Riot president: "It's pretty frustrating when people try to position us as greedy"
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[QUOTE=Ragekipz;43406273]Even if they update his model, Gentleman Cho will still be just a reskin with a different voice over.[/QUOTE]
literally all skins are, technically, reskins, so i'm not sure what your point is?
[editline]3rd January 2014[/editline]
perhaps you mean recolor? because there's no way you'd even be able to know that. other champions that got VUs had skins that were just recolors, and riot changed the models of those and now most of them are actually pretty good
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;43406320]literally all skins are, technically, reskins, so i'm not sure what your point is?
[editline]3rd January 2014[/editline]
perhaps you mean recolor? because there's no way you'd even be able to know that. other champions that got VUs had skins that were just recolors, and riot changed the models of those and now most of them are actually pretty good[/QUOTE]
Battlecast Cho is whole different model.
yes. cool. but like i said, gentlemen cho is old as shit and it's getting a visual upgrade, eventually. you cannot know if it's gonna stay as nothing but a recolor with a fancy hat on, and you cannot know if it's going to be worth the same as battlecast cho'gath or not, because it hasn't happened yet. is it seriously that hard to understand? i can explain it to you in portuguese if you need me to
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;43406494]yes. cool. but like i said, gentlemen cho is old as shit and it's getting a visual upgrade, eventually. you cannot know if it's gonna stay as nothing but a recolor with a fancy hat on, and you cannot know if it's going to be worth the same as battlecast cho'gath or not, because it hasn't happened yet. is it seriously that hard to understand? i can explain it to you in portuguese if you need me to[/QUOTE]
Too bad this isn't the future and we have two skins with the same price while one of them is clearly inferior.
then don't buy either until they do the VU? nobody's forcing you
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;43406539]then don't buy either until they do the VU? nobody's forcing you[/QUOTE]
Can't say they're not greedy for doing that either.
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;43406539]then don't buy either until they do the VU? nobody's forcing you[/QUOTE]
Telling them "not to buy it" is like saying "yes it's fucked up deal with it"
so they're greedy because they aren't finished with VUs for the huge amount of champions that need it? you do realize these things take time, right?
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;43406612]so they're greedy because they aren't finished with VUs for the huge amount of champions that need it? you do realize these things take time, right?[/QUOTE]
They introduced an entire intermediary category to those skins that aren't worth as much as their new 1850 skins. What's their excuse for not lowering the price?
[QUOTE=Keychain;43406598]Telling them "not to buy it" is like saying "yes it's fucked up deal with it"[/QUOTE]
except it's not
they're doing VUs as i said, and cho's not a priority on that list. it's the same thing as if you said it's fucked up for valve not to have released pit lord by now, even though they have been consistently releasing other heroes and they're eventually getting to him.
even if valve put all of their resources towards releasing all the heroes, i'm sure it'd still take a while for them to get to pit lord, and it's the same with riot and all the visual reworks
[editline]3rd January 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Ragekipz;43406651]They introduced an entire intermediary category to those skins that aren't worth as much as their new 1850 skins. What's their excuse for not lowering the price?[/QUOTE]
money
but you see, you actually brought up a valid point this time, not just "well but i'll actually have to WAIT for something??"
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;43406666]money
but you see, you actually brought up a valid point this time, not just "well but i'll actually have to WAIT for something??"[/QUOTE]
Pretty sure that was his point this entire time tho
[QUOTE=Keychain;43406703]Pretty sure that was his point this entire time tho[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Ragekipz;43406524]Too bad this isn't the future and we have two skins with the same price while one of them is clearly inferior.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;43406666]"well but i'll actually have to WAIT for something??"[/QUOTE]
on an unrelated note, i still don't understand why people get so riled up about skins though. champion or rune prices? yeah, they're actually necessary if you want to play to your full potential. but skins? they don't affect gameplay at all, and you're the judge of whether or not they're worth it. saying riot is greedy because of expensive skins is stupid, they're not a core game mechanic.
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;43406749]on an unrelated note, i still don't understand why people get so riled up about skins though. champion or rune prices? yeah, they're actually necessary if you want to play to your full potential. but skins? they don't affect gameplay at all, and you're the judge of whether or not they're worth it. saying riot is greedy because of expensive skins is stupid, they're not a core game mechanic.[/QUOTE]
If they didn't charge so much, or didn't at all, for champions no one would care for skins, the fact [I]both[/I] are extremely expensive are what prove Riot's greediness.
I would be 100% okay with the current system if they just removed the RP option from purchasing champions, even if they kept the ridiculous IP prices.
[QUOTE=Keychain;43406772]If they didn't charge so much, or didn't at all, for champions no one would care for skins, the fact [I]both[/I] are extremely expensive are what prove Riot's greediness.[/quote]
the fact that the champions are extremely expensive, yes. the fact that skins are expensive, no. something that is completely optional and, like i said, doesn't affect gameplay proves nothing about their greediness.
[quote]I would be 100% okay with the current system if they just removed the RP option from purchasing champions, even if they kept the ridiculous IP prices.[/QUOTE]
what
why
i mean, it'd definitely make riot seem less greedy, but it'd still suck for the players
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;43406857]the fact that the champions are extremely expensive, yes. the fact that skins are expensive, no. something that is completely optional and, like i said, doesn't affect gameplay proves nothing about their greediness.
what
why
i mean, it'd definitely make riot seem less greedy, but it'd still suck for the players[/QUOTE]
If they removed the RP pricing and stopped trying to make a profit off selling champions then they'd have no excuse but to increase general IP gain. That would not suck at all, that'd make me want to play more.
i suppose that makes enough sense, didn't think of it like that. for me, the simpler solution would be to just decrease most champions' ip prices, and if they still wanted to make lots of money, just make the rp prices even lower
Even that would suffice, the champions being as expensive as they are while being such a core mechanic to the game is pretty much the definition of greedy. Why are champions the same price as skins? Like you said, they shouldn't be compared because one doesn't matter and the other is a requirement for the game to work, so why do they cost the same?
[QUOTE=Keychain;43406971]Even that would suffice, the champions being as expensive as they are while being such a core mechanic to the game is pretty much the definition of greedy. Why are champions the same price as skins? Like you said, they shouldn't be compared because one doesn't matter and the other is a requirement for the game to work, so why do they cost the same?[/QUOTE]
They don't cost the same.
You have the option of not buying champions with real money.
[QUOTE=SataniX;43407158]They don't cost the same.
You have the option of not buying champions with real money.[/QUOTE]
They cost the same in RP, you are missing the point.
Having another option doesn't change the fact they cost the same.
[QUOTE=Keychain;43407166]They cost the same in RP, you are missing the point.
Having another option doesn't change the fact they cost the same.[/QUOTE]
You're not really supposed to buy champions with RP though, they're trying to discourage you from buying them with RP while still allowing you to do it.
[QUOTE=joost1120;43407276]they're trying to discourage you from buying them with RP while still allowing you to do it.[/QUOTE]
absurd IP prices on champions = much easier to buy them with RP
how the hell are they discouraging you from buying them with RP
[QUOTE=joost1120;43407276]You're not really supposed to buy champions with RP though, they're trying to discourage you from buying them with RP while still allowing you to do it.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=joost1120;43402081]They're more expensive the first week to stop the champion from being overplayed as much[/QUOTE]
You're not supposed to buy champions with RP, yet they make them more expensive with IP for the first week to decrease the amount of people buying them. That doesn't even make sense.
People who accept it may disagree, but never will get into LoL as long as a large portion of characters have to be bought or unlocked through a ridiculous amount of hours. I think it's wrong, it doesn't work in the flow of the Moba genre, and when it comes down to it it's just pretty damn cheap. I've probably spent $25-$30 overall in Dota just on cosmetic items and tickets and I never had to grind or pay extra money to get the full experience. That's why I have 1440ish games played there. Personally I think it's a better model, though a lot don't feel the same way, but like Dota or not a lot of people choose to play that because they can [I]pretty much[/I] have access to 100+ characters from the get-go.
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