[QUOTE=Promethieus;44025184]I play battlefield almost as religiously as Rust. It's very rare to find a hacker.[/QUOTE]
They use punkbuster on the client AND FairFight on their servers.
I think thats a nice setup.
P.s.: never heard of EAC ...
Its simple. If you don't want it. You don't play Rust. If you have nothing to hide then you shouldn't be afraid.
[QUOTE=Squat2;44025581]Its simple. If you don't want it. You don't play Rust. If you have nothing to hide then you shouldn't be afraid.[/QUOTE]
Its simple. If you don't want government surveillance on the internet. You don't use the Internet. If you have nothing to hide then you shouldn't be afraid.
You are just one of many who are the problem now days with Facebook, Twitter and all these Datahungry government spying Machines.
"I dont care if they search my house, I have nothing to hide"
"I dont care if they searchin my computer, social page, email inbox, IM Chats, I have nothing to hide"
Just pointing out the idiocy.
[QUOTE=CN.Kane;44025798]Its simple. If you don't want government surveillance on the internet. You don't use the Internet. If you have nothing to hide then you shouldn't be afraid.
You are just one of many who are the problem now days with Facebook, Twitter and all these Datahungry government spying Machines.
"I dont care if they search my house, I have nothing to hide"
"I dont care if they searchin my computer, social page, email inbox, IM Chats, I have nothing to hide"
Just pointing out the idiocy.[/QUOTE]
Except this only effects you only if you cheat and that's it
and Jesus christ, that isn't even slightly close :v: That's REALLY grasping at straws.
[QUOTE=J!NX;44025829]Except this only effects you only if you cheat and that's it
and Jesus christ, that isn't even slightly close :v: That's REALLY grasping at straws.[/QUOTE]
I've said it before, if there would be an Update Note on this. I would not care at all.
[QUOTE]/hey guys
/recent update just added a 3rd party anticheat solution, which isnt active yet, it wont install, dont install
/kay
/bye
That would have solved everything. [/QUOTE]
But in this case, it is delivering an Executable File to our System, which wasnt mentioned no where. That, and only that is the issue.
It's too late for complaints anyway. I personally welcome the new Solution. Even if the method is questionable.
[QUOTE=CN.Kane;44025854]I've said it before, if there would be an Update Note on this. I would not care at all.
But in this case, it is delivering an Executable File to our System, which wasnt mentioned no where. That, and only that is the issue.
It's too late for complaints anyway. I personally welcome the new Solution. Even if the method is questionable.[/QUOTE]
I am glad that these files are delivered to my computer, even without notification. Garry, this is nice surprise for me ;)
Personally i dont mind a program that watches me play a game, as long as that program is shutdown the second i close the game. I've found punkbuster running many times after i closed battlefield and switched to another game
[QUOTE=slait;44025951]Personally i dont mind a program that watches me play a game, as long as that program is shutdown the second i close the game. I've found punkbuster running many times after i closed battlefield and switched to another game[/QUOTE]
Yep. PunkBuster works in sleep mode, even if the game is not running. EAC turns off after work (have the option of auto-completion).
[url]http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1368610&p=44026532&viewfull=1#post44026532[/url]
For more info on this matter.
[editline]24th February 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Promethieus;44025184]I play battlefield almost as religiously as Rust. It's very rare to find a hacker.[/QUOTE]
That's because Battlefield uses FairFight which is a very wierd any cheat that tracks player's behavior while ingame statistics etc then compare it to what it were before you lets say bought the cheat. This result in alot of legitimate players that become good over night to be banned aswell. But trust me when i say it catched shit tons of hackers.
Taken from their site:
[QUOTE]"FairFight® is a non-invasive, customizable, server side anti-cheat engine using agnostic technology that operates in real time and does not examine the players' devices or perpetually look for the latest hacks. FairFight uses GameBlocks' proprietary GameChanger™ rule engine and database structures to evaluate players' gameplay actions and Make it a FairFight™ for everyone.
Fairfight uses two overlapping and mutually supportive approaches to identify cheaters: algorithmic analysis of player statistics and server-side cheat detection. FairFight uses algorithmic models to evaluate gameplay against multiple statistical markers to identify cheating as it occurs. FairFight crosschecks these indicators using objective server-side reporting tools. It takes action when both approaches correlate to cheating — and because you establish FairFight’s tolerances and the in-game actions to be taken against the hacker, you are in control of your game like never before. Learn more about integrating FairFight Into your game today.
What Games would you like to see FairFight in next?"
[/QUOTE]
EAC and VAC Work together ok without getting a VAC Ban?
[QUOTE=ShrekRust;44027489]EAC and VAC Work together ok without getting a VAC Ban?[/QUOTE]
[url]http://leetway.com/forum/thread/1677[/url]
I played a few PUGs two months ago. With my accounts all okay.
Everyday i see alot of cheaters. I hope there will be a update soon to CheatPunch.
A more agressive anticheat is Always welcome.
Hi Garry,
As you are selling this game to Australians and therefore have to meet the requirements of Australian law, can you confirm that, with the use of EAC, you will be conforming to the Spyware Act 2005, including Part 2 Section 8 Paragraph 1:
[I](1) For the purposes of section 6, notice to the user of a computer must:
(a) include a clear notification, displayed on the screen until the user either grants or denies consent to installation, of the name and general nature of the computer software that will be installed if the user grants consent; and
(b) include a separate disclosure, with respect to each information collection, advertising, distributed computing and settings modification feature contained in the computer software, that remains displayed on the screen until the user either grants or denies consent to that feature; and
(c) [B]in the case of an information collection feature[/B], provides a clear description of:
(i) the type of personal or network information to be collected and transmitted by the computer software; and
(ii) the purpose for which the personal or network information is to be collected, transmitted and used;
[/I]
Especially with regards to section (c), which states you must provide a clear description of everything EAC collects and transmits.
Can you also confirm EAC will meet the following requirements under Part 2 Section 8 Paragraph 3:
[I](3) For purposes of section 6, computer software must:
(a) appear in the ‘Add/Remove Programs’ menu or any like feature, if any, provided by each operating system with which the computer software functions; and
(b) be capable of being removed completely using the [B]normal procedures[/B] for removing computer software provided by each operating system with which the computer software functions;[/I]
and that your company will meet the requirements of Part 3 Paragraph 12:
[I]
(1) It is unlawful for a person who is not an authorised user of a computer to authorise or cause the installation on that computer of software that collects information about the user of the computer or about the user's Internet browsing behaviour or other use of the computer and transmits such information to any other person on an automatic basis or at the direction of a person other than an authorised user of the computer, if the software's collection and transmission of such information is not functionally related to or in support of a software capability or function that an authorised user of the computer has chosen or consented to execute or enable, [B]and either[/B]:
(a) there has been no notification, prior to the software beginning to collect and transmit such information, to an authorised user of the computer [B]explaining the type of information the software will collect and transmit and the types of ways the information may be used and distributed[/B]; or
(b) notification pursuant to paragraph (a) was not provided in a manner reasonably calculated to provide actual notice to an authorised user of the computer; or
(c) notification pursuant to paragraph (a) occurred at a time or in a manner that did not enable an authorised user of the computer to consider the information contained in the notification before choosing whether to permit the collection or transmission of information.[/I]
Please note that I am asking if you will comply with the entirety of the Spyware Act 2005, not just want I posted. The parts I did post I simply think are the most relevant.
If your company and EAC are unable to meet the requirements of the Act, including total disclosure of what is collected and transmitted, what are your anti-cheat plans for Australian customers?
To everyone else: Multiple international companies have been held accountable against the Spyware Act 2005 since it's inception so please do not try to post "this does not apply to international companies". By selling a product, either physically or digitally, to Australian customers, companies have to agree to abide by Australian law, and Facepunch are no exception.
If you read this far, thank you for your time :)
[editline]24th February 2014[/editline]
Whoops sorry guys, it's the Spyware [b]Bill[/b] 2005, not Spyware Act. 12:30am is too late to be posting :P
[QUOTE=DUA;44028279]- SNIP -[/QUOTE]
I hope this answers your question:
[QUOTE=garry;44019105]You should probably let us and our lawyers worry about legalities. We don't need armchair lawyers.
EAC isn't being used right now. It'll be pretty obvious when it is - because you'll have to say "YES" when it asks you to install it. I'm going to post something up on the rust website explaining what it is when we're doing that.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=V10lator;44028332]I hope this answers your question:[/QUOTE]
Sorry didn't realise your name was Garry too. I'll try to clarify what Garry I'm talking to next time :)
As for "airchair" Lawyer.... :rolleyes:
[editline]24th February 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Teddybeer;44028334]Would be great if it was active, which it isn't making it a collection of unrelated but pretty words. I don't even have to ask if you cheat or not.[/QUOTE]
So you think it will never be active? Or should all questions and concerns be raised only [U]after[/U] it is installed, activated and running. That doesn't sound too smart to me. Also I get the funny feeling they would want to sort out if it is legal or not BEFORE they turn it on no?
Also I love the not so subtle hacker accusation, very cute. You'll be quite upset to know I don't cheat in games, I do however value my privacy, though mostly I am curious as to how Garry plans to deal with our laws since they pretty much make anything like EAC illegal without full disclosure.
[QUOTE=DUA;44028361]Sorry didn't realise your name was Garry too. I'll try to clarify what Garry I'm talking to next time :)[/QUOTE]
No, my name is not garry. But did you see the name of the guy I quoted for you? Hint: it wasn't myself I was quoting.
[QUOTE=V10lator;44028419]No, my name is not garry. But did you see the name of the guy I quoted for you? Hint: it wasn't myself I was quoting.[/QUOTE]
Hint: His post is in reference to posts very different than my own. Thanks for trying to help though!
[editline]24th February 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Teddybeer;44028422]He explained it in this very thread, but oh well reading and all is way less important than baseless legal threats.[/QUOTE]
Yes reading is important, please point out where I made a single legal threat. Thanks :)
Oh and as for baseless, I am quoting actual Australian Law. I have not typed that out or made it up, I have copy/pasted it from the actual law that is in force right now (feel free to Google it). You'll have to excuse me if I fail to see how it's "baseless".
Edit 3:
I appreciate the fact you guys want to defend Gary and the game, please do not mistake my post for an attack as it isn't. I love Rust and what Garry and Facepunch are doing and I want to support them, however I am curious as to how they will deal with our Spyware Bill if they choose to enforce EAC on Australian customers.
Average cheater getting scared of men anticheat. Nothing to see here folks move along...
[QUOTE=kingcoolryan;44018573]They dont need to tell you anything. You accepted their tos when you bought the game. Even an idiot can tell what an anti cheat program does[/QUOTE]
uhhh oh tough guy incoming!
[QUOTE=DotAd;44028511]Average cheater getting scared of men anticheat. Nothing to see here folks move along...[/QUOTE]
If you are referring to my posts, I think you need to go and read what Teddybeer posted about reading, if not then please ignore :)
[QUOTE=DUA;44028279]text[/QUOTE]
Why ask Garry if EAC is from a 3rd party?
Also EAC has been around since 2006 pretty sure they know what they are doing and will be within the australian laws as EAC is already being used by Leetway as Anti Cheat in Counterstrike including Australia.
Guys, when you install antivirus. this is the same thing., you trust the publisher, although you can not see the source code. It is a question of trust and choice.
[QUOTE=DUA;44028484]Hint: His post is in reference to posts very different than my own.[/QUOTE]
Really? The Computer Misuse Act and Spyware Bill 2005 seems somehow similar to me. Anyway this quote answers your thread, look:
[QUOTE=DUA;44028279][I](1) For the purposes of section 6, notice to the user of a computer must:
(a) include a clear notification, displayed on the screen until the user either grants or denies consent to installation, of the name and general nature of the computer software that will be installed if the user grants consent; and
(b) include a separate disclosure, with respect to each information collection, advertising, distributed computing and settings modification feature contained in the computer software, that remains displayed on the screen until the user either grants or denies consent to that feature; and
(c) [B]in the case of an information collection feature[/B], provides a clear description of:
(i) the type of personal or network information to be collected and transmitted by the computer software; and
(ii) the purpose for which the personal or network information is to be collected, transmitted and used;
[/I][/quote]
[QUOTE=garry;44019105]you'll have to say "YES" when it asks you to install it. I'm going to post something up on the rust website explaining what it is when we're doing that.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=DUA;44028279]Especially with regards to section (c), which states you must provide a clear description of everything EAC collects and transmits.[/quote]
[QUOTE=garry;44019105]I'm going to post something up on the rust website explaining what it is when we're doing that.[/QUOTE]
Okay, the following might not:
[QUOTE=DUA;44028279]
Can you also confirm EAC will meet the following requirements under Part 2 Section 8 Paragraph 3:
[I](3) For purposes of section 6, computer software must:
(a) appear in the ‘Add/Remove Programs’ menu or any like feature, if any, provided by each operating system with which the computer software functions; and
(b) be capable of being removed completely using the [B]normal procedures[/B] for removing computer software provided by each operating system with which the computer software functions;[/I]
and that your company will meet the requirements of Part 3 Paragraph 12:
[I]
(1) It is unlawful for a person who is not an authorised user of a computer to authorise or cause the installation on that computer of software that collects information about the user of the computer or about the user's Internet browsing behaviour or other use of the computer and transmits such information to any other person on an automatic basis or at the direction of a person other than an authorised user of the computer, if the software's collection and transmission of such information is not functionally related to or in support of a software capability or function that an authorised user of the computer has chosen or consented to execute or enable, [B]and either[/B]:
(a) there has been no notification, prior to the software beginning to collect and transmit such information, to an authorised user of the computer [B]explaining the type of information the software will collect and transmit and the types of ways the information may be used and distributed[/B]; or
(b) notification pursuant to paragraph (a) was not provided in a manner reasonably calculated to provide actual notice to an authorised user of the computer; or
(c) notification pursuant to paragraph (a) occurred at a time or in a manner that did not enable an authorised user of the computer to consider the information contained in the notification before choosing whether to permit the collection or transmission of information.[/I]
Please note that I am asking if you will comply with the entirety of the Spyware Act 2005, not just want I posted. The parts I did post I simply think are the most relevant.[/QUOTE]
But I'm fairly sure easyanticheat handles this as they are already active world-wide. Also this quote from garry should be enough answer for now:
[QUOTE=garry;44019105]You should probably let us and our lawyers worry about legalities.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Pop.ch;44028567]Why ask Garry if EAC is from a 3rd party?[/QUOTE]
Because if Garry is putting it in his game, and sells his game in Australia, then he is responsible for it.
[QUOTE=Pop.ch;44028567]Also EAC has been around since 2006 pretty sure they know what they are doing and will be within the australian laws as EAC is already being used by Leetway as Anti Cheat in Counterstrike including Australia.[/QUOTE]
That's good information to know, however can you prove EAC is being used on Australian servers? Also just because it's being used doesn't automatically mean it doesn't violate the Spyware Bill; if no one has challenged it then I doubt the Government would even be aware of it. I doubt the Government would spend their time actively researching anti-cheat programs to make sure they don't violate the bill :P
you idiots posting law trying to go "This is illegal!" are just grasping at straws because the fact that they aren't allowed to cheat is being enforced
lmao
This thread reminds me of the good ol days of people pirating games and complaining about Star Force anti piracy. I remember people cursing and saying it broke computers, its spyware, its this its that and what not then StarForce dev team said if you can prove this thing is broke your computer or did anything you suggest it did that they would pay you like 10k or something. I can't recall the details but no one ever came forward. Only pirates complained about it. Only hackers complain about anti hack. I am all for this. VAC is essentially spying on whats going on on your PC, punkbuster does the same. Quit bitching.
[QUOTE=SargeMX5;44028700]This thread reminds me of the good ol days of people pirating games and complaining about Star Force anti piracy. I remember people cursing and saying it broke computers, its spyware, its this its that and what not then StarForce dev team said if you can prove this thing is broke your computer or did anything you suggest it did that they would pay you like 10k or something. I can't recall the details but no one ever came forward. Only pirates complained about it. Only hackers complain about anti hack. I am all for this. VAC is essentially spying on whats going on on your PC, punkbuster does the same. Quit bitching.[/QUOTE]
VAC doesn't actually spy on you that's just silly :v:
[url]http://www.theverge.com/2014/2/17/5421054/valve-isnt-tracking-internet--says-gabe-newell[/url]
Huge amounts of text to quote so I won't quote it, I'll try to catch the important bits.
Garys first quote you posted doesn't address my first quote you posted because the Bill states that:
[I](c) in the case of an information collection feature, provides a clear description of:
(i) the type of personal or network information to be collected and transmitted by the computer software; and
(ii) the purpose for which the personal or network information is to be collected, transmitted and used;[/I]
Simply answering "Yes" when it asks to install does not even come close to meeting those requirements. And Gary only said he will "post something up", which doesn't sound very comprehensive to me. I'm asking if he will detail everything EAC collects and transmits.
Easycheat may be world-wide but that doesn't mean they operate in Australia, or within our laws.
As for "You should probably let us and our lawyers worry about legalities.", why am I not allowed to question a program that has the very obvious potential to be in violation of our current laws? Why can I not come forward with a concern, backed up with facts and research, and ask questions? Also why would I trust lawyers whose sole purpose is to serve the interests of their client, who at this time wants to implement software that, as I said, has a very obvious potential to be in violation of our current laws.
[QUOTE=DUA;44028714]Huge amounts of text to quote so I won't quote it, I'll try to catch the important bits.
Garys first quote you posted doesn't address my first quote you posted because the Bill states that:
[I](c) in the case of an information collection feature, provides a clear description of:
(i) the type of personal or network information to be collected and transmitted by the computer software; and
(ii) the purpose for which the personal or network information is to be collected, transmitted and used;[/I]
Simply answering "Yes" when it asks to install does not even come close to meeting those requirements. And Gary only said he will "post something up", which doesn't sound very comprehensive to me. I'm asking if he will detail everything EAC collects and transmits.
Easycheat may be world-wide but that doesn't mean they operate in Australia, or within our laws.
As for "You should probably let us and our lawyers worry about legalities.", why am I not allowed to question a program that has the very obvious potential to be in violation of our current laws? Why can I not come forward with a concern, backed up with facts and research, and ask questions? Also why would I trust lawyers whose sole purpose is to serve the interests of their client, who at this time wants to implement software that, as I said, has a very obvious potential to be in violation of our current laws.[/QUOTE]
You're really desperate to cheat aren't you?
List of people with common sense who actually give any shits:
List of people who give a shit for all the worst reasons: Way too many
[QUOTE=J!NX;44028626]you idiots posting law trying to go "This is illegal!" are just grasping at straws because the fact that they aren't allowed to cheat is being enforced
lmao[/QUOTE]
My apologies if me quoting current law and quite clearly illustrating how it applies to EAC is too hard for you to understand, and my apologies if you cannot understand the post where I said "I appreciate the fact you guys want to defend Gary and the game, please do not mistake my post for an attack as it isn't. I love Rust and what Garry and Facepunch are doing and I want to support them, however I am curious as to how they will deal with our Spyware Bill if they choose to enforce EAC on Australian customers."
It's quite surprising how hostile this forum is and how many close minded people automatically label anyone who dares challenge anything as a "cheater". Bit of a shame.
[editline]24th February 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=J!NX;44028720]You're really desperate to cheat aren't you?
List of people with common sense who actually give any shits:
List of people who give a shit for all the worst reasons: Way too many[/QUOTE]
Thank you for another well thought out and constructful post, your contribution is valued and appreciated :)
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