• Gearbox talk Tales from the Borderlands: "We're not writing the dialogue because Telltale's better a
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For me, the specific "memes" are obviously not great, and date the game more than anything, but the general dialogue in the game from enemies, to NPC's to the story characters... the definition of meme needs to be expanded. It's not just "All your nades are belong to me." It's just so much of the dialogue feels like it's referencing something without being anything else. The feeling like the game is attempting to reference so often is what really wears me down when playing it. so I almost always play with a buddy and turn down voice audio and stick to subtitles.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;46562104]including his real face.[/QUOTE] His 'real' face is identical to the mask he wears and you can see it in BL2 itself, where if he lands on a good angle, you can see his maskless face.
Thank god, maybe I can get back into the series again. [QUOTE=Raidyr;46563696] Actually whoever wrote that (wasn't Burch btw) did a pretty great job. You can tell because it seems to strike a nerve with the people who act like mindless robots hitting their keyboards bitching about memes.[/QUOTE] Mindless because we dislike poor writing and copy-paste humor, lol.
I have a feeling Anthony is going to take to Twitter when the last episode releases and complain that it wasn't written [I]his[/I] way, and how [I]misogynistic[/I] and [I]politically incorrect[/I] it was, and how the devs should [I]kill themselves[/I].
Translation: We don't want Burch writing it so he doesn't embarrass us again
[QUOTE=Raidyr;46563696] Actually whoever wrote that (wasn't Burch btw) did a pretty great job. You can tell because it seems to strike a nerve with the people who act like mindless robots hitting their keyboards bitching about memes.[/QUOTE] What? No, that was totally Burch. It was even taken from his twitter. [img]http://i.imgur.com/TYeug0W.png[/img] I remember him throwing a hissy fit on twitter and typing that after he was thoroughly put into his place by the late, great, Ryan Davis. [img]http://38.media.tumblr.com/0866df7aa0813f36e79b2aaa219d7533/tumblr_mtpzbbC9er1sxz19yo1_500.png[/img]
[QUOTE=Damoman;46565555] [img]http://38.media.tumblr.com/0866df7aa0813f36e79b2aaa219d7533/tumblr_mtpzbbC9er1sxz19yo1_500.png[/img][/QUOTE] RIP
You guys can argue that we're "cherry picking examples" but I find the Borderlands "humor" extremely obnoxious and annoying. Is that enough of a legitimate complaint for you guys? I don't enjoy being screamed at constantly.
I agree with the notion that memes weren't the problem with BL2, but Burch's writing was. It was really fucking terrile and childish. Remember that time Jack paid you to kill himself? That was actually funny, you know, it made me giggle at least. And then he did it again. And then he paid you to kill the bandits he hired to kill his own grandmother. Burch kept on milking that single aspect of a character. Everyone in that fucking game is flanderized. Remember Tannis' cringeworthy "i don't like other people ughhhhh" dialogue? Remember Scooter's siblings commiting suicide so that he wouldn't fuck them? Because yeah, Scooter is a super-incestuous motherfucker now. Remember [sp]Mordecai's absolutely wooden reaction to Bloodwing's death? Remember Roland? Remember the Slabs?[/sp] Borderlands 2 had fun parts, completely outweighed by all the terrible shit that Burch wrote. I can see why people wouldn't mind such writing, I mean, it's not supposed to be the strong point, right? Did anyone give a honest fuck about the writing in Diablo 1?
[QUOTE=Eonart;46570800]I remember from somewhere that Burch didn't write the Butt Stallion dialogue with Jack and that he actually got insanely jealous because it was the most popular dialogue out of the whole game.[/QUOTE] That was actually Dameon Clarke (Jack's voice actor) improvising.
[QUOTE=nox;46564140] Mindless because we dislike poor writing and copy-paste humor, lol.[/QUOTE] Banned for shitposting (what a surprise) but I never said people who disliked poor writing or "copy-paste humor" (whatever that means), I specifically said people who bitch about all 7 of the memes in BL2. [QUOTE=Damoman;46565555]What? No, that was totally Burch. It was even taken from his twitter. [/QUOTE] Yes, Burch wrote that on his Twitter, then the person who wrote that particular joke (not Burch) put it into the game, probably because its legit funny.
Ok uh tell me who is this legendary Burch, what he has done to gain such highly elevated place because I have never ever touched Borderlands so I do not know about these.
[QUOTE=RichyZ;46569364]i love how your main criticisms against burch are just the fact that hes a cuckold and isnt sociable theres a myriad of actually criticisms you can easily make but you go straight for personal attacks[/QUOTE] That's because he's a massive twat. Not surprising people start making fun of him when the Cucktales surface.
[QUOTE=Careld;46579569]Ok uh tell me who is this legendary Burch, what he has done to gain such highly elevated place because I have never ever touched Borderlands so I do not know about these.[/QUOTE] Lead writer for Borderlands, and he's not very good at it. And in recent months he's proven himself to be a massive cunt. Rumors has it that he's got some really strange ideas about sexuality and relationships.
[QUOTE=latin_geek;46562861]might be great, then [t]http://i.imgur.com/S3gQxo5.jpg[/t] that's not an "expanded" definition, that's the real one. If anything you're not mad at memes, you're mad at how badly those 16 lines of dialog were hamfisted into the game with no consideration. There are plenty of open-world games with tons of references in them, New Vegas is a great example of that.[/QUOTE] After that misogyny bit happens, the cast pretty much rolls their eyes and tells tourge to leave. It's just as much of a groaner for them as it is us.
[QUOTE=Careld;46579569]Ok uh tell me who is this legendary Burch, what he has done to gain such highly elevated place because I have never ever touched Borderlands so I do not know about these.[/QUOTE] He's a cuck that ruined Borderlands with muh feminism and ebin maymays.
All this said, I have played Episode 1 of Tales From The Borderlands. It's the most solid Borderlands game to date, if that says anything.
[QUOTE=Latex;46579806]Lead writer at Gearbox[/QUOTE] No just Borderlands.
[QUOTE=Man in the Moon;46579925]After that misogyny bit happens, the cast pretty much rolls their eyes and tells tourge to leave. It's just as much of a groaner for them as it is us.[/QUOTE] That doesn't make it any funnier.
[QUOTE=RichyZ;46569364]i love how your main criticisms against burch are just the fact that hes a cuckold and isnt sociable theres a myriad of actually criticisms you can easily make but you go straight for personal attacks[/QUOTE] I saw that mentioned once maybe twice in this whole thread, the fuck are you talking about
You think it wouldn't be hard to contradict characters who spoke only in one liners; and yet the character who asks enemies if they're tracking his score in the first game has literally no personality by the sequel. It's like he got writing advice from [I]George Lucas[/I].
[QUOTE=Gray Altoid;46580390]That doesn't make it any funnier.[/QUOTE] Yeah Torgue isn't as funny in TPS as he was in Borderlands 2 but that line is still completely in character.
[t]http://i.imgur.com/ZEkb1iE.jpg[/t] This is a compilation of all my complaints with Burch.
[QUOTE=Korova;46583144] This is a compilation of all my complaints with Burch.[/QUOTE] I'm not going to touch the personal shit other than to say he does say pretty shitty things on Twitter to people who don't deserve it, but I broke down the Borderlands argument in another thread. Basically it all hinges on the idea that New-U stations are canon, in which case they certainly weren't in Borderlands 2. We don't know if they were meant to be in Borderlands 1 but we have to assume they aren't if they also aren't in the immediate sequel. The argument given in that image is that the ending of the third DLC heavily implies that they do exist in the world. A far more likely conclusion is that they simply worked within the constraints Gearbox had established with the main game. The guy who wrote his post has some good ideas and I could see canon New-U's being cool, but it's simply inaccurate to say that in Borderlands 1 they were when no one really knows, then move that over to Borderlands 2 where the writer outright said they aren't canon.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;46583199]I'm not going to touch the personal shit other than to say he does say pretty shitty things on Twitter to people who don't deserve it, but I broke down the Borderlands argument in another thread. Basically it all hinges on the idea that New-U stations are canon, in which case they certainly weren't in Borderlands 2. We don't know if they were meant to be in Borderlands 1 but we have to assume they aren't if they also aren't in the immediate sequel. The argument given in that image is that the ending of the third DLC heavily implies that they do exist in the world. A far more likely conclusion is that they simply worked within the constraints Gearbox had established with the main game. The guy who wrote his post has some good ideas and I could see canon New-U's being cool, but it's simply inaccurate to say that in Borderlands 1 they were when no one really knows, then move that over to Borderlands 2 where the writer outright said they aren't canon.[/QUOTE] IMO saying that they weren't canon was a cop-out, justifying plot-kills. The post made it so that they were canon, and then used that concept alone to branch out and fix up a lot of the game's story.
[QUOTE=LegndNikko;46583508]IMO saying that they weren't canon was a cop-out, justifying plot-kills. The post made it so that they were canon, and then used that concept alone to branch out and fix up a lot of the game's story.[/QUOTE] Right, like I said I agreed that a canon New-U could be interesting I was just responding to the image and it's claims of "inconsistencies". It's entirely consistent if you don't base your analysis implication off the ambigious ending of a DLC not made by the team that made BL1 or BL2.
say what you want about burch but i still like the dude, he can still write for small stuff like his webseries with his sister and on that burch is pretty good. Takes shots at himself heavily. I honestly think people have blown this way out of proportion and i also think Burch just bought into the people freaking out and ended up making whatever was there worse by using twitter.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;46583199]I'm not going to touch the personal shit other than to say he does say pretty shitty things on Twitter to people who don't deserve it, but I broke down the Borderlands argument in another thread. Basically it all hinges on the idea that New-U stations are canon, in which case they certainly weren't in Borderlands 2. We don't know if they were meant to be in Borderlands 1 but we have to assume they aren't if they also aren't in the immediate sequel. The argument given in that image is that the ending of the third DLC heavily implies that they do exist in the world. A far more likely conclusion is that they simply worked within the constraints Gearbox had established with the main game. The guy who wrote his post has some good ideas and I could see canon New-U's being cool, but it's simply inaccurate to say that in Borderlands 1 they were when no one really knows, then move that over to Borderlands 2 where the writer outright said they aren't canon.[/QUOTE] Actually Anthony is just a shitty writer. During the last Summer Games Done Quick they had him on the phone during part of the Borderlands 2 run. In it he admitted that he had no idea what he was doing when it came to the New-U stations. He wrote the game as though they aren't cannon, but then he wrote a sidequest that doesn't work unless New-U stations are cannon. He straight out said he forgot he made them non-cannon and thought he was being super clever with that sidequest. He's a bad writer who can't even remember important parts of his own writing.
[QUOTE=Viva;46584453]say what you want about burch but i still like the dude, he can still write for small stuff like his webseries with his sister and on that burch is pretty good. Takes shots at himself heavily. I honestly think people have blown this way out of proportion and i also think Burch just bought into the people freaking out and ended up making whatever was there worse by using twitter.[/QUOTE] FYI: Ashley Burch writes 90% of the HAWP episodes, which is also why Valve had her help with writing Expiration Date
[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;46585902]Actually Anthony is just a shitty writer. During the last Summer Games Done Quick they had him on the phone during part of the Borderlands 2 run. In it he admitted that he had no idea what he was doing when it came to the New-U stations. He wrote the game as though they aren't cannon, but then he wrote a sidequest that doesn't work unless New-U stations are cannon. He straight out said he forgot he made them non-cannon and thought he was being super clever with that sidequest. He's a bad writer who can't even remember important parts of his own writing.[/QUOTE] I think you have it backwards; he unequivocally stated they were non-canon then at some point wrote a side quest that requires them to be. It's obvious that I'm willing to give him more leeway but it seemed like an honest attempt to criticize his own work for being inconsistent. [editline]27th November 2014[/editline] And it's not just Burch I'd give the benefit of the doubt to. Being the lead writer on a game as extensive as Borderlands, especially when working during crunch. If it were a main quest or important plot development I'd be more critical. That's just me though. [editline]27th November 2014[/editline] Last thought: it's pretty cynical to interpret a writers self criticism, especially when delivered on his off time to provide people watching a speed run, as "lmao even he knows he is a shit writer".
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