• SimCity to use always-on DRM, no mod tools at launch
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this is still a problem? i don't look forward to the game but if you buy it and feel like supporting the neo-nazis that are Electronic arts you can always wait about 2½ hours for it to become cracked.
[QUOTE=Jack_Ghetto;35334286]No such thing as foolproof internet connection.[/QUOTE] Wow... get a grip, INTERNET TURNED OFF FOR ONE MILI SECOND NOT BUYING GAME REFUND NOW!.
[QUOTE=SoUl_ReApEr2;35334403]Wow... get a grip, INTERNET TURNED OFF FOR ONE MILI SECOND NOT BUYING GAME REFUND NOW!.[/QUOTE] SimCity does not auto-save. I'm sure you will enjoy redoing parts of your city all over again. [quote]With Ubisoft's Anno 2070, it uses a similar drm....[/quote] This isn't Ubisoft. This is EA. The rules are different in how badly you have to screw up a game.
The problem with always-online DRM is that you can literally only play the game in a desktop-ethernet environment, and you have to "pay" for that privilege when pirates don't have to worry about it for "free". Games like this can never really be "Lan'd" (though why you would want to lan SimCity is beyond me), they can't be used for laptops on the go unless you happen to be within solid and stable wifi access, usually at home (which is very bad for SimCity as it's the perfect "time waster" type game that utilizes a laptop to its fullest), if you have an area with spotty interenet you're fucked, if you happen to be stuck with a monopoly internet provider you are fucked (like the time last month where I had no interenet for 3 days due to my company refunding a payment, then then saying they never got it, then asking for it again plus a $20 reconnection fee to get our internet back), if your internet is metered based on a certain amount of usage per month, etc. Overseas? No SimCity for you! This is literally a game that can only be played in an environement with solid internet connections at all times (aka a home ethernet connection, sorry to you college guys who tend to get jipped on this stuff), on a desktop. For a single player game. That often can involve playing for long stretches of time. It's just so limiting. And we pay for that shit! When the pirates don't! It doesn't make any sense.
[QUOTE=Arvuti;35334130]I wish EA didn't own maxis. Imagine simcity on steam with the mod tools using steam workshop. :dance:[/QUOTE] My pants are tight thinking about that.
Does the game need to authenticate to EAs servers in order to play? If so legit customers are screwed when the servers shut down.
[QUOTE=SoUl_ReApEr2;35334403]Wow... get a grip, INTERNET TURNED OFF FOR ONE MILI SECOND NOT BUYING GAME REFUND NOW!.[/QUOTE] "Oh yay! I'm so happy not having easy and practical control of my legally purchased product! What's that, Peter Pirate? You don't need the internet to play the game? Oh jee, that sure is ace! But what do I care? ALL my games are connected to the internet, and I- what's this? My Internet is down for two weeks because of maintenance? And I can't play any of my games? Sure is great to be a paying customer!"
And companies wonder why people pirate games.
Find it funny how everybody throws a fit over a simple DRM, while precious Steam is just that.
Steam has offline mod
[QUOTE=MrParalegal;35334700]Find it funny how everybody throws a fit over a simple DRM, while precious Steam is just that.[/QUOTE] You can still play your games if your internet connection drops. And what other DRM system lets you download your games from it and give you sales like all the time?
That's fucking it. I wont buy any more EA games if Sim City has DRM.
EA Games! Challenge Everything.
[QUOTE=Jackald;35335128][img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/10001051/Soon.png[/img][/QUOTE] what the fuck
Doesn't bother me at all. I'm always connected to the net.
[QUOTE=MrParalegal;35334700]Find it funny how everybody throws a fit over a simple DRM, while precious Steam is just that.[/QUOTE] Steam: start up Steam, log in with internet check. Start up games, no questions asked about your internet. (Unless you want to open something that needs internet to begin with, like Friends or your generic online shooter) This: start up the game, internet check. Go to the main menu, internet check. Start building your city, internet check. Work on your city, several internet checks. While checking your internet, internet check. If in any of these cases there just so happens to not be an internet to check, the DRM will proceed to shit itself in make your life misery. Steam COULD work in offline mode too, but it seems to be broken for me. I'll give you that one.
[quote]"We recognize it. We're not idiots."[/quote] Obviously you still are if you keep pushing your shitty DRM. And greedy as well. [QUOTE=MrParalegal;35334700]Find it funny how everybody throws a fit over a simple DRM, while precious Steam is just that.[/QUOTE] Steam is actually convenient and easy to use. While I do prefer to buy physical copies, I don't care if it actually requires Steamworks; I just do it for the sake of circumventing my shitty Australian internet. Steam also doesn't shit a brick and kick you out of the game everytime your internet goes down for whatever reason, even if you're playing a SP only game. If you think EA is pushing 'simple DRM' then you're ignorant, I'm sorry to say.
Multiplayer is doomed to be a clusterfuck, but this will ruin everything.
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[QUOTE=Juggernog;35335368]When I did work experience my boss was a former high up manager at EA I believe. Although it doesn't correlate to anything, when he left around 2006, that's when EA started to go to shit right? I wonder if his leaving had anything to do with it because I gathered he was pretty high up.[/QUOTE] That's a bit of a stretch.
[QUOTE=MrParalegal;35334700]Find it funny how everybody throws a fit over a simple DRM, while precious Steam is just that.[/QUOTE] I'm no advocate for Steam, hell I'd rather have all my games without it. But Steam DRM is nothing compared to always-on DRM.
[QUOTE=Arvuti;35334130]I wish EA didn't own maxis. Imagine simcity on steam with the mod tools using steam workshop. :dance:[/QUOTE] Someone has to approach Gabe about buying Maxis. Imagine Sim City with Gabe at the helm :E
[QUOTE=Everen;35335263]Steam: start up Steam, log in with internet check. Start up games, no questions asked about your internet. (Unless you want to open something that needs internet to begin with, like Friends or your generic online shooter) This: start up the game, internet check. Go to the main menu, internet check. Start building your city, internet check. Work on your city, several internet checks. While checking your internet, internet check. If in any of these cases there just so happens to not be an internet to check, the DRM will proceed to shit itself in make your life misery. Steam COULD work in offline mode too, but it seems to be broken for me. I'll give you that one.[/QUOTE] Through my own personal testing I've found that in order to get Steam to work in offline mode, you have to force it to enter offline mode while you're still connected to the Internet once. Then it works fine no matter what.
I am perplexed as to why they would do this. I will continue to be perplexed as they keep doing it. This has never stopped pirates and it never will, why can't they just COMPETE WITH PIRACY AND MAKE EVERYONE HAPPY AAAUUGGGHH I DON'T FUCKING UNDERSTAND. :suicide:
bawww bawww we dont like DRM bawww this sums up the entire thread why do you care so much for DRM steam is just as bad with this but since it's EA you decide to complain.
[QUOTE=Tuskin;35335239]Doesn't bother me at all. I'm always connected to the net.[/QUOTE] Me too, it'll help me seed the game once it comes out.
[QUOTE=DarkCisco;35335864]bawww bawww we dont like DRM bawww this sums up the entire thread [/QUOTE] god forbid people want to state their opinions on forums
[QUOTE=DarkCisco;35335864]bawww bawww we dont like DRM bawww this sums up the entire thread why do you care so much for DRM steam is just as bad with this but since it's EA you decide to complain.[/QUOTE] It's not nearly as bad. It doesn't technically even require you to be online if you turn on offline mode. It's hardly DRM at all in that respect. Hell the nature of Steam's system sort of requires some sort of authentication, but it's a one time process when you log in, not something that happens for every game (with a few exceptions).
Aaaand there goes THAT hope of EA doing better.
I was going to preorder this. Now I think I'm just going to keep playing SimCity 4 and pick this up when it gets cheap then crack it
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