• Xbox 360 has 'a lot more than two years' left, MS boss says
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[QUOTE=The golden;36253958]It's 7 fucking years old. Your game developers are already bitching at you for the massively outdated hardware, as is your customer base. Please remove your head from your anus, Phil Spencer.[/QUOTE] Then here's a good question: Why do developers still continue to make games on console then? It's already been stated, and proven, numerous times that PC is GENERATION[highlight]S[/highlight] ahead of consoles. They've had access to the hardware for [I]years[/I] and they refuse to make develop anything on PC.
[QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;36266680]Then here's a good question: Why do developers still continue to make games on console then? It's already been stated, and proven, numerous times that PC is GENERATION[highlight]S[/highlight] ahead of consoles. They've had access to the hardware for [I]years[/I] and they refuse to make develop anything on PC.[/QUOTE] Easy answer. The console market is worth a shit ton lot more than the PC market. Many more consumers. [editline]9th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=_Axel;36260497]Yeah, but the reason most games are unoptimized on PC is because they are direct ports of console versions.[/QUOTE] Any game on the Euphoria engine is a major culprit of this Skyrim? Run on max settings. L.A. Noire? I even have to notch down the resolution, on my fairly decent machine.
[QUOTE=LegndNikko;36266749]Easy answer. The console market is worth a shit ton lot more than the PC market. Many more consumers.[/QUOTE] They could still develop on PC and utilize a lot out of it and then port it over to consoles and tone down the graphics.
[QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;36266820]They could still develop on PC and utilize a lot out of it and then port it over to consoles and tone down the graphics.[/QUOTE] It's easier and cheaper to develop for consoes and then port to the PC. In case you haven't noticed most developers are owned by big publishers, and most publishers see the bottom line first.
[QUOTE=bloodshotlol;36263918]xbox 360 graphics card is basically a gtx 7800 [img]http://img.tomshardware.com/us/2005/12/02/vga_charts_viii/gf_7800gtx.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] The 360 uses Ati graphics.
[QUOTE=LegndNikko;36266749] L.A. Noire? I even have to notch down the resolution, on my fairly decent machine.[/QUOTE] That's just part of the physics engine. And I'm still waiting for rockstar to make a decent port. I can't even run LA noire on my much higher than average machine.
[QUOTE=BBgamer720;36261222]As Microsoft have already stated, the Xbox 360 is more and more becoming a 'media centre'. I think that once the Xbox 720 is out, the 360 will serve more of a media purpose than a gaming purpose. I really dig Metro with apps like YouTube, 4OD, BBC iPlayer and Vevo, it looks sexy and it's also intuitive. The Xbox 360 still has a long life-span, just not in the world of gaming.[/QUOTE] I just love how most of those media centre apps aren't even available where I live, if that's what they would do then xbox would become useless in quite a few countries.
[QUOTE=bloodshotlol;36263918]xbox 360 graphics card is basically a gtx 7800 [img]http://img.tomshardware.com/us/2005/12/02/vga_charts_viii/gf_7800gtx.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] PS3 not 360. As previously said it has ATi card named ATi Xenos.
At this rate, my 360 may actually die before the next one is released. I was wondering how ms was gonna sell their $99 xbox. I think I have my answer.
[QUOTE=Big Blue;36266210]ITT appreciation of the superior platform, mocking of the inferior platform if you're looking at it from the fanboy perspective you're looking at it in the wrong way xbox 360 is literally a lesser platform, and the fact that there's this thing called [B]competition[/B] between products makes microsoft stupid for not wanting to change their outdated, and obviously inferior, system[/QUOTE] I agree that the pc is a superior plattform, but take this point into account. When you buy a console for 200$, you have a pretty capable gaming plattform which allows you to play games somewhat decent. You only need a tv/screen which is common in every household. When you buy a pc for 200$, you are nowhere near running a newer game with somewhat decent performance. You need to spent more to be fully capable of playing a game. Then you also need additonial stuff like different softwares. So you compare a plattform which has a superior quality but also a far superior price, it's not really a fair comparison. Yes, pc is definitly the way to go, but there's a huge gap between a simple xbox and like a high-end rig. It's like comparing a motorbike to a bycicle, both get you to a point. But the quality and price differs greatly. But all in all, it's a matter of preference, a somewhat casual gamer is happy with an xbox. If you want to get more involved you buy a gaming rig on a long run.
[QUOTE=LEETNOOB;36260790][img_thumb]http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af150/The_FalconO6/CurrentLogicalPCBuyingGuide/Guide.png[/img_thumb] All the knowledge you need when building a gaming PC. Click to enlarge.[/QUOTE] Even two levels [I]below[/I] entry level isn't using 5400 RPM harddrives. Why people still consider 5400 RPM harddrives an option is beyond me. It affects the whole fucking system to pick ancient harddrives. I didn't even have below 7200 RPM four years ago.
[QUOTE=junker|154;36270058]I agree that the pc is a superior plattform, but take this point into account. When you buy a console for 200$, you have a pretty capable gaming plattform which allows you to play games somewhat decent. You only need a tv/screen which is common in every household. When you buy a pc for 200$, you are nowhere near running a newer game with somewhat decent performance. You need to spent more to be fully capable of playing a game. Then you also need additonial stuff like different softwares. So you compare a plattform which has a superior quality but also a far superior price, it's not really a fair comparison. Yes, pc is definitly the way to go, but there's a huge gap between a simple xbox and like a high-end rig. It's like comparing a motorbike to a bycicle, both get you to a point. But the quality and price differs greatly. But all in all, it's a matter of preference, a somewhat casual gamer is happy with an xbox. If you want to get more involved you buy a gaming rig on a long run.[/QUOTE] How much did the PS3 retail for on launch day? $400? right? You can very easily build a nice gaming machine for that price, not to mention all the savings you will make on games through steam.
who cares about consoles vs. pc in 2012 they all run the same games
[QUOTE=backfoggen;36270980]who cares about consoles vs. pc in 2012 they all run the same games[/QUOTE] One is comfortable to play games on, the others are awkward and lack features.
[QUOTE=inconspicious;36270960]How much did the PS3 retail for on launch day? $400? right? You can very easily build a nice gaming machine for that price, not to mention all the savings you will make on games through steam.[/QUOTE] Yeah, but I am not a guy who buys stuff on release because of the ridiculous high price tags. When Nvidia graphics cards are new or CPUs, they are also expensive as hell. I still remember when RAM was actually somewhat expensive. But now it is thrown in your face for nothing. Steam offers a lot of great deals, but you can also get some cheap consoles games. Although Steam has a definite advantage. [editline]10th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=inconspicious;36271051]One is comfortable to play games on, the others are awkward and lack features.[/QUOTE] Lacking features? Most games have the same features/mechanics on consoles. Awkward might also be a bit exagerated? I can 360 pretty comfortable if you ask me :v:
[QUOTE=inconspicious;36271051]One is comfortable to play games on, the others are awkward and lack features.[/QUOTE] you mean the pc when talking about awkward to play on right? also i never noticed any lack of features in console versions ever.
[QUOTE=inconspicious;36270960]How much did the PS3 retail for on launch day? $400? right? You can very easily build a nice gaming machine for that price, not to mention all the savings you will make on games through steam.[/QUOTE] It went for €600 here...
ps3 was $599 and sony still made losses with every console sold cause of blu-ray lmao
[QUOTE=junker|154;36271103]Lacking features? Most games have the same features/mechanics on consoles. Awkward might also be a bit exagerated? I can 360 pretty comfortable if you ask me :v:[/QUOTE] Analogue sticks are inferior in every way. A mouse cursor moves with your hand, your character moves in direct response to you. With a analogue stick you push your stick in a direction and wait a while for your character to turn round at a set rate, its crap. I've yet to see a console with a proper thread based IM system, instead you have the equivalent of email which is terrible. Mods are practically unheard of, if a game looks crap on a console its like that for all eternity, while on the PC it can be fixed and updated by 3rd party developers over time. PC is simply better for gaming in every way, and all of that "CONSOLES ARE SOSHELL!" crap is pointless. What modern game actually has split-screen? the Wii is the only one I can think of which works well in that way.
[QUOTE=inconspicious;36271418]Analogue sticks are inferior in every way. A mouse cursor moves with your hand, your character moves in direct response to you. With a analogue stick you push your stick in a direction and wait a while for your character to turn round at a set rate, its crap. I've yet to see a console with a proper thread based IM system, instead you have the equivalent of email which is terrible. Mods are practically unheard of, if a game looks crap on a console its like that for all eternity, while on the PC it can be fixed and updated by 3rd party developers over time. PC is simply better for gaming in every way, and all of that "CONSOLES ARE SOSHELL!" crap is pointless. What modern game actually has split-screen? the Wii is the only one I can think of which works well in that way.[/QUOTE]not gaming at all is better for gaming
[QUOTE=inconspicious;36271418]Analogue sticks are inferior in every way. A mouse cursor moves with your hand, your character moves in direct response to you. With a analogue stick you push your stick in a direction and wait a while for your character to turn round at a set rate, its crap. I've yet to see a console with a proper thread based IM system, instead you have the equivalent of email which is terrible. Mods are practically unheard of, if a game looks crap on a console its like that for all eternity, while on the PC it can be fixed and updated by 3rd party developers over time. PC is simply better for gaming in every way, and all of that "CONSOLES ARE SOSHELL!" crap is pointless. What modern game actually has split-screen? the Wii is the only one I can think of which works well in that way.[/QUOTE] Do not start that pointless discussion about analogue sticks, they have advantages where the pc fails and vice versa. I generelly play shooters on the pc, but some action games play so smoothly with a controller. I also think that analogue stick allow better precision in some games. Not in shooter but in third person action plattformer. Also, xbox for instance offers a party system which is neat, you can join a party with friends and talk with them and always be on the same team and game. Yeah the messages are really unflexible, but the system is more bound to actually using voices. Mods are really a downside, but for some people that is no biggy, also there aren't many games today that offer mod support. I can only think of Skyrim and Stalker now. Splitscreen is really a underrated way of playing, I had more fun playing splitscreen with few pals while drinking some beers and generelly chilling out. Pc is somewhat not so social. Besides both plattforms are ambivalent and have strong and weak points, generalizing like "PC is simply better for gaming in every way" is abysmal.
[QUOTE=junker|154;36271456]Do not start that pointless discussion about analogue sticks, they have advantages where the pc fails and vice versa. I generelly play shooters on the pc, but some action games play so smoothly with a controller. I also think that analogue stick allow better precision in some games. Not in shooter but in third person action plattformer.[/QUOTE] How exactly? By nature it is inaccurate, so much so many games have aim snapping to make up for it. [QUOTE=junker|154;36271456] Also, xbox for instance offers a party system which is neat, you can join a party with friends and talk with them and always be on the same team and game. Yeah the messages are really unflexible, but the system is more bound to actually using voices.[/QUOTE] Which unfortunately isn't everyone preference. [QUOTE=junker|154;36271456] Mods are really a downside, but for some people that is no biggy, also there aren't many games today that offer mod support. I can only think of Skyrim and Stalker now. Splitscreen is really a underrated way of playing, I had more fun playing splitscreen with few pals while drinking some beers and generelly chilling out. Pc is somewhat not so social.[/QUOTE] That's what LAN parties are for, I mean most of the good games are the old ones, so I can dump them on my laptop and do exactly the same thing with my friends. [QUOTE=junker|154;36271456] Besides both plattforms are ambivalent and have strong and weak points, generalizing like "PC is simply better for gaming in every way" is abysmal.[/QUOTE] It has far more pluses, its open nature makes it more difficult to be fucked over by companies like EA, you have an incredible amount of choice. It has the largest collection of games out of any platform too, as well as superb backwards compatibility with older PC software, and even old console games.
[QUOTE=inconspicious;36271558]How exactly? By nature it is inaccurate, so much so many games have aim snapping to make up for it. Which unfortunately isn't everyone preference. That's what LAN parties are for, I mean most of the good games are the old ones, so I can dump them on my laptop and do exactly the same thing with my friends. It has far more pluses, its open nature makes it more difficult to be fucked over by companies like EA, you have an incredible amount of choice. It has the largest collection of games out of any platform too, as well as superb backwards compatibility with older PC software, and even old console games.[/QUOTE] For instance in Dark Souls, pacing is really important. By slightly pushing the analog stick forward, you simply walk very slowly, when you push it a bit more, you slowly run and so on. In racing games, you can do smoother turns by pushing the analogue sticks. Plattforming is also easier, at least for me. With WASD you can only push one button, there are not different ways of pushing it. Well, I mostly use voice to talk to my buddies. So I am fine with it, it is the easiest thing to do. Messages seem a bit unnecessary. Although only my opinion. Lan Parties still have another feel to them than being with friends and playing on splitscreen. Yeah, it has more pluses, but the cost also increases of actually having a decent rig. It is much more versatile in any way. Simply considering that an xbox doesn't even have a browser. I just want to make a point that consoles are not utter shite like a lot of people claim. And that the pc is a great plattform, but also far more expensive.
[QUOTE=junker|154;36271604]For instance in Dark Souls, pacing is really important. By slightly pushing the analog stick forward, you simply walk very slowly, when you push it a bit more, you slowly run and so on. In racing games, you can do smoother turns by pushing the analogue sticks. Plattforming is also easier, at least for me. With WASD you can only push one button, there are not different ways of pushing it.[/QUOTE] Many pc games use modifier keys to control movement speed and the Dark Souls port can too
[QUOTE=junker|154;36271604]For instance in Dark Souls, pacing is really important. By slightly pushing the analog stick forward, you simply walk very slowly, when you push it a bit more, you slowly run and so on. In racing games, you can do smoother turns by pushing the analogue sticks. Plattforming is also easier, at least for me. With WASD you can only push one button, there are not different ways of pushing it. Well, I mostly use voice to talk to my buddies. So I am fine with it, it is the easiest thing to do. Messages seem a bit unnecessary. Although only my opinion. Lan Parties still have another feel to them than being with friends and playing on splitscreen. Yeah, it has more pluses, but the cost also increases of actually having a decent rig. It is much more versatile in any way. Simply considering that an xbox doesn't even have a browser. I just want to make a point that consoles are not utter shite like a lot of people claim. And that the pc is a great plattform, but also far more expensive.[/QUOTE] You heard of this thing called a gamepad? I have. Because they aren't exclusive to consoles.
Yeah, but a controller feels more intuitive. But this is just opinion. I always used my pc to play games and I really liked it, now I own the 360 for 2 years and I really like how some games are handled with controllers. Especially hack/slash RPG games or other third person games. It also adds a bit to the feeling for a game. [editline]10th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Profanwolf;36271832]You heard of this thing called a gamepad? I have.[/QUOTE] That is great, I like when people use Gamepads. But inconspicous stated that mouse and keyboard is superior in any way. I was just adressing this to hist post. I like both a lot. But some games are simply better to play with a controller. Never said that you could only choose one. There is also a large ignorance for gamepads on the side of "PC gamers", it is to much consolized and such (often stated by people). But honestly that is pretty stupid.
[QUOTE=backfoggen;36271270] also i never noticed any lack of features in console versions ever.[/QUOTE] Could be because the features aren't there.
[QUOTE=junker|154;36271852]But inconspicous stated that mouse and keyboard is superior in any way. I was just adressing this to hist post. I like both a lot. But some games are simply better to play with a controller.[/QUOTE] if you were good with a mouse you'd think otherwise
Assassins creed just isn't the same with a mouse and keyboard.
If the 360 lasts for a decade I will record a video of myself burning money.
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