Mass Effect: Andromeda won't get any animation improvements on day one - Lazy Fucks, 5 year dev time
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[QUOTE=Lambeth;51982295]Dragon Age: Inquisition wasn't that bad.[/QUOTE]
"It was okay" is not, can not and should not be the term you'd use to describe a AAA-title released by a company that considers itself a titan in the industry, a game that wins [I]Game of the Year[/I] no less. That's the kind of talk you'd use for one of those white-noise games you might pick up in the bargain bin.
[QUOTE=Lambeth;51982295]Dragon Age: Inquisition wasn't that bad.[/QUOTE]
It was okay but like, what a fall from grace compared to DA:O or KOTOR
[QUOTE=FingerSpazem;51983409]It was okay but like, what a fall from grace compared to DA:O or KOTOR[/QUOTE]
Only a fall from grace if you ignore the terminal velocity plummet than was Dragon Age 2. Compared to that game Inquisition is great.
And I'm one of the 5 people who enjoyed DA2.
[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;51983843]Only a fall from grace if you ignore the terminal velocity plummet than was Dragon Age 2. Compared to that game Inquisition is great.
And I'm one of the 5 people who enjoyed DA2.[/QUOTE]
I kind of liked DA2 but I'm the sort of person that can see value in a bad game.
[editline]19th March 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=FingerSpazem;51983409]It was okay but like, what a fall from grace compared to DA:O or KOTOR[/QUOTE]
Kotor I'll give you but DA:O is a little ehhhh
Really? DA:O easily ranks among my favorite RPGs period.
[QUOTE=Skyward;51983994]Really? DA:O easily ranks among my favorite RPGs period.[/QUOTE]
Considering how much I despise holding buttons to have mouselook it's easily one of my least favorite. Gameplay is kind of a huge part of the "game" experience.
[QUOTE=Lambeth;51983986]
Kotor I'll give you but DA:O is a little ehhhh[/QUOTE]
DA:O is an acquired taste, it's generic and jank but to someone like me it's absurdly charming in how well it feels like a D&D campaign you'd play every Friday night at your friend's house after he spent a month stealing from various sources to come up with the setting and story.
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;51984037]DA:O is an acquired taste, it's generic and jank but to someone like me it's absurdly charming in how well it feels like a D&D campaign you'd play every Friday night at your friend's house after he spent a month stealing from various sources to come up with the setting and story.[/QUOTE]
I think the Fade, Maker and how the Deamons/Spirits work is really neat and interesting, but honestly the only part of Dragon Age that really is of any interest. That said, I recently played through DA:O and hot damn did the ending feel good. It's not a particularly gripping story, but after all that shit you go through it feels sorta worth it. Going through Dragon Age 2, I can feel the jank and the rush, but it's a way better game than I remember it being. I'm having a lot of fun with it.
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;51984037]DA:O is an acquired taste, it's generic and jank but to someone like me it's absurdly charming in how well it feels like a D&D campaign you'd play every Friday night at your friend's house after he spent a month stealing from various sources to come up with the setting and story.[/QUOTE]
Neverwinter Nights is better for that.
[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;51983843]Only a fall from grace if you ignore the terminal velocity plummet than was Dragon Age 2. Compared to that game Inquisition is great.
And I'm one of the 5 people who enjoyed DA2.[/QUOTE]
I enjoyed DA2 on my first playthrough too and considered it to be better than the original. Then on my second playthrough I realized how much of a fuck up the game was since I realized that potion making was fucked, trap making gone, there were barely any locations, romances were retarded, rogues were gimped, loadouts were gimped and other stuff I'm forgetting. I did like the story and conflict between mages and templars but the resolution was pretty retarded.
The final fight is pretty funny if you have Aveline with stun immune because the boss is supposed to stun your entire party while she delivers her speech but Aveline was immune and just got a ton of free hits in
[QUOTE=I am Error;51984070]I think the Fade, Maker and how the Deamons/Spirits work is really neat and interesting, but honestly the only part of Dragon Age that really is of any interest. That said, I recently played through DA:O and hot damn did the ending feel good. It's not a particularly gripping story, but after all that shit you go through it feels sorta worth it. Going through Dragon Age 2, I can feel the jank and the rush, but it's a way better game than I remember it being. I'm having a lot of fun with it.[/QUOTE]
Fuck the Fade. "Skip the Fade" was the first mod I installed after playing through the Fade once.
[QUOTE=BuffaloBill;51984142]Fuck the Fade. "Skip the Fade" was the first mod I installed after playing through the Fade once.[/QUOTE]
The fade and the deep roads are definitely where the game sort of goes down in quality. the former because it's repetitive on second playthroughs and the latter because it's so long.
[QUOTE=Dr.C;51980468]just look at FO3, skyrim, and FO4[/QUOTE]
All 3 of those games are mediocre with pretty terrible stories (Skyrim is better than the other two in this aspect)
[QUOTE=Araknid;51984419]All 3 of those games are mediocre with pretty terrible stories (Skyrim is better than the other two in this aspect)[/QUOTE]
That's what I mean, the things ME:A does bad, they do far worse but people excuse it because they love everything else in the games. So people might look past ME:A's glaring flaws if it turns out to have good gameplay, interesting(not well-written) story, and likable characters even if they are poorly animated and written
[QUOTE=Dr.C;51984473]That's what I mean, the things ME:A does bad, they do far worse but people excuse it because they love everything else in the games. So people might look past ME:A's glaring flaws if it turns out to have good gameplay, interesting(not well-written) story, and likable characters even if they are poorly animated and written[/QUOTE]
for what it's worth, only humans are poorly animated and voiced from my time with the trial
any and all aliens were well done
People don't like Tann but he's voiced by Kumail Ninjani so I'm sold
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51984624]for what it's worth, only humans are poorly animated and voiced from my time with the trial
any and all aliens were well done
People don't like Tann but he's voiced by Kumail Ninjani so I'm sold[/QUOTE]
Both the Salarians and Turians are just straight up missing animations that were there in the previous trilogy. Certain ways flanges move, their eyes focus or their faces animate are just not there.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51984624]
People don't like Tann but he's voiced by Kumail Ninjani so I'm sold[/QUOTE]
This is specifically why I don't like Tann (that and he's racist toward Krogans, which is unacceptable). Kumail Ninjani is a terrible voice actor, he has no presence in his voice and he sounds like he's reading from a script. I hated him in The Walking Dead season 2 and I hate him in this.
I'm sure he's a fine actor on screen, though I don't watch TV so I've never seen him in anything, but he's another point of proof that acting and voice acting are very different professions and few people are able to do both.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51984624]People don't like Tann but he's voiced by Kumail Ninjani so I'm sold[/QUOTE]
Not even sure why they don't like him, he was my favorite non-crewmember character in the demo.
He sounded like his voice recording was lower quality than every other character to me. I swore I could hear static, but I only talked to him the one time.
[QUOTE=Araknid;51984419]All 3 of those games are mediocre with pretty terrible stories (Skyrim is better than the other two in this aspect)[/QUOTE]
No no no, that's not right. Fallout 3 has a terrible main quest, but everything else is well-written (for some reason) and it's a great RPG overall, except for the main quest. Skyrim is a mediocre RPG but a great adventure/exploration game, but it's not very well written for the most part. And Fallout 4 is more or less the same, but it's a better action game.
I mean, I'm sorry but you can't really call those games "just" mediocre. You have to respect their strengths.
[QUOTE=BuffaloBill;51984142]Fuck the Fade. "Skip the Fade" was the first mod I installed after playing through the Fade once.[/QUOTE]
I meant the idea of the Fade. Definitely fuck the fade levels, they're awful.
Tbh if you're going to have to go through dialogue/story in order to get to the next combat sequence in a game, make it a good one, or don't do it at all
[editline]20th March 2017[/editline]
Of/c I'm not sure what they've done after me2 so
[QUOTE=Loadingue;51986018]No no no, that's not right. Fallout 3 has a terrible main quest, but everything else is well-written (for some reason) and it's a great RPG overall[/QUOTE]
Wait-wait, hold on a sec. What? Where did Fallout 3 have 'well-written' anything in it? And how it is a great RPG?
[QUOTE=gudman;51986336]Wait-wait, hold on a sec. What? Where did Fallout 3 have 'well-written' anything in it? And how it is a great RPG?[/QUOTE]
Check out all the side-quests you want, or the logs you find in the wasteland, or even the characters as long as they're not related to the main quest. Fallout 3 is great in that regard.
Also it's a great RPG because you get tons of dialogue possibilities all the time, and there are many ways to complete any quest (unless it's a main quest :/). It's much better than Fallout 4, RPG-wise, but Fallout New Vegas still does it better though.
[QUOTE=Loadingue;51986372]Check out all the side-quests you want, or the logs you find in the wasteland, or even the characters as long as they're not related to the main quest. Fallout 3 is great in that regard.[/quote]
Sidequests, well the only ones that I actually remember are Wasteland Survival guide, cannibal 'vampire' cult and Tenpenny tower, Republic of Dave and those don't stand out as "great" writing. I can remember a few more, but those are outright atrocious. Characters... well. Who?
Logs - yeah, some of those were good, but that doesn't require much effort.
[quote]Also it's a great RPG because you get tons of dialogue possibilities all the time, and there are many ways to complete any quest (unless it's a main quest :/). It's much better than Fallout 4, RPG-wise, but Fallout New Vegas still does it better though.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, dialogues were [i]much[/i] better than Fallout 4, but that's a pretty low standard. Most were pretty simplistic still though, and there were very few options to use other skill than Speech. A couple of sidequests did allow for multiple interesting ways to finish them, that's true. I wonder where did that go.
I guess my standards might be a bit high. Actually looking back now, Fallout 3 doesn't seem to be [i]all that bad[/i]. It's way worse in every regard to New Vegas, as unfinished and broken as it was, but even worse games came out since then as far as writing gues, so I guess I should give credit where credit's due.
Meh, I'm going to buy it. Even if I it turns out to be a bad game, how bad can it really be?
[QUOTE=Loadingue;51986018]
I mean, I'm sorry but you can't really call those games "just" mediocre. You have to respect their strengths.[/QUOTE]
Fallout 4 is pretty much just mediocre. It's a shit rpg, it's poorly written, it's a sub-par port that runs at unplayable framerates on newer hardware and requires an ssd to prevent a weapon draw bug so it's not even a good action game because the action is ruined by poor performance.
It's mediocre in everything but the artstyle and various minor improvements in things like looting and companions and weapon/armor systems.
[QUOTE=Lambeth;51984146]The fade and the deep roads are definitely where the game sort of goes down in quality. the former because it's repetitive on second playthroughs and the latter because it's so long.[/QUOTE]
I don't mind the Deep Roads, I loved the idea of them actually. It's lengthy, definitely, but not the worst part imo.
[QUOTE=I am Error;51986112]I meant the idea of the Fade. Definitely fuck the fade levels, they're awful.[/QUOTE]
Yeah as an idea the Fade is nice, but as a level it's atrocious.
[QUOTE=Araknid;51984419]All 3 of those games are mediocre with pretty terrible stories (Skyrim is better than the other two in this aspect)[/QUOTE]
Bad or not at least Skyrim and FO3/4 were finished games
They also didn't have good animations or acting, but it wasn't nearly as fucked up as it is in ME:A. It's also kind of the norm for Bethesda. For Bioware, a company that's making games about more characters than world building (Bethesda's all about that), ME:A being like it is, is a bit sad.
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