• Yes All Men: Assassin’s Creed Bro-op Controversy Escalates
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so why isn't any site making a fuss about not being able to play a dude in mirror's edge 2? bunch of overly politically correct fucks
[QUOTE=Orkel;45093564]so why isn't any site making a fuss about not being able to play a dude in mirror's edge 2?[/QUOTE] because you can close your eyes, spin around, and point at a random game from this generation and chances are you play as a guy. and the only reason anyone would EVER say that is because they can't come up with a real argument.
[QUOTE=Satane;45093305]Women want female players just for the sake of representing their gender.[/QUOTE] Representation isn't political correctness...
[QUOTE=AntonioR;45091125]Hasn't Hollywood and TV industry already done that ? In 90% of movies women are still just a pretty face or a sexual object. And best example is Game Of Thrones which half of the popularity is based on that and people seem to be more than OK with it. And don't tell me "it fits the medieval times where women had no rights". It's just a fantasy novel/series.[/QUOTE] By complaining about Movies and TV here you just proved my point, if the same thing happened in a game you'd complain.
Political correctness is expecting a group of ruthless murderers to somehow include a woman in their ranks when their job is to infiltrate highly dangerous environments while looking as inhumanely intimidating as possible in the middle of the 18th century. There's a reason the only female assassin in Black Flag was posing as a dude and there was a reason Aveline in Liberation was posing as either a harmless slave or a noble woman. Story wise it doesn't fit to have female assassins walking around in that time period when it's made very clear that they're extremely rare.
[QUOTE=AntonioR;45091125]Hasn't Hollywood and TV industry already done that ? In 90% of movies women are still just a pretty face or a sexual object. And best example is Game Of Thrones which half of the popularity is based on that and people seem to be more than OK with it. And don't tell me "it fits the medieval times where women had no rights". It's just a fantasy novel/series.[/QUOTE] The only reason Game of Thrones does it so much is because it's on HBO, the only television network in America where you can have as much gratuitous violence, swearing, and uncensored sex scenes as you want. That's hardly a good example. It's not nearly as bad in the books.
[QUOTE=AntonioR;45091125]Hasn't Hollywood and TV industry already done that ? In 90% of movies women are still just a pretty face or a sexual object. And best example is Game Of Thrones which half of the popularity is based on that and people seem to be more than OK with it. And don't tell me "it fits the medieval times where women had no rights". It's just a fantasy novel/series.[/QUOTE] The thing about GoT is, if a female character somehow has a social standing high enough to warrant her not becoming a throwaway wife or a whore, then chances are that character is or will soon turn into a badass. There's a lot of whores, yes, but there's also a pretty solid number of decent female characters, some of which actually revolve around being whores or the object of political marriage. Catlyn, Arya, Sansa, Daenerys, Brienne, Cersei, Margaery and even Shae are all solid characters, even if some of them are written to be dumb as shit, huge cunts, betrayers, etc. Next people are gonna complain there's only three known bisexual/homosexual characters in game of thrones.
[QUOTE=The golden;45094132]You're trying to argue historical accuracy in a game with techno-magic? :v:[/quote] The games have been priding themselves on the accuracy of their historical settings. [QUOTE=The golden;45094132]Also the fact that a female assassin would be unexpected would be a prime reason for having one. That's the whole point of being an assassin - to be unexpected. (Admittedly, the games have been failing miserably at the whole "being an assassin" part) On top of that Aveline's costume system added some new mechanics to the game which it was in DIRE need of.[/QUOTE] In the lore there was a female assassin in France at that time, but the reason that one assassin was so badass is because she was the only female assassin around there at that time.
[url]http://www.reddit.com/r/assassinscreed/comments/27ut97/distinct_lack_of_female_characters_due_to/ci5z8i7[/url] I'll just post this here. Actual guy from the devteam wrote this thing out. Provides a shitton of insight, shows how nothing is ever as simple as you might think it is.
[QUOTE=Bread_Baron;45091876]Last time I checked Assassin's Creed wasn't completely historically accurate.[/QUOTE] Of course it isn't 100% historically accurate, it's a game. But they do try to make the setting historically accurate.
[QUOTE=isnipeu;45096891]Of course it isn't 100% historically accurate, it's a game. But they do try to make the setting historically accurate.[/QUOTE] I'm sorry, games have to either be 100% historically accurate or not at all.
[QUOTE=Mastahamma;45096267][url]http://www.reddit.com/r/assassinscreed/comments/27ut97/distinct_lack_of_female_characters_due_to/ci5z8i7[/url] I'll just post this here. Actual guy from the devteam wrote this thing out. Provides a shitton of insight, shows how nothing is ever as simple as you might think it is.[/QUOTE] This pretty much is exactly what I said earlier, I dont know why people think that even if a company is big and has lots of money that it can just magically throw money and people at something and pump shit out whenever they please.
[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;45097377]This pretty much is exactly what I said earlier, I dont know why people think that even if a company is big and has lots of money that it can just magically throw money and people at something and pump shit out whenever they please.[/QUOTE] If that was the case we'd see another Call Of Duty every 6 months.
[QUOTE=isnipeu;45096891]Of course it isn't 100% historically accurate, it's a game. But they do try to make the setting historically accurate.[/QUOTE] That said, it wouldn't be a stretch to say there was a female assassin nobody knew about. The same way the best of the legendary pirates somehow didn't go down recorded in our history like all of his mates (even Stede Bonnet).
[QUOTE=Bread_Baron;45097769]That said, it wouldn't be a stretch to say there was a female assassin nobody knew about. The same way the best of the legendary pirates somehow didn't go down recorded in our history like all of his mates (even Stede Bonnet).[/QUOTE] Except that female assassin's were actually a thing in that time, so it is still historically accurate.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;45093789]Political correctness is expecting a group of ruthless murderers to somehow include a woman in their ranks when their job is to infiltrate highly dangerous environments while looking as inhumanely intimidating as possible in the middle of the 18th century. [/QUOTE] Yes it's true, political correctness is disagreeing with "Ganerumo" on "Facepunch Studios" when it comes to narratives.
[QUOTE=niel12_5D;45097838]Yes it's true, political correctness is disagreeing with "Ganerumo" on "Facepunch Studios" when it comes to narratives.[/QUOTE] MaxOfS2D doesn't work for Facepunch anymore and this is Garry's opinion of the matter [url]https://twitter.com/garrynewman/status/476653019493597184[/url]
Internet feminism is a joke.
[QUOTE=Stents*;45097858]MaxOfS2D doesn't work for Facepunch anymore and this is Garry's opinion of the matter [url]https://twitter.com/garrynewman/status/476653019493597184[/url][/QUOTE] Glad to have "Garry Newman"'s input on the matter.
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;45081249]Why shouldn't it be a requirement? Their "it's too much work" excuse is obviously bullshit, they're not bothering to include playable female characters because of some fucked up "video games are for boys" mentality. Defending them just validates that attitude. [editline]12th June 2014[/editline] Because the the inclusion of female characters in this game should be particularly obvious for this game and the devs' excuse is particularly bad.[/QUOTE] putting requirements on forms of expression and art do you people seriously read what you are posting
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;45093789]Political correctness is expecting a group of ruthless murderers to somehow include a woman in their ranks when their job is to infiltrate highly dangerous environments while looking as inhumanely intimidating as possible in the middle of the 18th century.[/QUOTE] thats stupid because A) the assassins don't try to look "as inhumanely intimidating as possible" and B) are you really implying that women can't possibly look intimidating?
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;45097956]putting requirements on forms of expression and art do you people seriously read what you are posting[/QUOTE] Art and expression already has implicit requirements and rules.
[QUOTE=niel12_5D;45097966]Art and expression already has implicit requirements and rules.[/QUOTE] elaborate on this if you can demonstrate an implicit requirement that demands the inclusion of a person, type of person or theme in a piece of art or expression, then I'll believe you
"@glietzsche On the upside, have you seen Nintendo's E3 stuff? 3/4 female chars in Hyrule Warrios, 50:50 in Splatoon, and Palutena for SSB :D" The moment where a game or anything gets more praise for having a female character than it gets for having a good story/graphics/whatever good it may have, its the moment we know everyone's priorities are right :downs: Best part is that the self appointed feminist in that twitter feed is even more excited at Grim Fandango than at the presence of female characters in video games in general. Seriously, its like getting a big christmas present containing the item you want the most and then being happier at the fact that its recycled wrapping paper.
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;45097974]elaborate on this if you can demonstrate an implicit requirement that demands the inclusion of a person, type of person or theme in a piece of art or expression, then I'll believe you[/QUOTE] What "SigmaLambda" was criticizing was what he felt was an implicit rule by developers not to include female characters. [quote]not bothering to include playable female characters because of some fucked up "video games are for boys" mentality.[/quote] All art has implicit in-and-out groups. It's a function of culture; anthropology of art 101. "SigmaLambda" obviously feels like that rule should not be there and instead developers or the "community" or whatever should consider female and male characters as equally desirable in videogames. All art has things that we cannot and can do and those form the values and variables in art.
[QUOTE=niel12_5D;45098037]What "SigmaLambda" was criticizing was what he felt was an implicit rule by developers not to include female characters. [/QUOTE] how is this an implicit rule when far more games nowadays include female characters, to the point where it is now a frequent occurrence if you're going with implicit rules, then surely the rule is "people do not feel that they need to have female characters", which they shouldn't. It's their product, it's their vision, you cannot demand they add in characters to their story and world because you want them to. If you don't like it, don't buy it - if people agree with your point of view, they also won't buy it, and thus the developer will be forced to change and that is not a requirement that demands the inclusion of a person or subject matter because 'it should just be the case'; there is nothing like that
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;45098049]how is this an implicit rule when far more games nowadays include female characters[/QUOTE] more than male ones?
Fuck political correctness. These writers have the right to write their story of assassins creed any fucking way that they want. Its called artistic integrity. It has nothing to do with politics. Its their characters, the way they want to write THEIR story, and fuck you if you don't like it.
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;45098077]more than male ones?[/QUOTE] absolutely not what I said if there is an implicit rule that developers cannot have female characters, then how do you explain the presence (and increasing popularity) of female characters
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;45098077]more than male ones?[/QUOTE] "Only when there are more female characters than male we will we stop fighting". that's the vibe I'm getting from that question.
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