• Valve launch community-created Steam tags; community pulls zero punches
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[QUOTE=Juniez;43901044]I've played gone home and it was ok point being this: [img]http://i.imgur.com/SV920uK.png[/img] is equally mindless as this: [img]http://i.imgur.com/OWqEmak.png[/img] ... just because you guys agree with one side doesn't make it any more acceptable[/QUOTE] But the give diretide was great.
There is a difference between fun immaturity, like making jokes in the tags, actually warning people about bad games, and mean spirited shitting on a game through tags because you don't think it counts as a game. It's amazing that some people can't see the line between having fun and being an asshole?
[QUOTE=Splarg!;43904339]The way it inserts the tag in the title like any other category is GOLD. [img]http://oi57.tinypic.com/whnwyd.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] [img]http://25.media.tumblr.com/ed7927ca8ce6d35593844041a3085d1e/tumblr_n0yjkbdiVK1rnuwgzo1_1280.png[/img] you're telling me
[t]http://i.imgur.com/CL3BqaC.png[/t] it's funny because "choke on it" is something phil fish actually said i don't understand why people protect/defend that racist arrogant prick
[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;43904192]The difference between Greenlight and the tag system is games were greenlit based on [i]ideas[/i] and weren't required to prove they actually worked. The tags are just a way for people to categorise shit based on what they want instead of steams old categories which were worthless. Every fucking games was tagged as Adventure because it's a meaningless term. You may not like these tags but at least they're useful.[/QUOTE] they're not useful when people use it to soapbox their regurgitated opinions of games they probably don't even own [img]http://i.imgur.com/SV920uK.png[/img] this kind of shit belongs in [del]the review section[/del] - [del]your personal blog[/del] /v/ - keep it there [QUOTE=Janus Vesta;43904192]and the system is mostly used by teenagers with nothing but time and the need to somehow enforce their opinions, even if that opinion is [del]"That looks kind of cool."[/del]"gone homo"[/QUOTE] lol [QUOTE=latin_geek;43904369]I still feel like it should at least check that you own a game before letting you tag it This isn't a problem at all, in fact this is one of the better uses of the system[/QUOTE] it is a problem because these are designed to objectively categorize games.... there's an entire review feature on steam where those belong - this isn't "review the game in a clever 1-2 word phrase"
[QUOTE=Diet Kane;43905025][t]http://i.imgur.com/CL3BqaC.png[/t] it's funny because "choke on it" is something phil fish actually said i don't understand why people protect/defend that racist arrogant prick[/QUOTE] Because we are all people with feelings and we all deserve respect!!!!!! UwU
Is fucking guiliable to think this thing will be free of joke tags, buy hey most of the tags are fair and helpful. Im so glad devs can't remove tags because it would be unfair and useless to have tags in the first place.
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;43900572]we're talking about majority opinions, not facts that the majority agrees with. the majority believes that gone home isnt good. the majority thinks that the whatever game you pulled out of your ass was. deal with it. [editline]13th February 2014[/editline] same argument can be used against you: "wahh a game that i personally dont agree with got greenlit wahh" [editline]13th February 2014[/editline] besides i havent really seen enough evidence to support that a game being greenlit means that the majority of steam users liked it; i think it's more about profitability than popularity so your entire analogy is moot[/QUOTE] Imho I'm not sure if majority is the correct word for a lot of these things. The majority generally doesn't care. The question is which vocal minority is stronger in most cases.
[QUOTE=The Calzone;43904991] you're telling me[/QUOTE] The ironic thing about that image you posted is that the translators of Recettear (Carpe Fulgur) hate the term loli and ban anyone who uses it on the dev Steam forums. And now that term is marching right up to their front doors, repeatedly smashing the doorbell.
I hope that in time it will average out and we'll be done with the shit joke tags.
[QUOTE=Brt5470;43905707]I hope that in time it will average out and we'll be done with the shit joke tags.[/QUOTE] Nope.
I honestly hope these don't go away seeing these tags are [B]extremely[/B] accurate despite them being jokes.
Bad, Garbage, Overpriced/overrated and other tags like that are not bad, they're great.
Sad, but true. [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/xMikJiy.png[/IMG]
[QUOTE=laserpanda;43906617]Sad, but true. [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/xMikJiy.png[/IMG][/QUOTE] if any other good devs had got a hold of tribes and made it, it would have been fucking amazing. but NOPE, gotta make a quick buck, fuck the community of our super popular game!
I love when everyone(talking general internet) cries about bad tags. Guess what? It is a beta, there is a reason why Valve released it without great filtering so they can get DATA to make a filter system. At least I assume that they need data for this.
[QUOTE=Tmaxx;43906801]if any other good devs had got a hold of tribes and made it, it would have been fucking amazing. but NOPE, gotta make a quick buck, fuck the community of our super popular game![/QUOTE] Killed by greed is the next tag when you view all :v:
So instead of improving the Steam client Valve adds more stupid shit to it? thanks
So basically the Steam catalogue is ran by /v/ now? That's going to be interesting.
[QUOTE=Mingebox;43904471]But the give diretide was great.[/QUOTE] It's as equally retarded as any dumb bandwagon bullshit on the internet, aka "awful unless I like it." [editline]14th February 2014[/editline] Oh yeah, expect to see a lot of "hey guys this STUPID casual game came out, come on /v/ let's spam the "GAY GAME DONT BUY" tag!!!" threads on the internet now. Great! [editline]14th February 2014[/editline] Actually, it would never work. In theory this is one of the best things ever but it'll never work because the top tags will always be internet memes.
Watch people whine about it enough then valve changes it to limit what kind of tags you can make [QUOTE=milkandcooki;43907356]It's as equally retarded as any dumb bandwagon bullshit on the internet, aka "awful unless I like it".[/QUOTE] Maybe if you're so bothered by something being deemed awful by the masses you don't really like it at all??
[QUOTE=mchapra;43907378]Watch people whine about it enough then valve changes it to limit what kind of tags you can make[/QUOTE] They should, really. How does "not a game" explain what Gone Home is to somebody who's browsing the store? Why should users be allowed to put really misleading tags like "post-apocalyptic" on a barbie game? Sure, it's a funny joke, but [I]this is a game store where people buy things, not a forum.[/I] They need to moderate the circelejerky meme tags and let the actual tags stay up.
[QUOTE=milkandcooki;43907395]They should, really. How does "not a game" explain what Gone Home is to somebody who's browsing the store? Why should users be allowed to put really misleading tags like "post-apocalyptic" on a barbie game? Sure, it's a funny joke, but [I]this is a game store where people buy things, not a forum.[/I] They need to moderate the circelejerky meme tags and let the actual tags stay up.[/QUOTE] The joke tags can be annoying but there are bad tags applied to genuinely bad games. I'm not gonna go into what is or isn't a game here but I am pretty sure stuff like that is more descriptive for games like gone home or 9.03m regardless of their quality. It's not really a critique on the quality of the game, it's a critique of the really lacking "game" part of those games.
[QUOTE=milkandcooki;43907356]It's as equally retarded as any dumb bandwagon bullshit on the internet, aka "awful unless I like it." [editline]14th February 2014[/editline] Oh yeah, expect to see a lot of "hey guys this STUPID casual game came out, come on /v/ let's spam the "GAY GAME DONT BUY" tag!!!" threads on the internet now. Great! [editline]14th February 2014[/editline] Actually, it would never work. In theory this is one of the best things ever but it'll never work because the top tags will always be internet memes.[/QUOTE] Other than a few notable examples which you're obviously quite upset about, everything seems to be working well. Obviously broken games are labelled openly, the genre tags fit better and aren't outvoted easily, and the joke tags are intermixed with actual tags so either you just ignore the Nanomachines tag or it's quite obvious that Borderlands 2 is not a medieval game. A bunch of in-jokes are just a side-effect of a healthy community. [QUOTE=mchapra;43907378]Maybe if you're so bothered by something being deemed awful by the masses you don't really like it at all??[/QUOTE] No it's ok, it's perfectly normal. They berate your taste so they question your judgement in choosing favourites and undermine your ability to choose well. It's just insecurity rather than if he actually likes it. [QUOTE=milkandcooki;43907395]They should, really. How does "not a game" explain what Gone Home is to somebody who's browsing the store? Why should users be allowed to put really misleading tags like "post-apocalyptic" on a barbie game? Sure, it's a funny joke, but [I]this is a game store where people buy things, not a forum.[/I] They need to moderate the circelejerky meme tags and let the actual tags stay up.[/QUOTE] It suits it perfectly. Gone Home doesn't have a lot of mechanics and as other tags say is a Walking Simulator, so the other tags of Atmospheric, Story-rich and Exploration let you know it's a more relaxed exploration game closer to a Visual Novel than an Arcade game. Just because people think it's not a game doesn't necessarily mean it's bad, just that it's different. The bad and overrated tags on the other hand show it's not a particularly popular title among steam users, so consider if it's for you rather than just looking at the Metacritic score.
[QUOTE=mchapra;43907433]The joke tags can be annoying but there are bad tags applied to genuinely bad games. I'm not gonna go into what is or isn't a game here but I am pretty sure stuff like that is more descriptive for games like gone home or 9.03m regardless of their quality. It's not really a critique on the quality of the game, it's a critique of the really lacking "game" part of those games.[/QUOTE] Why doesn't The Walking Dead or any telltale games have the "not a game" tag, then? Gone Home is on a game distribution service, it has a metascore, and it was developed by game developers, so "not a game" isn't really deserving of the top tag, nor is it valid critique. [editline]14th February 2014[/editline] My main point is that bandwagony in-jokes, memes, and fads shouldn't be put on a game's store page, because most of them don't reflect the quality of the game. It's a store, I want to know what I'm buying, not what topical internet jokes are tied to this game. For example, "Every animal drops chicken breast" and "rocks" don't tell me what the fuck Rust is. "Bad community," "Doesn't run well," "Crafting" do, though. [editline]14th February 2014[/editline] Like, holy shit, "#YOLO" is a tag for DayZ. Keep "walking simulator," but get rid of that garbage. This shit [I]won't[/I] work if it's left completely unmoderated.
[QUOTE=Devodiere;43907461]No it's ok, it's perfectly normal. They berate your taste so they question your judgement in choosing favourites and undermine your ability to choose well. It's just insecurity rather than if he actually likes it.[/QUOTE] My idea of "liking" something is taking in it's flaws and saying "hey, I can still dig it". Maybe that's just me but when you really like something you know the flaws and respond to criticism with "why do you think it's bad" and respond with "Well I enjoy it because x, y, z." People really need to stop getting bothered by stuff like this, there will always be people who disagree and be dicks when they disagree. [QUOTE=milkandcooki;43907465]Why doesn't The Walking Dead or any telltale games have the "not a game" tag, then? Gone Home is on a game distribution service, it has a metascore, and it was developed by game developers, so "not a game" isn't really deserving of the top tag, nor is it valid critique. [editline]14th February 2014[/editline] My main point is that bandwagony in-jokes, memes, and fads shouldn't be put on a game's store page, because most of them don't reflect the quality of the game. It's a store, I want to know what I'm buying, not what topical internet jokes are tied to this game. For example, "Every animal drops chicken breast" and "rocks" don't tell me what the fuck Rust is. "Bad community," "Doesn't run well," "Crafting" do, though. [editline]14th February 2014[/editline] Like, holy shit, "#YOLO" is a tag for DayZ. Keep "walking simulator," but get rid of that garbage. This shit [I]won't[/I] work if it's left completely unmoderated.[/QUOTE] The Walking Dead has multiple outcomes and lose conditions though. It has you playing a much more active role in the progression of the game. The other part I agree, but there's no way to moderate it without severely limiting user input from the equation so I'd rather not have it. I like to think this will even out once more people start tagging.
[QUOTE=milkandcooki;43907465]Why doesn't The Walking Dead or any telltale games have the "not a game" tag, then? Gone Home is on a game distribution service, it has a metascore, and it was developed by game developers, so "not a game" isn't really deserving of the top tag, nor is it valid critique. [editline]14th February 2014[/editline] My main point is that bandwagony in-jokes, memes, and fads shouldn't be put on a game's store page, because most of them don't reflect the quality of the game. It's a store, I want to know what I'm buying, not what topical internet jokes are tied to this game. For example, "Every animal drops chicken breast" and "rocks" don't tell me what the fuck Rust is. "Bad community," "Doesn't run well," "Crafting" do, though.[/QUOTE] Rust also has Survival, Multiplayer, Sandbox and FPS in the top tags, do you lack a mental filter and if something abnormal is thrown in you can't figure it out? Leave a few random ones in because anyone sensible can see the proper tags from the jokes. Telltale games are bordering the line as everyone is aware and I'm honestly surprised the tags aren't in there somewhere. But we could have this kind of discussion all day and it doesn't answer the question of why do you care so much? It doesn't matter if people don't classify it as a game, do you like it and do you think it's an interesting concept that other people would like?[QUOTE=mchapra;43907486]My idea of "liking" something is taking in it's flaws and saying "hey, I can still dig it". Maybe that's just me but when you really like something you know the flaws and respond to criticism with "why do you think it's bad" and respond with "Well I enjoy it because x, y, z." People really need to stop getting bothered by stuff like this, there will always be people who disagree and be dicks when they disagree.[/QUOTE] Just as you accept a game with all it's flaws, you accept people the same way. If something is a normal reaction that a lot of people have, even if it's not ideal then it is understandable and reasonable, as no-one's perfect.
[QUOTE=Devodiere;43907519]Rust also has Survival, Multiplayer, Sandbox and FPS in the top tags, do you lack a mental filter and if something abnormal is thrown in you can't figure it out? Leave a few random ones in because anyone sensible can see the proper tags from the jokes.[/QUOTE] No, I'm just not jumping to conclusions, because not everybody who uses Steam is like us. Not everybody understands these in-jokes. Saying that "anyone sensible can see the proper takes from the jokes" is kind of a stretch, tbh.
Facing the combined voice of the unwashed masses and discovering you aren't shouting in the same key they are can be humbling. I think the tag thing is good for exactly the reason Valve states: [QUOTE=the Steam Tag FAQ]Tags can be a good indicator of when there is a mismatch between how you perceive your game, and how your game is perceived by customers.[/QUOTE] Someone needs to tell folks that we don't need another pac-man/slenderman clone. Especially when reviewers are pandering to the developer. The internet is all too willing to oblige in it's own caustic and immature way. I expect they will implement some method of normalizing it all in the future to prevent troll abuse. If you click the links for some of the example tags you will see things are already being cleaned up. [QUOTE=the article]Tags like [URL="http://store.steampowered.com/tag/en/Garbage/"]Garbage[/URL] and [URL="http://store.steampowered.com/tag/en/Feminist/"]Feminist[/URL] suggest users are already using the tag system in ways Valve haven’t anticipated.[/QUOTE] Those 2 are already showing an "Invalid Tag" error page.
[QUOTE=milkandcooki;43907564]No, I'm just not jumping to conclusions, because not everybody who uses Steam is like us. Not everybody understands these in-jokes. Saying that "anyone sensible can see the proper takes from the jokes" is kind of a stretch, tbh.[/QUOTE] Not everyone is an expert, of course, but how will they actually react? If you don't know what sandbox or FPS mean then how is that different from it being labelled rocks or #YOLO? If it's all just a collection of meaningless words then you look for what you know, and if that fails then you probably won't enjoy it anyway. People putting "Nanomachines, son" on Bus Simulator 2012 is either a joke or completely meaningless, and a simple check of other tags should tell far more if you're actually interested. They're completely harmless.
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