If Linux is the future then the future is awful or How To Install Linux Alongside Windows
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its been a known bug since the day 12.10 came out and it hasn't been fixed.
[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;39633874]I installed Ubuntu to get the tf2 item, and I have loads of Linux experience and Ubuntu is a piece of shit.
Anyone tried installing the Nvidia driver on 12.10? It literally breaks your desktop unless you do some command line bullshit.[/QUOTE]
Additional Hardware Drivers pane, click install.
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Because that was so hard.
[QUOTE=mobrockers2;39632700]What are you on about? You're installing an operating system, of course you should research what you're installing before you do so.. You're not installing a my little pony game or something where nothing can go wrong. You're messing with partitions, current OS's and really really should research before you begin.[/QUOTE]
Yes, but with the problem I mentioned in a previous post about the the nvidia drivers borking the desktop is something you can't expect the average user to deal with. it should just work. the workaround is pretty simple, but it would have taken 10 seconds of developer time to just fix the damn bug rather than pretending it doesn't exist for 6 months.
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[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;39633884]Additional Hardware Drivers pane, click install.
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Because that was so hard.[/QUOTE]
That's what I did.
[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;39633917]Yes, but with the problem I mentioned in a previous post about the the nvidia drivers borking the desktop is something you can't expect the average user to deal with. it should just work. the workaround is pretty simple, but it would have taken 10 seconds of developer time to just fix the damn bug rather than pretending it doesn't exist for 6 months.
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That's what I did.[/QUOTE]
It should be fixed, Is it on the bug tracker anywhere?
The problem was that it wouldn't install the kernel-headers package which it requires so the nvidia driver can build the kernel module.
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[QUOTE=danharibo;39633924]It should be fixed, Is it on the bug tracker anywhere?[/QUOTE]
[URL]https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-updates/+bug/1068341[/URL]
this comment sums it up nicely
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I can't believe Canonical is going to allow this bug to ship on the latest Ubuntu release available when steam goes live.
I know you have a problem anticipating how your actions will be percieved in the blogosphere, and are regularly caught with your foot in your mouths, but let me give you a prediciton:
This bug is going to make Ubuntu a laughing stock.
Hundreds perhaps thousands of brand new users will install Ubuntu for the first time to try steam out when the Valve announce Steam. And their first experience will be :
"OK guys,
Switch to a terminal (Ctrl-Alt-F1).
Login as your username.
Install linux source (sudo apt-get install linux-source) and headers (sudo apt-get install linux-headers-3.5.0-17-generic)....."
You do have a P.R. department, don't you?
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[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;39633925]The problem was that it wouldn't install the kernel-headers package which it requires so the nvidia driver can build the kernel module.
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[URL]https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-updates/+bug/1068341[/URL]
this comment sums it up nicely[/QUOTE]
I'm not going to bother defending Ubuntu; took them months to fix a simple Bluetooth persistence bug. There is a greener pasture for Linux noobs and its Mint, Linux Mint.
[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;39633925]The problem was that it wouldn't install the kernel-headers package which it requires so the nvidia driver can build the kernel module.
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[URL]https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-updates/+bug/1068341[/URL]
this comment sums it up nicely[/QUOTE]
haha oh lord, that's golden.
[QUOTE=ijyt;39632739]Or you could stick to Windows, get out of your anti-capitalism edgy phase, and enjoy something that just fucking works.[/QUOTE]
"fuck the GNU movement lol ^^"
[QUOTE=ijyt;39632739]Or you could stick to Windows, get out of your anti-capitalism edgy phase, and enjoy something that just fucking works.[/QUOTE]
worst possible answer
Aaaand, that's why I use mint
[QUOTE=Tobba;39633404]Though in some way hes right, Steam for Linux being only for Ubuntu (without some horrible hacking) is pretty retarded, specially as Ubuntu is the worst Linux distro right now
And its not like Linux is ever gonna become mainstream with how its going right now[/QUOTE]
It works on Linux, my brother has it for Arch Linux, I have it for Linux Mint. It works fine.
[QUOTE=Xonax;39634193]It works on Linux, my brother has it for Arch Linux, I have it for Linux Mint. It works fine.[/QUOTE]
The proper term is "officially supported", but to a lot of people that means "it doesn't work"
[QUOTE=garry;39632211]I agree. Ubuntu have made some terrible choices.[/QUOTE]
Yeah okay the DE that they've developed is pretty horrid, but behind the scenes Ubuntu is a very stable distro. I really don't understand why people dislike it.
And anyway, people can easily just use a different flavor of Ubuntu e.g. Xubuntu.
[QUOTE=nehkz;39634421]Yeah okay the DE that they've developed is pretty horrid but behind the scenes Ubuntu is a very stable distro. I really don't understand why people dislike it.
And anyway, people can easily just use a different flavor of Ubuntu e.g. Xubuntu.[/QUOTE]
Or if you really want to, you can still remove Unity manually. Remove it so hard that its dependencies and config files are gone too.
[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;39633432]Ubuntu is based on debian, and is definitely a lot harder to set up than ubuntu is...
I would reccomend either a ubuntu derivative like Mint or K/Xubuntu, or Crunchbang, which works quite nicely.
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I know Ubuntu is based on Debian... But it's derivatives are pretty decent. Oh, and Ubuntu is literally only good if you need an OS installed in 10 minutes or less, or you're bad at computers/can't be bothered.
[QUOTE=ijyt;39632739]Or you could stick to Windows, get out of your anti-capitalism edgy phase, and enjoy something that just fucking works.[/QUOTE]
iunno man Windows is mad by the System man. I can't have the system controlling me, I control the system!
More people need to use Fedora, I enjoy it a lot more than most of the alternatives.
[QUOTE=SEKCobra;39634847]More people need to use Fedora, I enjoy it a lot more than most of the alternatives.[/QUOTE]
Was not aware anyone even used Fedora anymore.
[QUOTE=TheCreeper;39634977]Was not aware anyone even used Fedora anymore.[/QUOTE]
It is still popular.
[QUOTE=danharibo;39635004]It is still popular.[/QUOTE]
I have an old Fedora Red Hat linux server in my garage.
My dad I think uses CentOS now but he was diehard Fedora for the longest time. Last redhat OS I really liked was Red Hat 7. Then I dicked around for a bit, found Ubuntu, clicked with it, and have been using it since 8.04 launched.
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What killed it for him was Gnome 3.
[I]"Who do I need to fuck to get standard font size and panel options, instead of having to wade through this kind of "unsupported and random extensions that look ugly as hell and break randomly" crap?"
-Linus Torvalds[/I]
For some reason Ubuntu is really locked down now, of course Linux is still open and you can get round things, but you used to be able to customize a few things without having to tap into the terminal or whatever, now I can't even move that goddamn side dock. It makes more sense for the dock to be on the top or bottom of the screen, because the monitor is longer width ways so it can display more icons. A side dock is only better for portrait
[QUOTE=djjkxbox360;39635303]For some reason Ubuntu is really locked down now, of course Linux is still open and you can get round things, but you used to be able to customize a few things without having to tap into the terminal or whatever, now I can't even move that goddamn side dock. It makes more sense for the dock to be on the top or bottom of the screen, because the monitor is longer width ways so it can display more icons. A side dock is only better for portrait[/QUOTE]
I was able to ditch Unity pretty easily, but I can't for the life of me figure out how to convince it to let me customize the bars on the top and bottom. I had a bitchin interface setup that only used the top bar, and 12.04 fucked it up.
Am I the only one who managed to install Ubuntu with basically no problems? I put it on an Asus netbook that has absolutely no support for linux in terms of drivers and software and it all worked fine. Even with Unity it's a bit snappier than Windows 7 as well.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;39635660]Am I the only one who managed to install Ubuntu with basically no problems? I put it on an Asus netbook that has absolutely no support for linux in terms of drivers and software and it all worked fine. Even with Unity it's a bit snappier than Windows 7 as well.[/QUOTE]
No, it's fine for most people. It's just that you only really hear people complain if it didn't work for them.
I didn't have a problem using Xubuntu (xfce is the last wm I can trust not suffering from 'change for the sake of changing' nowadays), then installing Steam, then symlinking the steamapps directory so I don't have to make a huge linux partition or redownload 20gb of Source game data. Saved a crapload of time.
What I [B]did have a problem[/B] is poor ATI driver support. On one edge of the camp you've got a version of fglrx that doesn't support the sRGB extension, and on the other, "Free Software" edge with Gallium3D you've got a driver that doesn't support S3TC (aka those compressed DXT1/3/4/5 textures). Factor in support deprecation for the R700 and earlier series of RadeonHD and you've got a lock-in for the HD5xxx to be supported at the minimum.
Doesn't that just suck? :v:
[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;39635609]I was able to ditch Unity pretty easily, but I can't for the life of me figure out how to convince it to let me customize the bars on the top and bottom. I had a bitchin interface setup that only used the top bar, and 12.04 fucked it up.[/QUOTE]
You have to install the Gnome 3 fork, Cinnamon, for all of the customizability of old.
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[QUOTE=leilei;39635701]I didn't have a problem using Xubuntu, then installing Steam, then symlinking the steamapps directory so I don't have to make a huge linux partition or redownload 20gb of Source game data. Saved a crapload of time.
What I [B]did have a problem[/B] is poor ATI driver support. On one edge of the camp you've got a version of fglrx that doesn't support the sRGB extension, and on the other, "Free Software" edge with Gallium3D you've got a driver that doesn't support S3TC (aka those compressed DXT1/3/4/5 textures). Factor in support deprecation for the R700 and earlier series of RadeonHD and you've got a lock-in for the HD5xxx to be supported at the minimum.
Doesn't that just suck? :v:[/QUOTE]
The free driver should support S3TC, you just have to install the library for it. (libtxc-dxtn iirc)
[QUOTE=danharibo;39635706]You have to install the Gnome 2 fork, Cinnamon, for all of the customizability of old.[/QUOTE]
Correction, The Gnome 2 fork is MATE. Cinnamon is a Gnome 3 fork (and my personal favorite).
[QUOTE=ASmellyOgre;39635721]Correction, The Gnome 2 fork is MATE. Cinnamon is a Gnome 3 fork (and my personal favorite).[/QUOTE]
Oh is it? I'll update my post. (KDE 4 lyf)
[QUOTE=danharibo;39635706]You have to install the Gnome 3 fork, Cinnamon, for all of the customizability of old.[/QUOTE]
Well I know what [I]I'm[/I] doing when I get home.
Hey, I'm wanting to get back into Linux stuffs again. I already know the common programs I use daily work very well on Linux and I see a few bad comments about Fedora.
I have a pretty good experience with maintaining and working with .rpm distros, my last being Fedora (KDE flavored). What would be a good distro that has a lot of support, is stable, and works with .RPMs?
I have never been a big fan of Ubuntu and I hate Gnome 3.
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