• Which edition of Watch Dogs is right for you?
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[QUOTE=mchapra;44866140]I love how people overreact when someone includes some dlc skins as a bonus for preordering and say shit like OH NO THEY ARE LOCKING HALF OF THE GAME!!!!!! When that content usually has zero bearing on the actual game. Seriously, never stop overreacting, it's funnier than cable.[/QUOTE] A week after launch, everyone will have forgotten about the DLC because they're completely insignificant to the game.
I wish they would implement the "Giant phone" thing as an easter egg or something, just like the one from that old comedy skit. This one. [video=youtube;27aVPqpnL7Y]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27aVPqpnL7Y[/video] 0:35
[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;44863132]Except that analogy falls apart because the house and car are nonfunctional without those components. The house, car, and game all work when you buy them. DLC are [i]extras[/i] in addition to the base content. You can perfectly enjoy the product without them.[/QUOTE] The comparison doesn't work that way either, there's no guidelines to what a game has to have and what it doesn't. They could release a 4 hour game with 20h of locked content and then you'd just call those 4 hours "the product" and everything else "extras" without which the product is still functional. I think it boils to down to whether you think of this DLC as extras or locked content. Personally I think everything that's available at day 1 should be available to everyone at day 1. These bonus editions are a service for the company and not for the consumer. They make piracy look like the better service and "pirating and waiting for GOTY" the wiser customer decision.
[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;44863044]Gamers are so entitled[/QUOTE] People want to not be mislead and sold a sub par product! Entitled!
i personally think that as long as the DLC doesn't get way out of hand, like locking whole game mechanics (didn't Tony Hawk Pro Skater HD do something like that?) or locking anything necessary to advance the plot, then it doesn't really matter to me. basically, if the game feels "complete" to you without the DLC, then everything else is extra. that said, if I ever buy this, it'll probably be just the standard or whatever some people believe a game will never be complete without all the DLC though
[QUOTE=mchapra;44866140]I love how people overreact when someone includes some dlc skins as a bonus for preordering and say shit like OH NO THEY ARE LOCKING HALF OF THE GAME!!!!!! When that content usually has zero bearing on the actual game. Seriously, never stop overreacting, it's funnier than cable.[/QUOTE] You don't get the point of why people moan, it's not the content (for me at least) it's the preordering. Somehow they convince idiots to buy a game before it's even been released, this basically promotes a shitty attitude because usually a game like this has broken even before any one has even played it. Basically they can (and will) make a shit game and sell tons because people would rather get a shitty skin pack than wait for the embargo to lift on the game.
[QUOTE=Rossy167;44867054]Somehow they convince idiots to buy a game before it's even been released, this basically promotes a shitty attitude because usually a game like this has broken even before any one has even played it.[/QUOTE] I can say there are men on mars, doesn't make it come true. [QUOTE=Rossy167;44867054]Somehow they convince idiots to buy a game before it's even been released[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Rossy167;44867054]Basically they can (and will) make a shit game and sell tons because people would rather get a shitty skin pack than wait for the embargo to lift on the game.[/QUOTE] People who preorder a game are in general people who have decided they want a game from what they've been shown. It's their investment. No one looks at a skin pack preorder dlc and says HMMM YES THIS IS WHAT I WANT A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT COLORS. They've seen the footage and the promotional media, they've been convinced that yeah, they 100% want to buy this game so they go and buy it. For buying it they get some extras. That's it. It's just like limited releases of movies on blu-rays with bonus features, it's intended for people who intend to get that kind of stuff. It doesn't mean anything like the OH MAN ITS THE DEATH OF THE INDUSTRY that /v/ keeps regurgitating. It's just bonuses for booking your copy of something that you are sure and investing into. No one will spend millions on development to make a retail game just to sell preorder dlc because that would be a big waste of money after the preorder dlc time is up.
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[QUOTE=Rossy167;44867116]Forget it I'm done with internet arguments: [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mf5Uj4XIT1Y[/url][/QUOTE] So you use a video made by someone else to explain your stance to me. Nice. Also wow you're surprised that someone defends their stance in an argument??
People are buying versions other than the default standard version? (the digital download/disc versions)
Ubisoft don't think people will buy multiple editions just for small extras, right? Like, there's other reasons for doing this surely
[QUOTE=mchapra;44867128]So you use a video made by someone else to explain your stance to me. Nice. Also wow you're surprised that someone defends their stance in an argument??[/QUOTE] No, I'd bother defending my stance if someone had just said they disagree and given their argument but you just came off as angry at me for disagreeing with you. So I didn't want to start a chain of responses where two people get really angry at each other over basically nothing. Happy? Also I snipped that about 10 seconds after posting it, are you fucking serious?
[QUOTE=NiandraLades;44867141]Ubisoft don't think people will buy multiple editions just for small extras, right? Like, there's other reasons for doing this surely[/QUOTE] Yes, all these other versions are simply providing optional content which consumers can buy if they so desire that content.
[QUOTE=Rossy167;44867149]No, I'd bother defending my stance if someone had just said they disagree and given their argument but you just came off as angry at me for disagreeing with you. So I didn't want to start a chain of responses where two people get really angry at each other over basically nothing.[/QUOTE] I'm not angry though? I'm just explaining as far as I can from what I understand that preorder dlc is not really a bad thing. If you really have anything that provides otherwise, go ahead. If I seemed hostile, it's my bad.
[QUOTE=mchapra;44867168]I'm not angry though? I'm just explaining as far as I can from what I understand that preorder dlc is not really a bad thing. If you really have anything that provides otherwise, go ahead. If I seemed hostile, it's my bad.[/QUOTE] Cool, although my opinion is pretty much TB's: when people pay for a game before it's released and the game is bad they tend to jump to defend it even if it's bad and again it promotes lazy development and it's dropping down £40 on a title you know nothing about besides heavily controlled marketing. He uses the Dead Island as an example. Tbh it's day 1 dlc that is the worst, I mean maps and entire levels like that. I guess at least Watch Dogs isn't doing that. [editline]21st May 2014[/editline] Basically pre ordering is an unnecessary risk on your part, and it allows the publishers and developers to pull of stupid shit, saying they break even was hyperbole though. [editline]21st May 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=mchapra;44867096] People who preorder a game are in general people who have decided they want a game from what they've been shown. It's their investment. No one looks at a skin pack preorder dlc and says HMMM YES THIS IS WHAT I WANT A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT COLORS. They've seen the footage and the promotional media, they've been convinced that yeah, they 100% want to buy this game so they go and buy it. For buying it they get some extras. That's it. [/QUOTE] Anecdotal evidence: when I ask most people why they preorder it's usually a shrug and 'I get it right away and get a map/skin etc. The way you phrased that makes it sound like the type of people that pre order are fans that are dead set, look at the steam front page though Watchdogs is a best seller.
[QUOTE=Rossy167;44867229]Cool, although my opinion is pretty much TB's: when people pay for a game before it's released and the game is bad they tend to jump to defend it even if it's bad and again it promotes lazy development and it's dropping down £40 on a title you know nothing about besides heavily controlled marketing. He uses the Dead Island as an example. Tbh it's day 1 dlc that is the worst, I mean maps and entire levels like that. I guess at least Watch Dogs isn't doing that. [/QUOTE] This. However for preorder scummyness and people defending it, Alien: Colonal Marines is a pretty recent example. What Watch Dogs is doing here, if the game turns out to be a complete load of shit (which given some of the horror stories that have arisen, it could very well be)...The scale of the shitstorm and backlash for such pretentious marketing...That's going to be [b]huge.[/b]
[QUOTE=Rossy167;44867229]Cool, although my opinion is pretty much TB's: when people pay for a game before it's released and the game is bad they tend to jump to defend it even if it's bad and again it promotes lazy development and it's dropping down £40 on a title you know nothing about besides heavily controlled marketing. He uses the Dead Island as an example. Tbh it's day 1 dlc that is the worst, I mean maps and entire levels like that. I guess at least Watch Dogs isn't doing that. [editline]21st May 2014[/editline] Basically pre ordering is an unnecessary risk on your part, and it allows the publishers and developers to pull of stupid shit, saying they break even was hyperbole though. [editline]21st May 2014[/editline] Anecdotal evidence: when I ask most people why they preorder it's usually a shrug and 'I get it right away and get a map/skin etc. The way you phrased that makes it sound like the type of people that pre order are fans that are dead set, look at the steam front page though Watchdogs is a best seller.[/QUOTE] Yeah but wouldn't the marketing play a huge role on that last one? This just seems to be more of a problem with the marketing rather than the content itself but what this game is doing is giving you a few skins of clothing. I mean day 1 dlc can be terrible but the way people are reacting here it seems they've locked half the game when they haven't done that at all. It's like the same people whining about saints row IV dlc, where the game itself has hours worth of content on its own, so the dlc isn't really necessary to expand upon that. I won't lie those items create more incentive to buy to some people but the way the games are marketed results in preorders, not how the preorders are presented.
The only thing I'm interested in are mission DLCs. Clothing and cars I couldn't care less personally.
[QUOTE=No Party Hats;44865641]season pass gives you literally everything but the one thing that sony told the guys "Hey we're gonna give you big bucks to keep this between us, scratch our back we'll scratch yours"[/QUOTE] But it's not sony exclusive! Digital deluxe gets it too!
[QUOTE=Pretty Obscure;44860123]I usually hate PCGamesN, but this was a pretty well written bit of satire.[/QUOTE] I thought it was going to be just another one of "those" articles, but when I saw the graph at the end...
[QUOTE=Gray Altoid;44868450]But it's not sony exclusive! Digital deluxe gets it too![/QUOTE] White hat pack is PlayStation only
[QUOTE=Rossy167;44866998]People want to not be mislead and sold a sub par product! Entitled![/QUOTE] Both of which have nothing to do with what I said. Gamers are entitled because they think they deserve every little thing that comes with Watch_Dogs simply because they bought it. And if they don't get it, they scream like a little kid saying how they're being cheated and scammed for a "subpar product" because they didn't get the optional, extra hat accessory for their toy.
I think that once they saw how many people were interested in this when it was first revealed, that's when they decided to make all this crap dlc. They want people to buy the most expensive version so they can get everything, heck, they might even be hoping that people buy the game twice since none of the packages include everything. It's just shameful.
[QUOTE=Rika-chan;44868852]White hat pack is PlayStation only[/QUOTE] Not according to [url=http://store.steampowered.com/app/243470/]the steam store page[/url] [quote]Purchase Watch_Dogs™ Deluxe Edition now and receive the following bonus items: ... EXCLUSIVE CONTENT: • 60 min of additional gameplay – 4 exclusive missions • A unique DedSec White Hat Hacker suit unlocked upon completion of the missions. • Hacking Boost (Add 1 Battery Slot) • A deeper knowledge of DedSec, an important faction in the Watch_Dogs universe.[/quote] Matches the description for the white hat pack Similar description can be found on the uplay and origin stores for the deluxe edition, and the chart itself shows it too.
[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;44869176]Both of which have nothing to do with what I said. Gamers are entitled because they think they deserve every little thing that comes with Watch_Dogs simply because they bought it. And if they don't get it, they scream like a little kid saying how they're being cheated and scammed for a "subpar product" because they didn't get the optional, extra hat accessory for their toy.[/QUOTE] In my case it's more about going to the store page on release day, seeing that the full package with the game and its day-one DLCs costs like 90$ and going 'nope'.
the not playing this mediocre title one.
[QUOTE=The Baconator;44873507]the not playing this mediocre title one.[/QUOTE] Are you from the future?!
Just the base game thanks. $60 is enough.
[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;44863044][QUOTE=TheTalon;44862871] It's absolutely and completely anti-consumerist, and it should be illegal. You made this content that's ready, including extra actual game content, but you're cutting it up and spreading it out over multiple different editions for different prices making it impossible to get all of it unless you spend $400, or pirate it. Which do you think people are going to do? And all that "extra" content, by the way, is absent from the standard $60 edition.[/QUOTE] Gamers are so entitled[/QUOTE] Go back to IGN
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