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[QUOTE=FFStudios;45478556]yes please i would like more sources from the country that is actively moving forces into ukraine and from the country that these separatists are fighting so hard to become a part of yes also intentionally twist the words from the guardian some mor...
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[QUOTE=Thlis;45478493]Because you tried misconstruing the Guardian article to try to claim is was reporting that they updated it to say he didn't claim that they had Buks when really they were just reporting what Russian media was claiming, and not actually changing their stor...
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[QUOTE=Thlis;45478441]I am afraid it's doubtful that it's semantics now that they have posted another addition[/QUOTE] How is that addition changing anything, it does not adding up anything amd merely presents information regarding situation from their perspective as one m...
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[QUOTE=Killer900;45478403]maybe he was threatened to take back his previous statement[/QUOTE] Again - why would he ever, in sane mind, speak such words to foreign journalist at this point of time.
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[QUOTE=MrEndangered;45478397]All he has to do is release his own recording, mystery solved. Why didn't he just give it to them if they've all been contacting him?[/QUOTE] I hope he will soon enough.
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[QUOTE=Thlis;45478385]You missed a key part he [B]NOW [/B]denies any such statement. Not he denied any such statement, he now denies any such statement.[/QUOTE] Oh my god please don't go that path, oufcourse they wil write it this way, they are not suicidal ffs. R...
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[QUOTE=Killer900;45478362]of course not because if it isn't RIA or RT then it obviously isn't true and is just anti-Russian.[/QUOTE] I just gave you direct info from guardian themselfs.
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[QUOTE=Killer900;45478331]its fast so that's why it's good? If anything that's questionable. You think the guardian is lying, how do you know RIA isn't? Especially since they are so fast they could just be making stuff up[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=JohnFisher89;45478344]Are there any ...
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[QUOTE=Gwoodman;45478284]Interesting how you so quickly pulled out a russian news site claiming this when nobody else does.[/QUOTE] Cause RIA is fast and that's why it's good? Not ot mention that i heard of this only jsut now from fp, soo i looked up on news source and he...
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[QUOTE=MrEndangered;45478273]Hmm. I was getting worried reading the Guardian article that it never specified who and when he talked to the press. I'll wait.[/QUOTE] Wish everyone else would wait, but noooope.
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[QUOTE=Thlis;45478193]Shocking. Who would have suspected this?[/QUOTE] Sorry but already proven fake by man himself. [url]http://ria.ru/world/20140723/1017273394.html[/url] ria article up in russian, translation to follow Basically he claims he said nothing like this to...
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[QUOTE=Orkel;45478068]I am incredibly interested in what the black boxes contain. Too bad it will probably take a long time to analyze though.[/QUOTE] Actually it's been reported it's going to be two days and not more.
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[QUOTE=Kite_shugo;45477878]Maybe he's referring to this; from the original MH17 thread? [thumb]http://files.1337upload.net/karimatrix-86fca7.jpg[/thumb] But yeah; I wanted to ask you if has Putin said anything publicly about the Russian stance on the whole matter?[/QU...
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[QUOTE=Bat-shit;45477785]Yeah, I don't believe Putin or the [i]entirety[/i] of Russia is to blame..[/QUOTE] Ugh, what?
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[QUOTE=Bat-shit;45477696]I think they say "evidence has been tampered with" simply because the crash site is not absolutely 100% untouched. So it can mean anything from moving some non-trivial debris to piling some bodies/belongings, or even stealing items. Or someone thoug...
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[QUOTE=Pr0fane;45477658]Do you seriously think we here are so stupid, that you have to point out a newspaper quoting someone doesn't mean it's true 100%. The BBC reports, that sources say evidence was tampered with. This doesn't make it true. My story above though, and the...
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[QUOTE=BANNED USER;45477495]Don't tell people not to post news telling the truth. What are your sources of information? What argument are you trying to male? You're going to nesd to clarify your position and prsent an argument with facts and evidence to support your claims....
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[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;45476973][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNXf_HncM20[/media] How is telling OCSE officials to back away from the wreckage after only being allowed to investigate some of it allowing experts to work at the crash site. Oh, not only to back away, but ...
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Thread with over-sensationalist title and non impressive BBC article shifts in nationalism discussion just because i pointed out silliness of message in OP article. Please don't do that.
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[QUOTE=ZakkShock;45476799]I've noticed that you've been in every single thread that has anything to do with this event, and you're desperately trying to defend Russia's "Good name."[/QUOTE] That is incredibly relevant to topic.
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[QUOTE=dunkace;45476687][url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-28439862[/url][/QUOTE] Scattering parts of other aircraft??? Are you kidding me? [B]SuperSensationalist [/B]Thread Title by the way. BBC says they have "sources" even thought soo far only Malaysian experts ar...
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[QUOTE=bravehat;45476665]Hi, long time viewer, first time caller, I'm just curious as to why the Ukrainians would bomb around the crash site.[/QUOTE] Judging by lack of military organization, tremendeous amount of civil deathtoll and behavior during last cease-fire (wich t...
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[QUOTE=Kite_shugo;45476571]The last two words don't really bolster your claim to credibility; but is there any other source for the alleged Ukrainian bombing of the surrounding area of the MH17 crashsite? Last I thought that had been debunked as Russian propaganda during the t...
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[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;45476511]Russian news sources obviously have no bias against Ukraine[/QUOTE] By this logic every news source of country that supports new ukranian goverment is bias against situation form their side. RIA is quite credible in their news reports, bite me....
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[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;45476430]Where is that mentioned anywhere? RT?[/QUOTE] [url]http://en.ria.ru/world/20140722/191102839/Ukrainian-Air-Force-Strikes-City-Located-in-Ceasefire-Zone.html[/url] Not to mention that if they simpy fly in cease fire zone they already kinda br...
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[QUOTE=ZakkShock;45476378]And no one will get their bodies either.[/QUOTE] Pilot's death is not confirmed yet. I also like how they keep flying in proposed cease fire zone surrounding crashsite and bombing nearby villages but no one gives a damn about that. [editline]23...
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[QUOTE=iFail;45475082]I'm fully aware of this video, but I have a few doubts about the quality of the briefing and of the relevance of those questions. Very little of that briefing is actual evidence that the Ukrainians are responsible. [/quote] Soo by this logic you'd rather...
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[QUOTE=iFail;45474527]Yes. It's not hard to believe them, either. Their narrative is altogether simpler and easier to believe than the stuff that's been put out in opposition. The Russian media really blew it when they tried to claim it was shot down by a Ukrainian Su-25. ...
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[QUOTE=gudman;45474414]That makes sense, but why refer to evidence they can't release. Hoping people would take their word for it?[/QUOTE] They try to show support to Ukrainan goverment and go desperate enough to agree accounting on anything that in some way blames rebels.
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[QUOTE=Apache249;45474097]Uh let's wait and see?[/QUOTE] yeah, I just wish this was a far more common reaction rather then "omg i saw three tweets and audio on youtube, blame da rebels'. also, what about my question?
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I do hope world is going to finally snap out of "tweetbelievers" and try to atleast ask for some more official stated proof from those who oppose russian sources on case. And again, a question that still no one here asnwered for me - How will people react if it will be pr...
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Anyhow, here's some new info. black boxes arrived in britain under ICAO's watch, all secure and good [url]http://ria.ru/world/20140723/1017183845.html[/url] (translated article will be soon) And Russia handed over info from Defence ministry to EU commision. [url]http://en.r...
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[QUOTE=Rofl_copter;45470736]god you are one stubborn guy just admit you're wrong already[/QUOTE] It's fascinating how certain group of people here decides to ignore anything that is counter evidence to their opinion. Why should i admit being wrong expecially at this mo...
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More accusations and more presumptions and any evidence to back their words has yet to surface. There was a steady discussion in other thread and a lot surfaced up. I'd recomend you people to check it.
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[QUOTE=gudman;45468982]It might have been that Buk was initially "aimed" at Boeing in confusion. If rebels didn't know about MH17 being there, they could've mistakenly track it instead of Ukrainian UFO (we don't know exactly what jet it was, briefing only made their pick due t...
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[QUOTE=gudman;45468786]As far as this "another jet in the area" theory goes, I'd explain it like that: they don't really want to admit that their military jet was "hiding" near passenger airliner, in its "radar shadow", so to speak.[/QUOTE] but if that confirms somehow, wo...
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[QUOTE=gudman;45468741]Yeah, that's what I'm believing as well. Rebels probably knew about Ukrainian jet in the area (whatever it was), but didn't know about airliner. Fired the missile at the jet, and their radars (or Russian long-range airport radars from Rostov tracking the...
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[QUOTE=TheKingofBees;45468574]not sure why your link didn't work but here's a working version to the article [URL="http://www.wired.com/2014/07/sa-11-missiles-easy-to-use/"]http://www.wired.com/2014/07/sa-11-missiles-easy-to-use/[/URL][/QUOTE] That article is a bit bullshi...
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[QUOTE=gudman;45468569]Yeah, figured as well. Thought that maybe there's something out there that would tell more, guess that's unlikely.[/QUOTE] Google Earth had cloud mapping but i am really not sure if you can trust those
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[QUOTE=gudman;45468365]Well, not completely, but most of the stuff that matters - yeah, you could say that. Russia24 in my opinion is the more trustworthy source of official ones, because it doesn't release outright lies. It can avoid showing something that's there, or give a ...
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[QUOTE=gudman;45468251]Yeah that trail part seems interesting. I've heard a lot of "witnesses" on media here and there, claiming that they either saw "a plane going down", or "two planes, bigger one and smaller one near it"... but no one ever mentioned the smoke trail. Given t...
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[QUOTE=LVL FACTORY;45467973]This guy, a former Russian/Soviet S-200 operator:[/QUOTE] This is extremely informative(i never thought about buk trail thing myself) but could you please provide link to original text
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[QUOTE=Kite_shugo;45466524]I thought that was untrue; the military bombing around the surrounding areas?[/QUOTE] yep, althought they probably do not respond to goverment at this point [url]http://en.ria.ru/world/20140722/191094718/Malaysian-Experts-Investigating-Boeing-Cr...
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[QUOTE=Matthew0505;45466264]So that narrows it down from Ukraine or Rebels to Ukraine or Rebels.[/QUOTE] The only thing it trully narrows is that plane was hit with warhead full of shrapnels. Soo... yeah.
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[QUOTE=DogGunn;45466225]Debris of MH17 consistent with the effects of a fragmentary warhead carried by the BUK missile system Source: Liveleak user Best source there is.[/QUOTE] Well it would be not fair to deem this theory at all but yeah, soo far this is huge assumpti...
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[QUOTE=Teddybeer;45465414][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/Chrrnos.jpg[/IMG] [url]https://twitter.com/barbarastarrcnn/status/491559153559932928/photo/1[/url][/QUOTE] I hope this is not the ''recon info'' white house promised to publish, cause I can edit map with colored lines al...
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[QUOTE=maxumym;45464687]Oh of course not. Come on. It says "do not open" there, how could they?[/QUOTE] Can't see if it's satire or you actually did not read my post regarding black box. Also, just reported: Ukrainian military keeps bombing near crashsite [url]http...
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[QUOTE=Doom64hunter;45464090]There's probably no information on who's responsible for the crash on it anyways so they just gave it back.[/QUOTE] They would not be able to check that (seriously, i just explained that in post above) Rebel's theory is based on jet's presence ne...
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Soo here's an interesting situation. Adding this up to a recent Russian Defence Ministry briefing (link to post, please read it before doing conclusions [url]http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?p=45456619#post45456619[/url]), where they presented images that back up rebel's th...
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[QUOTE=Buck.;45459285]Did they test for residue of explosives on the debris yet?[/QUOTE] There was literally no one except for OSCE on crashsite, and they were merely "observing situation". Where are all the ICAO and other flight experts? [editline]22nd July 2014[/editl...
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[QUOTE=Teddybeer;45459017][URL="http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/1d6a9ac2-10e3-11e4-b116-00144feabdc0.html#axzz388QQjCsK"]MH17 crash: FT photo shows signs of damage from missile strike[/URL] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/EjdUnUu.jpg[/IMG] Sites a bit bitchy about copy and paste so go...
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[QUOTE=TheKingofBees;45458059]good point, but then again there's also the question of why the Ukrainian air force would dispatch a SU-25 to attack the civilian plane in an area where it itself risks being shot down By rebel forces. [editline] 21 july 2014[/editline] pers...
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[QUOTE=TheKingofBees;45457894]I do have to mention that luhansk reported that they had captured their own su-25 so even if there still is a level of uncertainity [URL="http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/13/ukrainian-shell-russian-border-town-donetsk"]the guardian...
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[QUOTE=zupadupazupadude;45457745]The stuff that was shown in the video isn't evidence? (not that I actually watched the video fully, fuck, it's 30 minutes long with a woman speaking in broken English), but I skipped through parts and they actually provided images.[/QUOTE] T...
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[QUOTE=Heisenburger;45457374]What is with the dumb ratings? That was a ministry of defence conference which presented better arguments than Ukraine has in the last 3 days. 1. They showed satellite pictures of the BUK-M1 in Ukraine held territory right before the incident, a...
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[QUOTE=darkrei9n;45456858]And the US claims that it was a SAM site and claim that satellites picked up the launch from rebel territory.[/QUOTE] Is there any video on web with US Defence briefing aswell? I am just asking, are you guys rating dumb out of boredom?
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[QUOTE=Luni;45456771]let me amend that let's wait until we hear from anyone outside of the kremlin[/QUOTE] It's a Russian Ministry of Defence Briefing. Are you going to wait untill CNN will report on it? Like i said, info in RT's article is same as in other Russian Arti...
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[QUOTE=Luni;45456643]karimatrix pls go RT is not a real source[/QUOTE] did you even read what i wrote. i simply presented this as english written report about briefing, their info[B] regarding briefing[/B] is as same as any other in russian news, but in English for FP u...
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Welp, this is.... getting heated up. [quote]The Russian military detected a Ukrainian SU-25 fighter jet gaining height towards the MH17 Boeing on the day of the catastrophe. Kiev must explain why the military jet was tracking the passenger airplane, the Russian Defense Minist...
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Thought i'd post this: OSCE spoken about rumors regarding limited access to crash site. [url]http://en.itar-tass.com/world/741532[/url] Also, mentioned in link refrigirator trains might move up to either Harkov or Donetsk, rebels have negotiated means to tranport bodies ...
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[QUOTE=Joazzz;45426559]they said i could be anything so i became a political cartoonist [img]http://files.1337upload.net/karimatrix-86fca7.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] Man, Joazz this is fucking awesome. You know what guys, i can officially say i am out of this thread cause wow th...
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[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;45426525]But if the plane was flying low it would suggest some smaller AA system could be used. Thereby removing the necessity of the rebels having SA11 thereby removing the solid evidence that they have and can use the BUK system.[/QUOTE] Exactly, basicall...
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[QUOTE=Streecer;45426517]was found on a rebel owned twitter account[/QUOTE] Whoa, you know the guy personally?[B] FOR REAL?[/B] Or is it written somewhere that twitter is official news feed for DNR and LNR?
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[QUOTE=Kyle902;45426495]If the rebels could shoot down the Antonov then quite obviously they can shoot down the 777. This logic isn't hard to grasp you know[/QUOTE] Do you even known at wich heigh those planes were fliyng?! compare 4000-5000 m to 10 000m. jeez, come ...
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[QUOTE=Chickens!;45426478]Their plane was going to blow up the moon, thank you russian rebels.[/QUOTE] fixed my typo, sorry. [QUOTE=SexualShark;45426453]go shit post somewhere else[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Zonesylvania;45426484]rebels: we no take buk, we good separatists, we onl...
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[QUOTE=Killuah;45425970]Of course the Ukraine would not have confirmed that such valuable and powerful equipment has been seized and now after this they sure will NOT backpedal "hey guys we were lying back then but now that a plane was shot down, ummm, yeah they DID seize ...
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[QUOTE=Streecer;45426428][IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bswi16fIYAAiUS1.png[/IMG] Lookie here, it's the image you ignored from earlier in the thread. Even if you don't believe it, please explain to us how the rebels were able to shoot down two Ukrainian fighters wi...
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Ukraine interfax also reported on Yarema's interview [url]http://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/214197.html[/url] See, it sloowly but surely spreads.
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[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;45426386]And all you've got is a few loose screws, apparently. We've officially entered baby talk territory.[/QUOTE] How is interview with goverment prosecutor is a loose screw? As for baby talk, you shoul read up responces in this thread first before sayi...
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[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;45426368]Is there any solid proof that the rebels shot down the plane? Other than a "leaked" conversation which is very probably fake, why would the rebels let a thing like that leak and it wouldn't be the first time such a thing has been faked by Ukrain...
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[QUOTE=Kyle902;45426316]Can you actually give a reason for the Ukraine shooting it down then? I can't think of a single reason Ukraine would have for shooting down a random plane[/QUOTE] How about same reasons they come up with for rebels? Mistake? Panic? not to mention...
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[QUOTE=Jordax;45426263]There are even photo's of them in the city where the flight was flying over when it got shot down, and photos showing them hastily getting removed. It is clear as shit that the separatists are behind it. They are just trying to hide their colossal fuck...
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[QUOTE=Thlis;45426129]If by never agreed on you mean I refuse to accept anything that differs with my opinion then you should probably live under a rock. And by rock I mean Putin's chiseled/flabby pectoral cleavage.[/QUOTE] I am defending my point that being based on t...
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[QUOTE=Demeschik;45426094]The same page later on says that the commander never claimed anything himself, that all official posts from him contain a STRELKOV SAYS image at the bottom (the BUK ones didn't) and that they took the information from group discussions. It seems that ...
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[QUOTE=40kplayer;45426060]From [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Prosecutor_of_Ukraine#Definition]Wikipedia's article[/url] on the General Prosecutor of Ukraine. They would not know that information or be able to give that information, your sources are not as corr...
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[QUOTE=Brandy92;45426053]VK. [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/zf7tBuQ.png[/IMG] No conspiracy here mate.[/QUOTE] Soo what, i got VK and damn page[B] STATES [/B]that it's not his official fucking page! You can even read label that says "Summaries of the shooting of Igor", how doe...
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[QUOTE=Brandy92;45426047]Why would they reveal or admit to having weapons nobody wants them to have? Is it possible the Ukrainians do not want to admit they have them, because possibly they are stolen?[/QUOTE] Soo you'd rather go conspiracy then simply accept it? Oh,...
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I just don't get it. Rebels said, they don't have buks. Ukranian Prosecutor confimred they have no buks. But tweets from internet are heavier then that. I am being buzzed on for ignoring [B]facts[/B] yet when i ask, hey, were are the rest of facts outside labeled pictures i am...
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[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;45426008]You still don't get it, do you? both sides do agree on this matter, but the sources we have agree on something else entirely, and the sources you posted agree on another piece of information entirely.[/QUOTE] Soo, both sides agree on rebels do no...
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[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;45425975]When you find yourself on the losing end of an argument, and can't continue without being told to stop arguing because it doesn't hold any water, I would take that advice. Otherwise, sad consequences tend to result, and dumbs are not one of them.[/...
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[QUOTE=40kplayer;45425969]Hey, could you link that article with the news about the second black box? The website I found does have a free account I could use, but I encountered an error when trying to register the account.[/QUOTE] The one i got was from russian new website bu...
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[QUOTE=cucumber;45425954]you are just shit posting because of your national pride. What you should do right now is, stop posting.[/QUOTE] you take too much credit for advicing me to when stop posting.
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[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;45425945]Funny enough, each of those actually has information tied to it. You're the one who ignored the context of them. Not me. Nice try though. Seriously, just own up to the fact that you're wrong.[/QUOTE] Tied, HOW? Hashtags? article referencig tw...
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[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;45425923]They've been posted several times in this very thread. Also fuck, shit, piss, and cunt; glad I could swear for you.[/QUOTE] Tweet with a guy standing near buk. Tweet with a picture of Strelkov. Tweet with a lonely Buk. And a video from soc...
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