• If Linux is the future then the future is awful or How To Install Linux Alongside Windows
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so he hates linux because he's not any good at it cool
[QUOTE=Tucan Sam;39637183]They really should have considered Fedora/Centos, or a different Debian distro aside from ubuntu. It's just so bloated I'd rather just stay on windows.[/QUOTE] Don't throw 'bloat' around like some kind of buzzword That implies that most of the software packaged with Ubuntu is useless. Unity can be quite slow, but that doesn't mean it's bloated.
The amount of butt hurt Linux users...take a damn joke.
[QUOTE=Tucan Sam;39637183]They really should have considered Fedora/Centos, or a different Debian distro aside from ubuntu. It's just so bloated I'd rather just stay on windows.[/QUOTE] If you're just a steam user who sees Linux on the front page of steam and they're recommending ubuntu then thats what most people are going to do. its good as a first impressions of linux for someone who learned about it through steam
I agree, Ubuntu does have these problems, but the way this author writes about them makes him sound retarded. In the end what do you seriously expect from a free, open-source operating system. You are paying nothing, so either submit your own code to the project or stop complaining.
[QUOTE=Amiga OS;39633564]I seriously recommend setting up your own bare bones Debian setup in a VM, just to understand how each of Linux's components work together. Slapping a bloated pre-assembled distro onto your computer is just no fun, and you won't have any understanding of how the damn thing works.[/QUOTE] some people actually want to use their computer
[QUOTE=Eltro102;39637564]some people actually want to use their computer[/QUOTE] I think that's why he said do it in a VM Debian isn't even hard to set up from barebones, you can make it get everything for you from the installer.
[QUOTE=Eltro102;39637564]some people actually want to use their computer[/QUOTE] Some people just want to drive their car, some people want to get the most out of it.
[QUOTE=W00tbeer1;39637563]I agree, Ubuntu does have these problems, but the way this author writes about them makes him sound retarded. In the end what do you seriously expect from a free, open-source operating system. You are paying nothing, so either submit your own code to the project or stop complaining.[/QUOTE] Not even code, if you at least file a bug that says "It fell over when I did X, here are the log files and these are my computer parts: ..." then someone can look into it.
I do have a laptop I kinda want to stick Linux on, while we're all here, does anyone have any recommendations? I want to use it for light school work and general internet browsing, and maybe just playing around with Linux I guess.
We are basically forced to run a virtual box running ubuntu for our Computer Engineering course and while running a virtual box isn't the same. Linux still pisses me off to no end at times. Having to write a bunch of commands just to be able to increase the resolution past 800x600 is just ridiculous. [editline]19th February 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=TheCreeper;39634977]Was not aware anyone even used Fedora anymore.[/QUOTE] Our Uni has plenty of Red Hat computers that we use for Computer Engineering. Pisses me off a bit less but still enough.
[QUOTE=CommanderPT;39637684]We are basically forced to run a virtual box running ubuntu for our Computer Engineering course and while running a virtual box isn't the same. Linux still pisses me off to no end at times. Having to write a bunch of commands just to be able to increase the resolution past 800x600 is just ridiculous.[/QUOTE] Have you tried just using the resolution panel in the preferences?
[QUOTE=CommanderPT;39637684]We are basically forced to run a virtual box running ubuntu for our Computer Engineering course and while running a virtual box isn't the same. Linux still pisses me off to no end at times. Having to write a bunch of commands just to be able to increase the resolution past 800x600 is just ridiculous. [editline]19th February 2013[/editline] Our Uni has plenty of Red Hat computers that we use for Computer Engineering. Pisses me off a bit less but still enough.[/QUOTE] Change it in the monitor panel in the settings menu Use xrandr to add non specified resolutions + with virtualbox you can make it adjust the resolution according to window size if you have the guest additions [editline]18th February 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Del91;39637679]I do have a laptop I kinda want to stick Linux on, while we're all here, does anyone have any recommendations? I want to use it for light school work and general internet browsing, and maybe just playing around with Linux I guess.[/QUOTE] Crunchbang. It's very...different from windows, GUI-wise. but it's quite nice and fluid once you get used to it. And it's not very intensive.
[QUOTE=CommanderPT;39637684]We are basically forced to run a virtual box running ubuntu for our Computer Engineering course and while running a virtual box isn't the same. Linux still pisses me off to no end at times. Having to write a bunch of commands just to be able to increase the resolution past 800x600 is just ridiculous.[/QUOTE] What kind of VM setup are you using that the guest operating system isn't aware of the Virtualbox window size? Ubuntu 08.04? I'm pretty sure guest operating systems resize with the VM window as long as you've got the Virtualbox drivers.
X.org reads the allowed resolutions from the monitor automatically and the preferences dialog presents them to the user, it's exactly the same as Windows in that regard. If you're having to specify them through the command line, something else has gone wrong along the way.
[QUOTE=Del91;39637679]I do have a laptop I kinda want to stick Linux on, while we're all here, does anyone have any recommendations? I want to use it for light school work and general internet browsing, and maybe just playing around with Linux I guess.[/QUOTE] It might be worth experimenting with the suggestions you get, to see which you like the best. I'd recommend Linux Mint (any variant) if you're looking for something simple, or Crunchbang if you're looking for something more power-user-y.
[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;39637736] Crunchbang. It's very...different from windows, GUI-wise. but it's quite nice and fluid once you get used to it. And it's not very intensive.[/QUOTE] I'm not to worried about my laptop running anything, it's got a 2.4ghz Core 2 Duo(maybe a 2.2 can't remember) and like 8gigs of DDR3. :v: [editline]18th February 2013[/editline] Also, it's got a second touch screen above the keyboard which might be fun with Linux. [editline]18th February 2013[/editline] I take a look around and try a couple things out.
Either way, Crunchbang is quite a pleasure to use. Give it a shot in a LiveCD, see if you like it there. Second to Crunchbang, I'd reccomend Linux Mint.
Arch was my first distro, it was easy you just have to follow the tutorial and then bam you have a very fast computer.
I feel like a lot Linux users are [B]really[/B] out of touch with what they expect the average user to be able to do.
[QUOTE=DinoJesus;39638291]I feel like Linux users are [B]really[/B] out of touch with what they expect the average user to be able to do.[/QUOTE] Non-linux users are out of touch with what they can actually do.
[QUOTE=mobrockers2;39638299]Non-linux users are out of touch with what they can actually do.[/QUOTE] Because the average Joe Schmoe is gonna devote his time to learning the intricacies of Linux when he could just use windows or osx.
[QUOTE=DinoJesus;39638335]Because the average Joe Schmoe is gonna devote his time to learning the intricacies of Linux when he could just use windows or osx.[/QUOTE] The reason the average Joe Schmoe doesn't tries linux is because people like you tell them they need to learn the intricacies of linux to be able to use it.
[QUOTE=DinoJesus;39638335]Because the average Joe Schmoe is gonna devote his time to learning the intricacies of Linux when he could just use windows or osx.[/QUOTE] The average joe would rather just use windows or OSX because it comes installed with most computers. [editline]19th February 2013[/editline] I bet my entire life savings if Linux came preinstalled on more computers it would be a fuckton more user friendly
Ubuntu is currently the scourge itself on getting Linux used in general. Bad decision upon bad decision. Should've picked Xubuntu or Linux Mint.
[QUOTE=mobrockers2;39638379]The reason the average Joe Schmoe doesn't tries linux is because people like you tell them they need to learn the intricacies of linux to be able to use it.[/QUOTE] Even on Ubuntu there is a certain degree of intricacies you need to learn. Certain terminal functionality is something you really need to learn (because the provided software doesn't cover every base still), fixing problems with the OS is another major one which does usually require terminal knowledge (the last time I tried Ubuntu (11.something) the automated help stuff was fucking wank), and so forth. For the average user you can just slap it on their computer and let them go, my 40-50 something year old neighbour quite happily got on with Ubuntu once I gave her a quick run through of how to install basic things and alternatives to Windows software, but every time it breaks there isn't really anyone she knows who can fix it, and support like that isn't provided by Cannonical.
Ubuntu != every single Linux distro.
I've rarely ever Linux issues from the times I've tried it out, but, I'm not sure how widespread this issue is, I always have a pain in the ass time setting up a dual-boot with an SSD. All distros I've tried just refuse to detect the windows partition. So I have to go into windows, partition off space, install linux, rebuild the MBR with the console, and use easybcd to add the linux partition to the windows bootloader because grub doesn't detect it. And I cannot find a distro with working wireless or wired drivers for my lenovo g580 laptop, therefore have no way to go to the update panel and download the needed drivers.
[QUOTE=Priori;39639681] And I cannot find a distro with working wireless or wired drivers for my lenovo g580 laptop, therefore have no way to go to the update panel and download the needed drivers.[/QUOTE] That worries me a bit, but I do have some Ethernet cables laying around for when I do switch my laptop over.
[QUOTE=Priori;39639681]I've rarely ever Linux issues from the times I've tried it out, but, I'm not sure how widespread this issue is, I always have a pain in the ass time setting up a dual-boot with an SSD. All distros I've tried just refuse to detect the windows partition. So I have to go into windows, partition off space, install linux, rebuild the MBR with the console, and use easybcd to add the linux partition to the windows bootloader because grub doesn't detect it. And I cannot find a distro with working wireless or wired drivers for my lenovo g580 laptop, therefore have no way to go to the update panel and download the needed drivers.[/QUOTE] What chipset is it?
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