't change a thing. Except camouflage values. But white man's mind and black man's mind is pretty much the same. Try to say the same thing for male and female way of thinking. This makes it a tad different.[/QUOTE] i don't usually post here and don't own a copy of rust (i'd like to have one, though), but scientists have proved that there isn't much different between the male/female brain -- it all pretty much just comes down to primary sex hormone, which has no permanent effects over time. it's also irrelevant to this discussion. i know that when i get rust, i'd like to play as a girl

[QUOTE=Sand Castle;48070101]i don't usually post here and don't own a copy of rust (i'd like to have one, though), but scientists have proved that there isn't much different between the male/female brain -- it all pretty much just comes down to primary sex hormone, which has no permanent effects over time. it's also irrelevant to this discussion. i know that when i get rust, i'd like to play as a girl[/QUOTE] Your talking about the actual physicality of the brain. The psyche is a much different story.

[QUOTE=ibanez87;48070107]Your talking about the actual physicality of the brain. The psyche is a much different story.[/QUOTE] yeah that's altered by primary sex hormone -- which can be changed, see gender transition also it's not like there is any predefined role of a character in rust -- it shouldn't matter. if you expect any girl playing rust to deal with playing as a guy, you should be able to deal with being played as a girl. imo the solution is to let people pick the gender, but leave skin tone/breast size/figure randomly generated and assigned to steam id

Wow, I think some of you people are really uninformed. There are plenty of differences in the male and female brain, not only on a psychological level but on a physical level as well. Which scientists gave you this information? Which studies? I hope it wasn't some infographic somewhere and you actually researched this instead of blindly believing something because it was what you wanted to hear. [url]https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/brain-myths/201207/two-myths-and-three-facts-about-the-differences-in-men-and-womens-brains[/url] If you want to move towards a goal of real and true equality, spreading untruths does not help you.

[QUOTE=Sand Castle;48070118]imo the solution is to let people pick the gender, but leave skin tone/breast size/figure randomly generated and assigned to steam id[/QUOTE] As much as I hate to say it, this is probably going to happen. It shouldn't matter, but there are too many insecure boys in the gaming community for it to stay the same.

[QUOTE=Sand Castle;48070118]yeah that's altered by primary sex hormone -- which can be changed, see gender transition also it's not like there is any predefined role of a character in rust -- it shouldn't matter. if you expect any girl playing rust to deal with playing as a guy, you should be able to deal with being played as a girl. imo the solution is to let people pick the gender, but leave skin tone/breast size/figure randomly generated and assigned to steam id[/QUOTE] I pesonally think everything should be random for every spawn or at least every wipe.

[QUOTE=Outback;48070006]It's actually kind of funny if you think about the word "race" being used for anything, considering that you're technically all the same race. New word really should be put in place.[/QUOTE] [url]http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/race?s=t[/url] Believe me, everyone except you is using race correctly in this thread. Besides that, I [I]want[/I] to play as a woman. I want to play as a black man. I want to play as a white man. I want variety and choice. I want to be able to create a character, not just assume the role of another drone who is within three inches of the same height of the next drone and possibly a different skin color. I want player freedom. I don't want to choose my character because I'm offended that I am a black man, I'm actually a white man in-game. So fuck off with your anti-bigoted bullshit, there are very few bigots here. This game would be a lot more fun with customizability and that is what [I]videogames[/I] are about.

Rust is doing some different things and is defying conventions that seem to be automatically assumed as conventions. Generally speaking, in video games so far, character customization has gone one of two ways: - Your character cannot be customized at all; you are Gordon Freeman and that's the end of it - Your character can be customized and you have as much control and flexibility as the character customization is capable of offering I can't think of another game where there are a number of character customization variables, but you don't get to choose them in the same way you don't get to choose your birth traits. Rust is challenging conventions by being a different kind of game. Let's not think about it as a social justice statement of any kind; let's remember to look at it as a video game, and talk about it in the context of a video game. And this is a reminder that the devs are experimenting with a number of things because this stage of development is the best time to prototype and experiment. It would be far more difficult to do this two years from now on a finished game platform where the balance is already set up. If things suck, the devs will get rid of them. If it turns out forcing people into semi-random appearances by using their Steam ID as their "DNA" is more trouble than it's worth, garry'll probably code up a basic character customization option. Maybe he won't. I don't know. [B]And no matter what mods will circumvent this[/B] unless garry makes it impossible for Oxide to change a Newman's appearance -- and I can't imagine garry being so heavy-handed as to explicitly lock out mods from doing this.

[QUOTE=SuperiorMithe;48072914][url]http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/race?s=t[/url] Believe me, everyone except you is using race correctly in this thread. [/QUOTE] Yes, people are using it correctly here (meaning how it is commonly used) - but he is right that the word is completely made up and biologically doesn't make sense. For example, in the US, if you are one quarter black and 3/4 white, or even 1/8 black and 7/8 white then you are called black. This was even put in to law in the US a while ago. How does it make sense that someone part white and part black is automatically put into this category called black. Or that a person 3/4 white is not white, but instead black? Race are these categories made up by society. How can someone Indian, malasian, and Chinese all be considered the same race "Asian". It doesn't really make sense. Races are these artificial made up groups. You can try to group people up by physical features, but the idea of these distinct races is made up and a bit ridiculous the way we do it.

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;48072991]Rust is doing some different things and is defying conventions that seem to be automatically assumed as conventions. Generally speaking, in video games so far, character customization has gone one of two ways: - Your character cannot be customized at all; you are Gordon Freeman and that's the end of it - Your character can be customized and you have as much control and flexibility as the character customization is capable of offering I can't think of another game where there are a number of character customization variables, but you don't get to choose them in the same way you don't get to choose your birth traits. Rust is challenging conventions by being a different kind of game. Let's not think about it as a social justice statement of any kind; let's remember to look at it as a video game, and talk about it in the context of a video game. And this is a reminder that the devs are experimenting with a number of things because this stage of development is the best time to prototype and experiment. It would be far more difficult to do this two years from now on a finished game platform where the balance is already set up. If things suck, the devs will get rid of them. If it turns out forcing people into semi-random appearances by using their Steam ID as their "DNA" is more trouble than it's worth, garry'll probably code up a basic character customization option. Maybe he won't. I don't know. [B]And no matter what mods will circumvent this[/B] unless garry makes it impossible for Oxide to change a Newman's appearance -- and I can't imagine garry being so heavy-handed as to explicitly lock out mods from doing this.[/QUOTE] Doing something badly just to be different is the stupidest most pretentious hipster bullshit I have ever seen. And Garry will do whatever he wants unless we tell him what we want. He already has our money. He isn't some all knowing hipster game god. The vibe I got from his statements was that character creation was going to be a pain in his ass so he didn't want to do it. That being said, everything he has done with the game so far has been a lot of fun. [QUOTE=cinderstar;48073022] American politics unrelated to rust.[/QUOTE] No.

[QUOTE=Zipper Bear;48068653]Whatever helps you sleep at night, pervert.[/QUOTE] Pissed off, morbidly obese feminazi spotted!

[QUOTE=cinderstar;48073022]Yes, people are using it correctly here (meaning how it is commonly used) - but he is right that the word is completely made up and biologically doesn't make sense. For example, in the US, if you are one quarter black and 3/4 white, or even 1/8 black and 7/8 white then you are called black. This was even put in to law in the US a while ago. How does it make sense that someone part white and part black is automatically put into this category called black. Or that a person 3/4 white is not white, but instead black? Race are these categories made up by society. How can someone Indian, malasian, and Chinese all be considered the same race "Asian". It doesn't really make sense. Races are these artificial made up groups. You can try to group people up by physical features, but the idea of these distinct races is made up and a bit ridiculous the way we do it.[/QUOTE] This is exactly what I was getting at actually. There is only truly one race, and that is human. No matter what you look at it, the differences between different groups are negligible, and doesn't make them any more or less human.

[QUOTE=Outback;48074057]This is exactly what I was getting at actually. There is only truly one race, and that is human. No matter what you look at it, the differences between different groups are negligible, and doesn't make them any more or less human.[/QUOTE] We are all the same species and we all deserve the same amount of respect and dignity. Allowing someone to create their own character in a videogame isn't hurting anyone's dignity, go preach somewhere where human rights are being violated.

[QUOTE=SuperiorMithe;48074163]We are all the same species and we all deserve the same amount of respect and dignity. Allowing someone to create their own character in a videogame isn't hurting anyone's dignity, go preach somewhere where human rights are being violated.[/QUOTE] There is no reason to become so hostile. I actually agree on having a character creator, but I personally find it acceptable there isn't one. I was simply addressing the political aspect some people had brought up.