If Linux is the future then the future is awful or How To Install Linux Alongside Windows
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Ubuntu 12.10 is shit
[QUOTE=nagachief;39636053]Hey, I'm wanting to get back into Linux stuffs again. I already know the common programs I use daily work very well on Linux and I see a few bad comments about Fedora.
I have a pretty good experience with maintaining and working with .rpm distros, my last being Fedora (KDE flavored). What would be a good distro that has a lot of support, is stable, and works with .RPMs?
I have never been a big fan of Ubuntu and I hate Gnome 3.[/QUOTE]
Fedora is ok if you're used to it, It's probably the biggest distro that uses RPMs. OpenSUSE is the only other that comes to mind.
[QUOTE=nagachief;39636053]Hey, I'm wanting to get back into Linux stuffs again. I already know the common programs I use daily work very well on Linux and I see a few bad comments about Fedora.
I have a pretty good experience with maintaining and working with .rpm distros, my last being Fedora (KDE flavored). What would be a good distro that has a lot of support, is stable, and works with .RPMs?
I have never been a big fan of Ubuntu and I hate Gnome 3.[/QUOTE]
I recommend Arch Linux. Doesn't have RPM, needs a lot of configuring the first time, but in the end you have something that is just the way you want it. And the package manager has EVERYTHING. The latest version. Always.
I'm pretty sure this is a sarcastic article. Basically, get over it.
[QUOTE=WeltEnSTurm;39636104]I recommend Arch Linux. Doesn't have RPM, needs a lot of configuring the first time, but in the end you have something that is just the way you want it. And the package manager has EVERYTHING. The latest version. Always.[/QUOTE]
If that is what you are looking for, some people want a system that works from the get-go so they might want to test the water with something simpler.
[QUOTE=danharibo;39636117]If that is what you are looking for, some people want a system that works from the get-go so they might want to test the water with something simpler.[/QUOTE]
Like an ubuntu derivative! Something without Unity/Gnom3
Linux Mint maybe? Was my first distro, I think it got quite buggy when they jumped to GTK3 though.
[QUOTE=WeltEnSTurm;39636104]I recommend Arch Linux. Doesn't have RPM, needs a lot of configuring the first time, but in the end you have something that is just the way you want it. And the package manager has EVERYTHING. The latest version. Always.[/QUOTE]
I heard that about Arch, though I'm not well versed in the deep aspects of Linux. Most I can do is navigate and work in init 3 smoothly, do every day maintenance tasks and do basic OS fixing.
[QUOTE=WeltEnSTurm;39636308]Linux Mint maybe? Was my first distro, I think it got quite buggy when they jumped to GTK3 though.[/QUOTE]
There's always the KDE version. [sp]help there is too much choice how is anyone supposed to make a decision when it's all free[/sp]
I was never really a fan of KDE. It felt too... Cartoony? Glossy? I dunno, something about it just [I]bugged[/I] me. It felt a tad more resource hungry than Gnome did.
[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;39636394]I was never really a fan of KDE. It felt too... Cartoony? Glossy? I dunno, something about it just [I]bugged[/I] me. It felt a tad more resource hungry than Gnome did.[/QUOTE]
I'm a sucker for shiny things, though it kinda got buggy after I let KDE update. Should of learned my lesson with Ubuntu back before I used Fedora.
[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;39636394]I was never really a fan of KDE. It felt too... Cartoony? Glossy? I dunno, something about it just [I]bugged[/I] me. It felt a tad more resource hungry than Gnome did.[/QUOTE]
It's certainly rather lighweight now, not on the same level as say Xfce or Xmonad, but rather light considering it's a "full" desktop environment. I also have to agree that the default theme is rather.. interesting too.
If you twiddle a few knobs it can look rather nice. This is what my last set up looked like:
[t]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5619257/kde1.png[/t]
[QUOTE=danharibo;39636430]It's certainly rather lighweight now, not on the same level as say Xfce or Xmonad, but rather light considering it's a "full" desktop environment. I also have to agree that the default theme is rather.. interesting too.
If you twiddle a few knobs it can look rather nice. This is what my last set up looked like:
[t]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5619257/kde1.png[/t][/QUOTE]
I still hate KDE's configuration. The fact that theming is split across 3 different areas in the control panel drives me up the wall
[QUOTE=Lyoko774;39636521]I still hate KDE's configuration. The fact that theming is split across 3 different areas in the control panel drives me up the wall[/QUOTE]
They are 3 distinct parts though, the window decorations have nothing to do with the plasma theme.
It is really annoying, yes. But it would be a mistake to combine them all into one place. (They're already in the same section of the settings).
Actually I'm having some configuration problems of my own; I turned on the "Desktop number display" that shows me which virtual desktop I'm now on, but I can't remember when the setting was to turn it off again.
The best tweak to Ubuntu is sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop. Unity is still using fucking Compiz.
[QUOTE=Lomme;39636560]The best tweak to Ubuntu is sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop. Unity is still using fucking Compiz.[/QUOTE]
Unity would be a lot more bearable if it used a better WM. Compiz is old, slow, and is just a mess.
[QUOTE=Lomme;39636560]The best tweak to Ubuntu is sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop. Unity is still using fucking Compiz.[/QUOTE]
But I like Compiz.
I don't use [I]all[/I] the features, but I can't get rid of my wobbly windows. evah. Its probably the only feature of it I use.
[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;39636598]But I like Compiz.
I don't use [I]all[/I] the features, but I can't get rid of my wobbly windows. evah. Its probably the only feature of it I use.[/QUOTE]
Kwin has a plugin for that [i]and[/i] isn't deprecated.
[QUOTE=danharibo;39636607]Kwin has a plugin for that [I]and[/I] isn't deprecated.[/QUOTE]
WOAH I didn't realize that there were more options there.
-adds KWin to laptop renovation list-
Woah 4000th post
I installed Ubuntu in a VM a couple of days ago, and while I didn't get the error about a device using a service, I did have a ton of crashes and other issues (The installer failed like 8-8 times). Personally I haven't liked what they've done with Ubuntu since around version 8 or so.
And I like the bit about how hard it is to fix the OS under Linux when something breaks, because Windows is always so easy. On my Win7 install windows update managed to corrupt the main MS security certs (A known bug), but then failed to download and apply the fix for the bug because the certs were corrupt. I had to manually delete some files in a hidden system folder to even get it into a working state.
I gave up using Ubuntu when it refused to connect to my wireless :(
[QUOTE=DeeCeeTeeBee;39636765]I gave up using Ubuntu when it refused to connect to my wireless :([/QUOTE]
There are some routers, I don't know what their issue is, but there is the occasional router that REFUSES to communicate with my ubuntu laptop. Everyone else is fine, other routers are fine, but THIS ONE ROUTER will connect, 3,2,1 disconnect EVERY TIME, no matter WHAT settings are changed.
My linux adventure ended when I realized I had literally no reason whatsoever to use it. I own copies of every version of Windows, and for all of the intents and purposes for which I consider this machine useful, I have absolutely no reason to even motivate myself to learn something new. It offers no advantage whatsoever for me personally.
"dumb operating system for jerks"
There's being informative, and then there's being just plain offensive
I think we can agree that installing any OS alongside another is going to be a horrid experience if you don't know what you're doing.
[QUOTE=Zethereal;39636968]"dumb operating system for jerks"
There's being informative, and then there's being just plain offensive[/QUOTE]
Well the article is clearly satire, I wouldn't get offended. But the thing about good satire is that even through all of the sarcasm, it's still saying something that will resonate with people, and the thing he's conveying here is the same thing I just said, he's just being an asshole about it.
The only reason he was motivated to install a new operating system was to gain access to a gimmicky piece of nothing. And so if you look past his intense sarcasm, you can at least see that the argument is valid: If your only motivation for switching is tchotchkes, then you're going to have just as bad of a time as this guy did.
You need to have some actual reason to completely change the way in which you interact with your computer.
[QUOTE=J Paul;39637069]Well the article is clearly satire, I wouldn't get offended. But the thing about good satire is that even through all of the sarcasm, it's still saying something that will resonate with people, and the thing he's conveying here is the same thing I just said, he's just being an asshole about it.
The only reason he was motivated to install a new operating system was to gain access to a gimmicky piece of nothing. And so if you look past his intense sarcasm, you can at least see that the argument is valid: If your only motivation for switching is tchotchkes, then you're going to have just as bad of a time as this guy did.
You need to have some actual reason to completely change the way in which you interact with your computer.[/QUOTE]
If the article is satire, it's incredibly bad satire.
[QUOTE=danharibo;39637096]If the article is satire, it's incredibly bad satire.[/QUOTE]
You might not find the article to be in good taste, but it actually presents the same point that any rational linux user would present to someone who is considering switching: Consider your motivations. If all you want is a penguin in a shitty game, it's simply retarded to go through with all of this. But if you have an actual reason to deploy a new operating system, then you'll also have a reason to do the research required to understand how to use it.
They really should have considered Fedora/Centos, or a different Debian distro aside from ubuntu. It's just so bloated I'd rather just stay on windows.
[QUOTE=J Paul;39637132]You might not find the article to be in good taste, but it actually presents the same point that any rational linux user would present to someone who is considering switching: Consider your motivations. If all you want is a penguin in a shitty game, it's simply retarded to go through with all of this. But if you have an actual reason to deploy a new operating system, then you'll also have a reason to do the research required to understand how to use it.[/QUOTE]
He even says in the article that he researched the Windows Installer and found that was not really recommended.
The average user wouldn't experience 1/2 of the issues he mentioned (though I do hope they're looking for some trousers).
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