If Linux is the future then the future is awful or How To Install Linux Alongside Windows
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[QUOTE=The Baconator;39652828]you can bash it all you want but OSX is far more desired among consumers than any other OS. And I won't go as far as to say it's an OSX poser.
but it looks like they got quality control over it, and that is pretty big imo[/QUOTE]
Even Unity makes more sense than OSX when it comes to usability.
And if that doesn't point out obvious flaws, then shit I dunno.
[QUOTE=Van-man;39664237]Even Unity makes more sense than OSX when it comes to usability.
And if that doesn't point out obvious flaws, then shit I dunno.[/QUOTE]
OSX is very polished but it isn't intuitive in the slightest.
It works OK when you get the hang of it but it has a lot of annoyances.
[editline]21st February 2013[/editline]
It's appalling that Windows and OSX don't even have tabbed file managers, that's incredibly basic
[QUOTE=Van-man;39664237]Even Unity makes more sense than OSX when it comes to usability.
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I don't even know how to use Unity (I never use Ubuntu cause of it), everyone and their mother knows how to use OSX (High Schools are like Mac only these days though, that could be why)
[QUOTE=The Baconator;39665251]I don't even know how to use Unity (I never use Ubuntu cause of it), everyone and their mother knows how to use OSX (High Schools are like Mac only these days though, that could be why)[/QUOTE]
I don't know how to use OSX, it confuses me every time so I let someone else do it.
[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;39664254]OSX is very polished but it isn't intuitive in the slightest.
It works OK when you get the hang of it but it has a lot of annoyances.
[editline]21st February 2013[/editline]
It's appalling that Windows and OSX don't even have tabbed file managers, that's incredibly basic[/QUOTE]
Windows explorer windows stacking on the taskbar is functionally identical, so it basically does - although tabs inside the window would look better I'd say.
[QUOTE=The Baconator;39665251]I don't even know how to use Unity (I never use Ubuntu cause of it), everyone and their mother knows how to use OSX (High Schools are like Mac only these days though, that could be why)[/QUOTE]
What are you on about? I've never seen a single highschool with macs in it, the only macs I've seen in a school were like the dinosaur macs in my elementary school running goofy educational software :v:
[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;39664254]It's appalling that Windows and OSX don't even have tabbed file managers, that's incredibly basic[/QUOTE]
Can't be that basic if the biggest operating systems on the market don't have them.
I know a few file managers have had tabbed windows for a while now, I remember using whatever came with GNOME2 (I think) a few years ago and liking having tabs. But if it was such a desired feature it would have been implemented in one of the two major OS's by now.
[QUOTE=mobrockers2;39665297]I don't know how to use OSX, it confuses me every time so I let someone else do it.[/QUOTE]
What's confusing about it? If you know how to use Windows you know how to use OS X. The basic interface concepts have been around for decades.
[QUOTE=Elspin;39665316]Windows explorer windows stacking on the taskbar is functionally identical, so it basically does - although tabs inside the window would look better I'd say.
What are you on about? I've never seen a single highschool with macs in it, the only macs I've seen in a school were like the dinosaur macs in my elementary school running goofy educational software :v:[/QUOTE]
My high school media lab had G5's. I hadn't used a Mac since I was like 8 before those. Kid Pix dawg
[QUOTE=Del91;39665790]My high school media lab had G5's. I hadn't used a Mac since I was like 8 before those. Kid Pix dawg[/QUOTE]
That was running on the elementary school macs I was talking about :v:
Pretty sure 90% of kids just scribbled on the screen and then hit the dynamite button
[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;39664254]
It's appalling that Windows and OSX don't even have tabbed file managers, that's incredibly basic[/QUOTE]
why?
i've never needed tabs
[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;39666258]why?
i've never needed tabs[/QUOTE]
Juggling with large amount of files when moving shit around on your computer, THEN you'd appreciate them.
Or just use Total Commander
[QUOTE=Van-man;39667356]Juggling with large amount of files when moving shit around on your computer, THEN you'd appreciate them.
Or just use Total Commander[/QUOTE]
I used to have some sort of midnight commander java version installed on my older phones (pre-smartphone era), which was just amazing for local to ftp transfer, local to bluetooth transfer, heck even ftp to bluetooth transfers worked. It was an amazingly useful piece of software to have for free.
Got a Live USB of Crunchbang running right now, holy shit it comes with Memtest 86+? Fucking Awesome, I'm definitely using this shit at work. :v:
[editline]21st February 2013[/editline]
Err it's in my laptop, not my desktop.
First time using linux sorry. I use Memtest at work, but I use burned cd's which get scratched up/lost/left in cd drives I throw out.
Ubuntu has some nice features, but it's the exact opposite of "user friendly". Installing a program not in the Ubuntu Store isn't a simple "click to install". You basically have to program an entire computer inside the Terminal just to install something like Java.
Related:
[IMG]http://s3.amazonaws.com/theoatmeal-img/comics/fix_computer/linux.png[/IMG]
[QUOTE=SockFC;39674931]Ubuntu has some nice features, but it's the exact opposite of "user friendly". Installing a program not in the Ubuntu Store isn't a simple "click to install". You basically have to program an entire computer inside the Terminal just to install something like Java.
Related:
[IMG]http://s3.amazonaws.com/theoatmeal-img/comics/fix_computer/linux.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]
[url]http://mpashworth.wordpress.com/2012/09/30/duinsoft-makes-installing-oracle-java-7-easy-on-linux-mint-13/[/url]
There, now you've added java to your package manager, huzzah!
This shit's quick.
[QUOTE=SockFC;39674931]Ubuntu has some nice features, but it's the exact opposite of "user friendly". Installing a program not in the Ubuntu Store isn't a simple "click to install". You basically have to program an entire computer inside the Terminal just to install something like Java.
Related:
[IMG]http://s3.amazonaws.com/theoatmeal-img/comics/fix_computer/linux.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Sorry but what?
It's incredibly simple to install something on linux because 99% of the time it is in a repo.
You want Java? On arch linux it would be:
[CODE]pacman -S jre7-openjdk[/CODE]
or whatever your distro is.
That's it.
You very rarely get something conflicting, and if you do it's usually easy to fix. If you get something conflicting on Windows you're usually fucked.
[QUOTE=mobrockers2;39674966][url]http://mpashworth.wordpress.com/2012/09/30/duinsoft-makes-installing-oracle-java-7-easy-on-linux-mint-13/[/url]
There, now you've added java to your package manager, huzzah![/QUOTE]
In general the webupd8 repo's should've been standard in most debian based distro's:
[url]http://ppa.webupd8.org/ppas[/url]
It includes a easy install repo for Oracle Java
[QUOTE=Inplabth;39674887]Pretty much everything comes with memtest86+ anymore.[/QUOTE]
I think even Windows 8 comes with a memory tester, and that can be run from a memory stick.
[QUOTE=Bumrang;39675784]Sorry but what?
It's incredibly simple to install something on linux because 99% of the time it is in a repo.
You want Java? On arch linux it would be:
[CODE]pacman -S jre7-openjdk[/CODE]
or whatever your distro is.
That's it.
You very rarely get something conflicting, and if you do it's usually easy to fix. If you get something conflicting on Windows you're usually fucked.[/QUOTE]
You forgot steps 1 till 7
1)Google "How do I Java on Linux Version XYZ"
2)Wade through tons of forum posts about Linux Version ABC
3)Find relevant post, notice it dates back from 2009
4)Wade some more
5)Find the relevant recent information
6)Type relevant "apt get install bla bla" into terminal
7)nothing happens, realize you have to use sudo
8)type "sudo apt get install bla bla"
[QUOTE=Number-41;39689644]You forgot steps 1 till 7
1)Google "How do I Java on Linux Version XYZ"
2)Wade through tons of forum posts about Linux Version ABC
3)Find relevant post, notice it dates back from 2009
4)Wade some more
5)Find the relevant recent information
6)Type relevant "apt get install bla bla" into terminal
7)nothing happens, realize you have to use sudo
8)type "sudo apt get install bla bla"[/QUOTE]
It would be funny if the [i]actual[/i] solution wasn't already in the post you quoted.
[QUOTE=Number-41;39689644]You forgot steps 1 till 7
1)Google "How do I Java on Linux Version XYZ"
2)Wade through tons of forum posts about Linux Version ABC
3)Find relevant post, notice it dates back from 2009
4)Wade some more
5)Find the relevant recent information
6)Type relevant "apt get install bla bla" into terminal
7)nothing happens, realize you have to use sudo
8)type "sudo apt get install bla bla"[/QUOTE]
Congratulations, you just explained how to install something in windows except using Apt instead of executables
[editline]23rd February 2013[/editline]
And at least linux tells you when you need to use an administrator account at the [I]right[/I] times.
[QUOTE=Van-man;39641855]Jesus, they're even more OSX posers than Xubuntu.[/QUOTE]
Don't tell me you don't remember dreamlinux
[QUOTE=Number-41;39689644]You forgot steps 1 till 7
1)Google "How do I Java on Linux Version XYZ"
2)Wade through tons of forum posts about Linux Version ABC
3)Find relevant post, notice it dates back from 2009
4)Wade some more
5)Find the relevant recent information
6)Type relevant "apt get install bla bla" into terminal
7)nothing happens, realize you have to use sudo
8)type "sudo apt get install bla bla"[/QUOTE]
huh, so you want to be like that? ok
let's assume you don't know the name for java in the repo, so let's do a simple search for java (this time with sudo even though it's supposed to be assumed):
[code]sudo pacman -Ss java[/code]
this will give you a list of every program or description with the word "java" in it.
look through the list and you will find
[quote]jre7-openjdk - Free Java environment based on OpenJDK 7.0 with IcedTea7 replacing binary plugs -Full Java runtime environment - needed for executing Java GUI and Webstart programs[/quote]
looks like that's what we want, so we do:
[code]sudo pacman -S jre7-openjdk[/code]
it will ask you if you want to install, you say yes, and then it installs it for you.
There is no need to google "how to java linux version xyz", there is no need to "wade through posts about linux version abc", there is no need to use a browser at all. Everything is fast and easy, and what you just described is pretty much what it's like to install a program on windows (without the package manager of course).
You have a very skewed perception on what linux is actually like.
[QUOTE=Bumrang;39690828]huh, so you want to be like that? ok
let's assume you don't know the name for java in the repo, so let's do a simple search for java (this time with sudo even though it's supposed to be assumed):
[code]sudo pacman -Ss java[/code]
this will give you a list of every program or description with the word "java" in it.
look through the list and you will find
looks like that's what we want, so we do:
[code]sudo pacman -S jre7-openjdk[/code]
it will ask you if you want to install, you say yes, and then it installs it for you.
There is no need to google "how to java linux version xyz", there is no need to "wade through posts about linux version abc", there is no need to use a browser at all. Everything is fast and easy, and what you just described is pretty much what it's like to install a program on windows (without the package manager of course).
You have a very skewed perception on what linux is actually like.[/QUOTE]
Let's be honest here. While it's not hard and you or me can easily learn how to deal with it keep in mind the average user.
a) it's not a GUI
b) it requires the user to have an idea on what to do in the first place
c) it requires some actual ability to understand the results
[img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5619257/usc.png[/img]
If someone has trouble clicking 'Install' then they're probably in need of some general computer assistance.
This article is pretty much summed up in 'wah wah wah I installed the worst version of an OS wah wah'.
It's like saying Firefox is shit and doesn't handle any pages good, when you're using Firefox 1.
[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;39690669]Congratulations, you just explained how to install something in windows except using Apt instead of executables
[editline]23rd February 2013[/editline]
And at least linux tells you when you need to use an administrator account at the [I]right[/I] times.[/QUOTE]
So sudo elevation with a package manager is the "right" time, but UAC elevation with a downloaded executable is not? It's fine in 'System Settings', but not in 'Control Panel'? You're ok with it to modify /usr, but \Program Files is 'intrusive'?
talk about double standards.
[QUOTE=subenji99;39696483]So sudo elevation with a package manager is the "right" time, but UAC elevation with a downloaded executable is not? It's fine in 'System Settings', but not in 'Control Panel'? You're ok with it to modify /usr, but \Program Files is 'intrusive'?
talk about double standards.[/QUOTE]
erm
the difference is that sudo is admin access when [I]you[/I] want it, UAC is admin access when the [I]system[/I] want it
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