easyanticheat [serious?] - Rust

[QUOTE=Spirit532;44019839]What now? Most of FP users are too young to get into legal issues and go to court(not to offend though), [B][U]and, I'm not[/U][/B] trying to make the situation look way worse than it is, but still, this is absurd, and simply dumb.[/QUOTE] Okay, Mr. "The Legendary Cheater" (Yes, we see [url=http://i.imgur.com/MGYoQtr.jpg]your account for Rust hacking on UnknownCheats[/url]), you let us know when you get that internets lawyer and sue Garry. Seriously, keep us posted.

[QUOTE=Spirit532;44019839]Wrong, and wrong. First of all, yes, I do mind that some random game I want to play installs 3rd party software [B][U]WITHOUT[/U][/B] my permission. Second of all, yes, we can all go to the police\whatever government representative and get facepunch into serious trouble, because they [B][U]never[/U][/B] told [B][U]us[/U][/B] they were going to try and [B][U]install[/U][/B] some [B][U]3rd party software[/U][/B] that has a [B][U]completely[/U][/B] [B][U]different[/U][/B] ToU and ToS, without our permission when we were purchasing the alpha('everything is subject to change' does not fall under that category, that's the game contents). They simply [B][U]never[/U][/B] stated that when I purchased the alpha. What now? Most of FP users are too young to get into legal issues and go to court(not to offend though), [B][U]and, I'm not[/U][/B] trying to make the situation look way worse than it is, but still, this is absurd, and simply dumb.[/QUOTE] I have a hard time choosing whether to mark your post as 'dumb' or 'funny'.

[QUOTE=IGotWorms;44019875]Okay, Mr. "The Legendary Cheater" (Yes, we see [url=http://i.imgur.com/MGYoQtr.jpg]your account for Rust hacking on UnknownCheats[/url]), you let us know when you get that internets lawyer and sue Garry. Seriously, keep us posted.[/QUOTE] More like Legendary Buttnugget

This will no doubt make the game completely unhackable.

It won't make it more hackable :)

So what. I've seen on my servers P250 headshots all the time, people are using autohotkey and scripting programs to remove recoil and no1 will ever ban them for that. That's all about cheating.

[QUOTE=IGotWorms;44019821]Oh look...a couple hackers are upset that Rust is implementing new cheat detection software. ZOMG! Garry is such a big meanie! Let's see...does anyone know a good interwebs lawyer? [img]http://i.imgur.com/MGYoQtr.jpg[/img] [img]http://i.imgur.com/NjOLK1u.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] Sorry What dose this prove? I have already said I use ESP in a pervious post? However that is not my account ? Just because that person used the same name...... [highlight](User was permabanned for this post ("hacker" - garry))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=oyci3c;44019945]So what. I've seen on my servers P250 headshots all the time, people are using autohotkey and scripting programs to remove recoil and no1 will ever ban them for that. That's all about cheating.[/QUOTE] anti recoil should be bannable autohot key really isn't a cheat, like, at all [QUOTE=Danny123kid;44019946[highlight](User was permabanned for this post ("hacker" - garry))[/highlight][/QUOTE] VV Garry you missed someone VV [QUOTE=Spirit532;44019839]http://i.imgur.com/MGYoQtr.jpg[/QUOTE]

And how will ever some1 detect that you are using software to control your mouse? It's in FPS games for ages.

[QUOTE=LordCrypto;44019855]hi hello i'm not garry's counsel but here's the deal that program was not installed, it was simply put on your computer. also you'd have to deal with an international civil case good luck getting getting the belarus police to not laugh you out of the station when you show up saying "this game added a cheat detection thing withOUT TELLING MEEEEEeeeee"[/QUOTE] Let's skip the "what's install and what's not" part, because he certainly did have some intent to download it there. You wouldn't download porn just to have it on your harddrive, right? International civil case - I'm just making examples, don't take it so seriously dude. [QUOTE=J!NX;44019851]how can you be that stupid and exist?[/QUOTE] I'm sure I'm smarter than you are, however let's not discuss that here. [QUOTE=Valnar;44019840]tl;dr i visit paysites & forums I google[/QUOTE] Why would you visit such forums, mr. white knight? As I've stated, it does not matter which forums I attend. [QUOTE=garry;44019939]It won't make it more hackable :)[/QUOTE] It hurts to say that, but talking personally to you garry, just better leave all the 3rd party software that you stated, that you yourself hated, and take your & your team's time, and develop a truly working anticheat that is somewhat hard to bypass. [highlight](User was permabanned for this post ("cheater" - garry))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=IGotWorms;44019821]Oh look...a couple hackers are upset that Rust is implementing new cheat detection software. ZOMG! Garry is such a big meanie! Let's see...does anyone know a good interwebs lawyer? [img]http://i.imgur.com/MGYoQtr.jpg[/img] [img]http://i.imgur.com/NjOLK1u.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] The funny thing is that those BIG KICKASS "I GO AGAINST THE SYSTEM AND FUCK GARRY" hackers are so retards that don't even care about changing their names between forums... phatetic, useless and dumb ASSHOLES

[QUOTE=Spirit532;44019982]I'm sure I'm smarter than you are, however let's not discuss that here. [/QUOTE] You're trying and wanting to cheat in a game and bitching about how they are trying to stop you by going "Brb court" and calling it illegal even though it's clearly not and you're just bummed cuz you can't cheat I'm pretty sure there isn't much intelligence in you. I mean, really, you have to be delusional to actually believe your whining would hold up in any course. people who hate garry from stopping them from cheating (lol, you) are just being whiny cry babies. How about you actually play the game. Cry and hate all you want, it doesn't change the fact that you kids can't have your way. It's pretty funny that people like you ("Lol fuck the system") actually exist.

heh

[QUOTE=garry;44019939]It won't make it more hackable :)[/QUOTE] Since you are doing nothing it wont be hard <3

[QUOTE=garry;44019939]It won't make it more hackable :)[/QUOTE] Well that would be quite an accomplishment, considering the current state. ;) In all seriousness, though, I do believe that this is a fine choice and hope it works out well for you.

So now we're going to have VAC, cheatpunch and easyanticheat? Don't get me wrong but what will be the end of this, 20 anti-cheat systems? Not only does that eat more resources (on both, the client and the server. If you ask why on the server: Every anti-cheat system must be asked for bans when a player joins) but also the chance for false bans gets higher and higher (worst case: One anti-cheat system detecting another one as cheat). Why not improve what we already have instead?

[QUOTE=V10lator;44020284]So now we're going to have VAC, cheatpunch and easyanticheat? Don't get me wrong but what will be the end of this, 20 anti-cheat systems? Not only does that eat more resources but also the chance for false bans gets higher and higher (worst case: One anti-cheat system detecting another one as cheat). Why not improve what we already have instead?[/QUOTE] We don't want to write our own anti-cheat. It has always been our intention to use a 3rd party solution. We want to make games, not ant-cheat for games. Cheatpunch isn't really an ant-cheat. It was made for statistical purposes (death counts, death maps, quit rate, performance, error logging etc). It just so happened that we could easily exploit the system to detect and send cheat information. So we did. And we've banned 5,800 people so far with it. We are really looking for a 3rd party company to take care of this stuff for us. A company that specialises in this stuff. That can infiltrate the cheat sites and detect cheaters on our behalf, as a service. We think we may have found that in EAC. We would love for VAC to be more responsive - and maybe it will in the future. VAC is awesome at detecting cheats - but we need something to detect and ban people within 10 minutes. Not 10 days.

[QUOTE=garry;44020370]We don't want to write our own anti-cheat. It has always been our intention to use a 3rd party solution. We want to make games, not ant-cheat for games. Cheatpunch isn't really an ant-cheat. It was made for statistical purposes (death counts, death maps, quit rate, performance, error logging etc). It just so happened that we could easily exploit the system to detect and send cheat information. So we did. And we've banned 5,800 people so far with it. We are really looking for a 3rd party company to take care of this stuff for us. A company that specialises in this stuff. That can infiltrate the cheat sites and detect cheaters on our behalf, as a service. We think we may have found that in EAC. We would love for VAC to be more responsive - and maybe it will in the future. VAC is awesome at detecting cheats - but we need something to detect and ban people within 10 minutes. Not 10 days.[/QUOTE] How effective would you say cheat punch is at the moment anyways? Especially when combined with VAC? VAC is no doubt good at banned cheaters, and I can personally tell you that it works. It can be slow but it's the best around... but it's only better with a secondary anticheat. Also, are you going to open cheat punch in the future so people can report someone for a review and banned users can have their screenshots of them cheating open to public? Also, when are you going to open statistics up? I'd like to see a hotmap of deaths in the game I personally understand the joy of cheating but that was years ago. Cheating isn't even [I]nearly [/I]as fun as playing the game, even if you are terrible at said game.

Isn't EasyAntiCheat seen as "cheat" by VAC? I remember using EasyAntiCheat in CS:GO, and VAC was off on those servers because of that. Hope we don't get VAC banned, by it etc.

[QUOTE=L0GEN;44020516]Isn't EasyAntiCheat seen as "cheat" by VAC? I remember using EasyAntiCheat in CS:GO, and VAC was off on those servers because of that. Hope we don't get VAC banned, by it etc.[/QUOTE] For example , Leetway EAC working together with VAC. Nothing to worry about. For this was the cooperation EAC and Valve on leetway servers. I see no reason that it was not in Rust.

Useful thread with answers from Garry, for those who are hungry for information.

Why not use an anticheat that isn't spyware like Punkbuster?

[QUOTE=Midas22;44023647]Why not use an anticheat that isn't spyware like Punkbuster?[/QUOTE] You think punkbuster works? Look at all the Battlefields, they are constantly filled with hackers.

I do like where this is going with anticheat systems. However, I do not like the way you are doing it. Before I update anything server or client. I check the official Website and the Steam Page. No where Update Notes. 2 Updates, no Notes. Well okay. We want to play. Wont be that bad. Updating, installing. Malwarebytes starting to block rust.exe for which reason so ever. I though, might check the rust folder. I see "easyanticheat". Nothing else is special. But wait... since when is this folder there? What is it doing there? What is it for, why cant I find any Update Notes on it? Well you just might wanna spend 1 minute on Wordpress: /hey guys /recent update just added a 3rd party anticheat solution, which isnt active yet, it wont install, dont install /kay /bye That would have solved everything.

[QUOTE=Midas22;44023647]Why not use an anticheat that isn't spyware like Punkbuster?[/QUOTE] Because Punkbuster kicks more actual players than it bans hackers.

[QUOTE=Spirit532;44019130]You're proving yourself wrong. Only had I set the file to write-only access, these errors popped up. Oh well.[/QUOTE] I feel like, they need to get their shit together.

I'm a senior year law undergraduate and would, albeit belatedly, like to say to the (other) armchair lawyers that this should be the limbs they should try to squeeze this under: i) under simple Constitutional right to privacy ii) Consumer protection laws (ratified by most/countries but differ from jurisdiction to jurisdiction iii) simple contract law - remedy lies in either rescission or damages from an innominate term which goes to the root of the contract. 3 pages and not a single one of the lawsuits QQers have gotten it. Nice exposes though, 5/5 You're welcome.

Honestly, all six of the servers (official and community) I've played on had some very bad problems with hackers. It is to the point that if this wasn't an alpha I would have requested a refund already and I've been playing ~1week. I say, Kudos to Facepunch and please implement the anti-cheat program soon! Until the software is activated I don't see how you could claim any damages or danger to your privacy. I'd imagine that they intend to put out an updated TOS when the game is done or when it is required by law. So why are you all up in arms? Don't you want to play a decent game? Don't you want new content? The battle with hackers is ongoing, I'm sure the development team doesn't want to dedicate their time to that when they want to improve the game with features that make people want to play.

Do not press the "Agree" button if you do not want it. It's simple. I personally Click it, cheaters already tired.

[QUOTE=Delight;44024044]You think punkbuster works? Look at all the Battlefields, they are constantly filled with hackers.[/QUOTE] I play battlefield almost as religiously as Rust. It's very rare to find a hacker.