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[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;45086070]Give me a list of black female protagonists from games released this year and last year. If they're "all over the fucking shop" it should be easy right?[/QUOTE] I can do this. - Clementine from The Walking Dead Season 2. - Nilin from Remember me - - - - Welp, that's it. I had to do a lot of research for that one.
[QUOTE=Kardia;45086276]I would have assumed that the decision makers would get blamed. If people blame individuals who had no choice when it came to what goes in/out then those people are stupid. But most people don't blame the helpless devs - they blame the people who decided what's what.[/QUOTE] Most people blame the entire company actually and very, VERY few people ever blame the actual person/people who made the decision, because you almost never hear about them.
[QUOTE=milkandcooki;45086271]three characters. three characters across 3 [I]sixty dollar AAA [/I]games with hundreds of developers working on them. Only ONE of these three characters is playable, and was in the version that didn't sell well because it launched on the Vita, a system that basically nobody owns. Now name every male character from those games. 1 sec made this post too early, gotta edit[/QUOTE] So you get another female character in your game. Then what? These arguments sound like Anita's analysis on Bayonetta, the most laughable thing I've ever seen someone say with a straight face about this whole deal, in which she says the only pro for Bayonetta is that she is a single mother. What. the. fuck. What happened in the video game world that suddenly made the fact that some character in a hack n' slash game is a single mother, such an important thing?
[QUOTE=milkandcooki;45086419]I can do this. - Clementine from The Walking Dead Season 2. - Nilin from Remember me - - - - Welp, that's it. I had to do a lot of research for that one.[/QUOTE] Kinda sad that one did poorly sales wise, and the other had to spend a whole other series of it just getting us to actually like the character before we could have a game just about her.
Let's just cool it with nit picks here. Is the lack of gender diversity an issue worth talking about? Why / why not? Also: If you feel like this isn't an issue worth talking about, then why talk about it here?
[QUOTE=Ownederd;45086400]how is this even relevant to the discussion[/QUOTE] because neither sally nor hoodedsniper can contribute to any conversation about representation in games without being petulant children due to the fact that neither of them know how to argue without coming up with hyperbolized situations that are impossible to argue against, loaded questions that are, again, impossible to argue against. because of that they, along with like 30 other users on this forum, whip out the personal attacks.
[QUOTE=Ownederd;45086400]how is this even relevant to the discussion[/QUOTE] Women are underrepresented, I guess. Does Rust have women? I don't know, I've never played it.
[QUOTE=Rocâ„¢;45086432]So you get another female character in your game. Then what? These arguments sound like Anita's analysis on Bayonetta, the most laughable thing I've ever seen someone say with a straight face about this whole deal, in which she says the only pro for Bayonetta is that she is a single mother. What. the. fuck. What happened in the video game world that suddenly made the fact that some character in a hack n' slash game is a single mother, such an important thing?[/QUOTE] Nothing, thats why Anita just blows hot air and a lot of the arguments she uses, and others use that are similar, tend to be worthless whines that actually dont help video games. For fucksakes I dont know how ANYONE takes her seriously after her last video where she repremanded pacman and ms pacman having a pixelated pacman jr son out of wedlock. OUT OF WEDLOCK she says, as if Pacman has any lore. She also compares pacman/ms.pacman to the story of Adam and Eve, shes a fucking nutter nobody who just happened to get known really quick due to easy explotation of an ongoing controversy.
[QUOTE=Kardia;45086445]Let's just cool it with nit picks here. Is the lack of gender diversity an issue worth talking about? Why / why not? Also: If you feel like this isn't an issue worth talking about, then why talk about it here?[/QUOTE] yes, it's important. why? because i, a person who buys and plays games, doesn't want to play as the same type of character over and over again, much like how i don't want to play nothing but shooters or racing games. and i talk about it here because this is an internet forum. i shouldn't have to rationalize why i'm having a discussion unless it's interfering with something important, which it's not because this is what the thread's about. if you honestly think that there's a topic here that shouldn't be discussed (aside from obviously illegal shit like how to murder a person or where to get child porn), you might wanna get to work because there's hundreds of threads where people are talking about equally "useless" shit. [editline]12th June 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=HoodedSniper;45086476]Nothing, thats why Anita just blows hot air and a lot of the arguments she uses, and others use that are similar, tend to be worthless whines that actually dont help video games. For fucksakes I dont know how ANYONE takes her seriously after her last video where she repremanded pacman and ms pacman having a pixelated pacman jr son out of wedlock. OUT OF WEDLOCK she says, as if Pacman has any lore. She also compares pacman/ms.pacman to the story of Adam and Eve, shes a fucking nutter nobody who just happened to get known really quick due to easy explotation of an ongoing controversy.[/QUOTE] it's hilarious that you cite her most rational and agreeable fem freq video as one of the craziest. it's almost as if you haven't even bothered to watch any of her videos.
[QUOTE=Bread_Baron;45086255]He's not backpedaling, he's owning up. That's the opposite of backpedaling.[/QUOTE] He's giving some some generic cookie cutter "well it doesnt matter if it was a joke because it wasnt funny!" response thats not owning up
[QUOTE=milkandcooki;45086452]because neither sally nor hoodedsniper can contribute to any conversation about representation in games without being petulant children due to the fact that neither of them know how to argue without coming up with hyperbolized situations that are impossible to argue against, loaded questions that are, again, impossible to argue against. because of that they, along with like 30 other users on this forum, whip out the personal attacks.[/QUOTE] Maybe if my arguments are something you cant argue against than maybe your arguments are just shit? I mean I generally just see you spew garbage and get agreed from like the same exact people all the time and vice-versa, its an exclusive circlejerk almost. Plus id love to see all these locked and loaded questions I apparently keep asking, I mean I pretty much just only asked Why should any game dev or anyone in any form of media have to conform or listen to anyone else, even if its a majority outrage?
[QUOTE=Bazsil;45086547]He's giving some some generic cookie cutter "well it doesnt matter if it was a joke because it wasnt funny!" response thats not owning up[/QUOTE] so you're calling out the guy who is dismissing somebody who's only here to make worthless joke-posts that don't contribute to the conversation... instead of the guy who [I]is only here to make worthless joke-posts that don't contribute to the conversation?[/I]
I'm pretty sure I wasn't owning up or backpedaling, I was trolling for zings. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Admitted to trolling" - Craptasket))[/highlight]
[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;45086070]Give me a list of black female protagonists from games released this year and last year. If they're "all over the fucking shop" it should be easy right?[/QUOTE] He said characters who are either black or female, not both.
[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;45086564]Maybe if my arguments are something you cant argue against than maybe your arguments are just shit? I mean I generally just see you spew garbage and get agreed from like the same exact people all the time and vice-versa, its an exclusive circlejerk almost. Plus id love to see all these locked and loaded questions I apparently keep asking, I mean I pretty much just only asked Why should any game dev or anyone in any form of media have to conform or listen to anyone else, even if its a majority outrage?[/QUOTE] look at the post you just made [QUOTE=HoodedSniper;45086066]100% of the human race are skeletons, why arent there more games where I can play as a skeleton living life on the edge and facing hardships? Where are my skeletons? They are always enemies , its fucking bullshit and seriously offensive to me and my skeleton brethren.[/QUOTE] what does this have to do with anything? instead of coming up with a real argument, something you're capable of doing, you throw out this nonsense. is this skeleton analogy comparable to... anything relevant? does it reveal some kind of information that was previously unknown to everyone here? no, you just made it because you couldn't think of an actual response to "why can't we have more women in games." [editline]12th June 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Ganerumo;45086608]He said characters who are either black or female, not both.[/QUOTE] the problem with his original statement is that he was tryna dismiss everyone's points with the "but black and/or female characters exist" card. yeah, good female and minority characters exist in games, nobody's denying that, but they're a drop in the goddamn ocean compared to the number of boring and bland characters we see nearly every week.
[QUOTE=milkandcooki;45086616]look at the post you just made what does this have to do with anything? instead of coming up with a real argument, something you're capable of doing, you throw out this nonsense. is this skeleton analogy comparable to... anything relevant? does it reveal some kind of information that was previously unknown to everyone here? no, you just made it because you couldn't think of an actual response to "why can't we have more women in games."[/QUOTE] No I actually made it as a joke, I wasnt actually trying to argue with a single person at all. Actually, it was a joke against the purple furry fox post. So once again you try to undermine me by saying im just making worthless jokes and nothing else in this thread(I only made 3 jokes)when its just you not reading or understanding I guess, I dont know, you come off pretty weird in the head. So please find a serious question I asked in this thread thats loaded like a gun.
[QUOTE=milkandcooki;45086569]so you're calling out the guy who is dismissing somebody who's only here to make worthless joke-posts that don't contribute to the conversation... instead of the guy who [I]is only here to make worthless joke-posts that don't contribute to the conversation?[/I][/QUOTE] you havent lived until you've seen milkandcooki of all people grill someone else about contributing nothing
[QUOTE=wari65;45085897]I identify as a purple furred fox. Why can't I play Assassin's creed as a fox? Plenty of other people identify as foxes. It's not that much of a workload to add a fox assassin. Foxes kill things by out-thinking them, shouldn't it be more fitting for foxes to be added as assassins? Having humans as the protagonists in games is just getting boring, why not animals? It'll add new gameplay and story opportunities. Ubisoft is just being lazy >:(((((((((((((((((((((([/QUOTE] speaking of hoodedsniper's response, here's another one. can someone explain what the point of these types of posts are besides trying to fish for funny ratings with minimal effort. [QUOTE=Bazsil;45086659]you havent lived until you've seen milkandcooki of all people grill someone else about contributing nothing[/QUOTE] i've made 8 posts here, might as well be more considering that i've been doing a lot of automerging. the one you're replying to and the one i'm making right now are the only ones not directly related to the thread topic.
[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;45086564]Maybe if my arguments are something you cant argue against than maybe your arguments are just shit? I mean I generally just see you spew garbage and get agreed from like the same exact people all the time and vice-versa, its an exclusive circlejerk almost.[/QUOTE] Funny thing, this happens with always the same people, on every major discussion. Sadly, thisispain isn't here to shitpost anymore.
[QUOTE=milkandcooki;45086665]speaking of hoodedsniper's response, here's another one. can someone explain what the point of these types of posts are besides trying to fish for funny ratings with minimal effort.[/QUOTE] Nothing, they are just worthless banter posted by people on a public forum, the same exact worth as asking such an obvious question.
[QUOTE=Bazsil;45086659]you havent lived until you've seen milkandcooki of all people grill someone else about contributing nothing[/QUOTE] so what are you doing then
Hey Milky boy you ever gonna find more of those incredibly loaded questions I asked in this thread? You were so bent on calling me out that you must have forgotten a real example.
Jesus Dalia Lama Christ HoodedSniper just come out with it already, you must be horrible on dates with how much you skirt around the subject at hand. Let me help you. [QUOTE=HoodedSniper;45086696]We can't have more women in games because that would be as ridiculous as adding skeleton player characters in games. Both are unimportant demographics that I don't want included in any games I play.[/QUOTE] Since you can't be arsed to actually say your opinion we really have no choice but to go off of the jokes you made. The reason I stopped answering seriously is because your attitude seems to be that if a large portion of gamers ask to be included into something then what they are asking is stupid and arbitrary.
[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;45086754]Hey Milky boy you ever gonna find more of those incredibly loaded questions I asked in this thread? You were so bent on calling me out that you must have forgotten a real example.[/QUOTE] good job proving his point [QUOTE=milkandcooki;45086452]because neither sally nor hoodedsniper can contribute to any conversation about representation in games without being petulant children due to the fact that neither of them know how to argue without coming up with hyperbolized situations that are impossible to argue against, loaded questions that are, again, impossible to argue against. [B]because of that they, along with like 30 other users on this forum, whip out the personal attacks[/B].[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Comrade_Eko;45086760]Jesus Dalia Lama Christ HoodedSniper just come out with it already, you must be horrible on dates with how much you skirt around the subject at hand. Let me help you. Since you can't be arsed to actually say your opinion we really have no choice but to go off of the jokes you made. The reason I stopped answering seriously is because your attitude seems to be that if a large portion of gamers ask to be included into something then what they are asking is stupid and arbitrary.[/QUOTE] Jesus christ are you so fucking crazy and out of touch that you actually come to that conclusion with that fake quote you made? I really do not get people on facepunch that go to such lengths to put people in other peoples mouths, you see it all the fucking time. Seriously fuck off with that shit, you are just as cancerous as those people that just label random people as racist/sexist/misogynistic when they arent in the first place. [editline]12th June 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Ownederd;45086770]good job proving his point[/QUOTE] I didnt personally attack him there actually, and before this shit gets more far from the point im asking again. [B]What are the loaded questions ive been asking this thread?[/B] Can [B]milkandcooki [/B]please fucking answer that, give me the actual quote of my question as well. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Flaming / Don't feed the troll" - Craptasket))[/highlight]
[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;45086564]Maybe if my arguments are something you cant argue against than maybe your arguments are just shit? I mean I generally just see you spew garbage and get agreed from like the same exact people all the time and vice-versa, its an exclusive circlejerk almost. Plus id love to see all these locked and loaded questions I apparently keep asking, I mean I pretty much just only asked Why should any game dev or anyone in any form of media have to conform or listen to anyone else, even if its a majority outrage?[/QUOTE] game devs don't HAVE to listen to anyone, no one is saying they HAVE to. at the same time we don't HAVE to buy their games and we don't HAVE to support them and we don't HAVE to shut up and be quiet about our complaints. we get to complain as much as we please and the louder we are, the more people listen and the more likely companies have to take action or at least respond. [editline]12th June 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=HoodedSniper;45086754]Hey Milky boy you ever gonna find more of those incredibly loaded questions I asked in this thread? You were so bent on calling me out that you must have forgotten a real example.[/QUOTE] listen i'm sorry you apparently need to stroke your ego by personally attacking people on internet forums but it's not contributing to the discussion in the least
[QUOTE=Ownederd;45086725]so what are you doing then[/QUOTE] Im not the one who started the issue of who is and isnt contributing Epic zinger there though
[QUOTE=milkandcooki;45086665]speaking of hoodedsniper's response, here's another one. can someone explain what the point of these types of posts are besides trying to fish for funny ratings with minimal effort. [/QUOTE] I mean I could spend 10 pages telling people how offended I am that I can't play as a girl in a video game. My intent is that maybe one person would realize how idiotic this is. Doing something productive with your life like actually supporting gender equality IRL is far more productive than arguing with Max about feminism.
I wonder where all those people that advocate for artistic integrity hide in these situations. I mean, it IS their game, if they don't wanna make female characters, I'm pretty sure that's an executive decision, most likely backed by data collection on demographics and projections of sales. You guy whinne all you want, but Ubisoft decided that they can handle this PR controversy and get away with not going back on their word and still sell a shit load of copies. And you all know it'll sell.
[QUOTE=postmanX3;45086857]game devs don't HAVE to listen to anyone, no one is saying they HAVE to. at the same time we don't HAVE to buy their games and we don't HAVE to support them and we don't HAVE to shut up and be quiet about our complaints. we get to complain as much as we please and the louder we are, the more people listen and the more likely companies have to take action or at least respond. [editline]12th June 2014[/editline] listen i'm sorry you apparently need to stroke your ego by personally attacking people on internet forums but it's not contributing to the discussion in the least[/QUOTE] He's got a point, if someone makes an argument but can't back it up then their argument is a lot less credible.
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