#YesAllWomen: California rampage sparks Twitter response - Sensationalist Headlines

[QUOTE=niel12_5D;44920211]I have no idea what you're talking about, someone else brought up guns.[/QUOTE] I'm saying that the way his tautology stoked the fires was some grade-A shit, and I mean this without a hint of irony. [editline]27th May 2014[/editline] Hey man, just because you can't appreciate art doesn't mean you need to try to tear me apart for it.

[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;44920230]I'm saying that the way his tautology stoked the fires was some grade-A shit, and I mean this without a hint of irony. [editline]27th May 2014[/editline] Hey man, just because you can't appreciate art doesn't mean you need to try to tear me apart for it.[/QUOTE] I'm not tearing you apart, I'm just trying to subtly tell you that you sound crazy.

Ain't so subtle now, now is it? [editline]27th May 2014[/editline] Checkmate. [editline]27th May 2014[/editline] Also, these tweets bother me. [t]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7333627/ShareX/2014-05/27T00-46-15.png[/t] When I was in high school, a teacher gave me a lesson that never left me. We had to write themes on famous people, and he criticized them in class. One of my classmates wrote "Oprah Winfrey is one of the most powerful black women in the world." So he tore into it. "'Oprah is one of the most powerful black people in the world.' Why is it necessary to denote black? This perpetuates stereotypes, you are implying that she is to be judged among her group, being black people. That black people are not to be judged with white people. Oprah is one of the most powerful women in the world." He continued, "And again, why do you feel the need to state women? For the same reasons above this creates subconscious assumptions about women and their place in the world. Surely, you meant 'Oprah Winfery is one of the most powerful people in the world.'" So, with this anecdote in mind, I propose this change: [t]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7333627/ShareX/2014-05/27T00-48-56.png[/t] Then there's this. [t]http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/75090000/jpg/_75090905_woman1.jpg[/t] I thought this was normal? I do this for all my family & friends if they're going to be driving for a long time by themselves. I let them know "Get home safe and if you need anything give me a buzz" so that if they get stranded in the middle of bumfuck nowhere at 3 am I can give them a ride if I can. Maybe it's just the way I was raised, but I assumed this was common fucking courtesy.

[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;44920263]stuff[/quote] I think you're looking into the first tweet too much. The case on hand is about some dude who murders women because he hates them and he thinks he's justified in that. Her tweet is obviously in reply to that dude's line of thought. The second tweet kind of makes sense. It regards men being overprotective and the belief that women can't look out for themselves. It is common courtesy, yes, but it depends entirely on the context. Would you rather have your brother or that stranger you met five minutes ago being overprotective of you?

[QUOTE=Antdawg;44920450]I think you're looking into the first tweet too much. The case on hand is about some dude who murders women because he hates them and he thinks he's justified in that. Her tweet is obviously in reply to that dude's line of thought. The second tweet kind of makes sense. It regards men being overprotective and the belief that women can't look out for themselves. It is common courtesy, yes, but it depends entirely on the context. Would you rather have your brother or that stranger you met five minutes ago being overprotective of you?[/QUOTE] Okay, fair enough, you're right. It can be creepy for people you just met, and that guy is clearly a dickhead.

There really isn't any denying that Elliot Rodger was misogynistic and all that stuff because he straight up says that women should be having sex with him because he's pretty or whatever. Like, the dude wrote about locking women up and letting them starve. The problem is that that alone is not a reason to take a gun to the streets and start shooting at random. People are arguing that the reason Rodger's attitude is to be feared is because it happens in real life and he's not just a special case, but it doesn't end in bloodshed unless there are other contributing factors; which I feel is being ignored in the name of pointing out that part of his personality and not the [I]real[/I] reason he killed those people: because he was a psycho. Raising awareness so that people [I]don't[/I] turn out like him is fine and maybe necessary, but using it as a scapegoat to argue about sexism is dumb.

[QUOTE=Doomish;44921438]There really isn't any denying that Elliot Rodger was misogynistic and all that stuff because he straight up says that women should be having sex with him because he's pretty or whatever. Like, the dude wrote about locking women up and letting them starve. The problem is that that alone is not a reason to take a gun to the streets and start shooting at random. People are arguing that the reason Rodger's attitude is to be feared is because it happens in real life and he's not just a special case, but it doesn't end in bloodshed unless there are other contributing factors; which I feel is being ignored in the name of pointing out that part of his personality and not the [I]real[/I] reason he killed those people: because he was a psycho. Raising awareness so that people [I]don't[/I] turn out like him is fine and maybe necessary, but using it as a scapegoat to argue about sexism is dumb.[/QUOTE] No mental illness by itself will cause violence. Absolutely none, and the majority of people with one are not violent. They all need external factors, which in this case mysogyny and gender roles influenced the violence. It is important to talk about because his attitudes could make others who might have a "mental illness" (most likely undiagnosed) act in similar ways. Here I use mental illness somewhat begrudgingly because it's really oversimplifying things. Plus mental illnesses are influenced by the environment, removal of negative cues can help stop them from occurring... In this case it is likely that he had Antisocial Personality Disorder (he seems to tick many of the symptoms). Of course without a lengthy in person analysis we can't know for sure, but even if he had the disorder with the highest predisposition to violence, it would not cause him to actually kill people. That is a social influence. Pretty relevant video relating to the issue [media]http://youtube.com/watch?v=3exzMPT4nGI[/media]

[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/jdneat6.png[/IMG] these people are never satisifed, are they [IMG]http://fi.somethingawful.com/safs/smilies/4/1/shrug.001.gif[/IMG]

[QUOTE=Trogdon;44921871]No mental illness by itself will cause violence. Absolutely none, and the majority of people with one are not violent. They all need external factors, which in this case mysogyny and gender roles influenced the violence. It is important to talk about because his attitudes could make others who might have a "mental illness" (most likely undiagnosed) act in similar ways. Here I use mental illness somewhat begrudgingly because it's really oversimplifying things. Plus mental illnesses are influenced by the environment, removal of negative cues can help stop them from occurring... In this case it is likely that he had Antisocial Personality Disorder (he seems to tick many of the symptoms). Of course without a lengthy in person analysis we can't know for sure, but even if he had the disorder with the highest predisposition to violence, it would not cause him to actually kill people. That is a social influence. Pretty relevant video relating to the issue (snip)[/QUOTE] I guess you're right. Now that I've thought about it some more I think both factors contributed an equal amount to what he did: His mental instability rendered him unable to change his feelings about the people around him. And that doesn't mean that he's worth sympathizing with or that his opinions of women or guys with girlfriends or anything was right or that it [I]is[/I] their fault, just that the guy didn't think about it logically because he was [I]incapable[/I] of thinking about it logically. I just don't like this news article in particular because it portrays the guy's feelings about women to be worse than the killing spree that resulted from it.

[QUOTE=wickedplayer494;44919420]The family of the murderer should be shot.[/QUOTE] I swear you go to every thread just to ask for someone to be shot. Like what the fuck are you doing.

[QUOTE=Aphtonites;44921920][IMG]https://i.imgur.com/jdneat6.png[/IMG] these people are never satisifed, are they [IMG]http://fi.somethingawful.com/safs/smilies/4/1/shrug.001.gif[/IMG][/QUOTE] troll account

[QUOTE=Untouch;44922556]troll account[/QUOTE] i've got bad news for you [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/lowneAB.png[/IMG]

[QUOTE=Teracotta;44915131]Reporting something doesn't mean it actually happened.[/QUOTE] It's people like you that make it hard for my girlfriend to seek help. Every day she has to live with the fact that she was violated, and people have that [I]same opinion[/I] that it was "her fault" and that the guy "didn't know what he was doing". It's people like you that are the real scum of the earth. I would have no issue if you were viciously beaten and left for dead, and then people said to you "Well it's your fault". Because in this case? It would be.

oh wait im thinking of someone else suey park was the person who got assmad about the colbert thing

[video=youtube;y5OdQGbVNa4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5OdQGbVNa4[/video] What the fuck is this

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;44922787]It's people like you that make it hard for my girlfriend to seek help. Every day she has to live with the fact that she was violated, and people have that [I]same opinion[/I] that it was "her fault" and that the guy "didn't know what he was doing". It's people like you that are the real scum of the earth. I would have no issue if you were viciously beaten and left for dead, and then people said to you "Well it's your fault". Because in this case? It would be.[/QUOTE] What about people that falsely report rape? Don't you think they're just as bad?

[QUOTE=Ragekipz;44923198]What about people that falsely report rape? Don't you think they're just as bad?[/QUOTE] False rape accusations are statistically insignificant. They're the equivalent of a drop in the ocean. [url]http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/mar/13/false-allegations-rape-domestic-violence-rare[/url]

[QUOTE=Ragekipz;44923198]What about people that falsely report rape? Don't you think they're just as bad?[/QUOTE] They suck as as bad, but they are rare enough that they're not an issue pretty much.

[QUOTE=Erasus;44919036]This fucking annoys me - fair enough, women experience sexism a lot more than men, I accept that, but to make a website about sexism specifically targeted at women doesn't make sense. If we're aiming for a fair and equal society please stop focusing on one fucking half, otherwise I will refuse to take anything about it seriously and will view it as soccer moms gathering for their local "We Hate All Men" meeting.[/QUOTE] Have you actually looked at the website? Because there are cases of men experiencing on both that site and twitter. If men aren't submitting cases that often, then it's not exactly fair to discredit the website for it.

"Let's take a horrific event and turn it into more fuel for our gender arguments" Seriously, this had no use.

[QUOTE=Trogdon;44921871][B]No mental illness by itself will cause violence[/B]. Absolutely none, and the majority of people with one are not violent. They all need external factors, which in this case mysogyny and gender roles influenced the violence. It is important to talk about because his attitudes could make others who might have a "mental illness" (most likely undiagnosed) act in similar ways. Here I use mental illness somewhat begrudgingly because it's really oversimplifying things. [/QUOTE] Dude you could argue VERY VERY heavily against that, while I can agree external factors play a big role, and generally there most likely is some external factor that acts like a catalyst that just makes someone go fucking nuts. But there are people born with just 0 empathy and people who just dont get that violence is bad, it never clicks, they are fucked up in the head(mental illness) and mental illness, at least the more serious and chronic kind, tends to actually be a very physical illness thats due to body chemicals or lack of them. The ones that give you feelings and emotions. It is way more common for external factors to set someone off, but just outright evil people do exist and are in fact born that way. Now it is very clear with this case that it was external factors that was just feeding his mental illness. Honestly you could probably debate this shit forever so no real reason too, it really doesnt matter, because external or not, the best way to prevent ANY of this shit is to try and get help for the mentally ill person. Sure external shit plays a part usually, but its the mental illness that is 100% what the cause will be by the end the day. Like right now, all the fucking idiots focusing on the gender shit with this psycho is just flat out retarded, there really isnt a better word, its so fucking retarded that it blows my mind. People are focusing on this kid being sexist and misogynistic, when thats not important at all, he has serious mental illness and you could replace Sexist/Misogynistic with really fucking anything, it just so happens its what became of the kid. Its very clear from his videos and writing that he was not in the right state of mind at all.

[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;44923627] But there are people born with just 0 empathy and people who just dont get that violence is bad, it never clicks, they are fucked up in the head(mental illness) and mental illness, at least the more serious and chronic kind, tends to actually be a very physical illness thats due to body chemicals or lack of them. The ones that give you feelings and emotions. It is way more common for external factors to set someone off, but just outright evil people do exist and are in fact born that way.[/QUOTE] ugggghhhhh here I am again; stepping back into this thread to tell you that this isn't true. None of this shit you posted about "psychopaths" (which is a term psychologists don't use anymore because it isn't a real disorder) and people who are "born evil" is actually true, none of it. It's just made-up nonsense with no basis in an actual understanding of mental illness. I can't even point-by-point this because it's all so blatantly false.

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;44923760]ugggghhhhh here I am again; stepping back into this thread to tell you that this isn't true. None of this shit you posted about "psychopaths" (which is a term psychologists don't use anymore because it isn't a real disorder) and people who are "born evil" is actually true, none of it. It's just made-up nonsense with no basis in an actual understanding of mental illness. I can't even point-by-point this because it's all so blatantly false.[/QUOTE] Im calling bullshit on your shit, I heard this straight from a psychiatrist himself, and a pretty damn good one at that, you can be born a sociapath/chronically depressed/etc... just like any other mental illness you can be born with. It might not pop up when your real young, like 2-10, but its still there, and can be very hard to pinpoint and diagnose at those points, because you dont know if its just some kid being a kid, or a young sociopath. the term "Psychotic" has gone nowhere as well, that's just what they refer to psychopaths now. Mental illness isnt this fucking shit thats just in your thougths, it happens because of physical problems you are born with or obtain over time, an example of having shit dopamine production, you will mentally feel like you never get rewarded or acknowledged for something like hard work, really basic example. Your body can be born fucked up this way. A lot of it, which is more recent, is your brain just having weird parts or fucked up, not enough electricity, parts that just need a jump start. Your brain is broken, like a broken arm, and now luckily they have actual electro shock therapy which isnt fucking medevil or bad. Its being used to cure shit straight up like depression, with an 80% success rate to pills like 60%. Its also being used for a wide range of shit, bi polar, schitzo. You know schitzo? Shit you are born with. Like being born with downs syndrome or autism. So yeah, you can be born fucking "evil", maybe evil is too dramatic of a word but you can be born completely fucked up in the head, fucked up enough to think killing someone or hurting people isnt bad. Sure you usually see older kids do it, generally around puberty or short after in fact, but you still hear stories like "7 year old raped sister" or "9 year old shot brother"

[QUOTE=Untouch;44922556]troll account[/QUOTE] Nope. Prominent feminist and social justice warrior. [url]http://time.com/42174/we-want-to-cancelcolbert/[/url] She kind of lead Ban Colbert.

[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;44924240] the term "Psychotic" has gone nowhere as well, that's just what they refer to psychopaths now. [/QUOTE] Please.

[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;44924240]Im calling bullshit on your shit, I heard this straight from a psychiatrist himself, and a pretty damn good one at that, you can be born a sociapath/chronically depressed/etc... just like any other mental illness you can be born with. It might not pop up when your real young, like 2-10, but its still there, and can be very hard to pinpoint and diagnose at those points, because you dont know if its just some kid being a kid, or a young sociopath. the term "Psychotic" has gone nowhere as well, that's just what they refer to psychopaths now. Mental illness isnt this fucking shit thats just in your thougths, it happens because of physical problems you are born with or obtain over time, an example of having shit dopamine production, you will mentally feel like you never get rewarded or acknowledged for something like hard work, really basic example. Your body can be born fucked up this way. A lot of it, which is more recent, is your brain just having weird parts or fucked up, not enough electricity, parts that just need a jump start. Your brain is broken, like a broken arm, and now luckily they have actual electro shock therapy which isnt fucking medevil or bad. Its being used to cure shit straight up like depression, with an 80% success rate to pills like 60%. Its also being used for a wide range of shit, bi polar, schitzo. You know schitzo? Shit you are born with. Like being born with downs syndrome or autism. So yeah, you can be born fucking "evil", maybe evil is too dramatic of a word but you can be born completely fucked up in the head, fucked up enough to think killing someone or hurting people isnt bad. Sure you usually see older kids do it, generally around puberty or short after in fact, but you still hear stories like "7 year old raped sister" or "9 year old shot brother"[/QUOTE] I'm not seeing anything in that post that implies you can't have mental illness tucked away in the deepest corners of your mind for years. Or any of the posts here really. What I am seeing is people explaining that yes, he had some clear mental disorder, but the disorder itself did not make him a murderous assmunch, it took a catalyst, something to focus on and loathe with every fibre of his being. You can be born with a sociopathic illness somewhere in there, but that does not mean you'll be "born evil", it takes some external stimulus for you to actively seek the misery of others. If we assume psychopathy is an actual thing, you again are not born evil, but you won't notice or care when you do evil things. No mental disorder will by itself make you a murderer. Pretty sure of that.

I'm happy being a white man and as long as it doesn't stop me from being one or insult me for being one go right fucking ahead. But if me being a white man is whats stopping people from getting their rights, something is wrong with the rights movement.

[t]http://i.imgur.com/fnkjW0v.png[/t] [t]http://i.imgur.com/cIESkUY.png[/t] [editline]29th May 2014[/editline] Some really disgusting people out there.

[QUOTE=Gray Altoid;44943695][t]http://i.imgur.com/fnkjW0v.png[/t] [t]http://i.imgur.com/cIESkUY.png[/t] [editline]29th May 2014[/editline] Some really disgusting people out there.[/QUOTE] That's sort of why I don't get male feminists, and why I can't really respect feminism in general. Males are useless to feminists, and I think it's borderline funny how they expect to have feminism accepted by the people it isn't already accepted by, by just calling them assholes. A feminist once told me "I don't need cishit men for anything." The blacks accepted help from the whites to end segregation, the LGBT community accepts help from heterosexuals. It's like trying to be the teacher's pet without doing any homework, it's the fucking opposite of what you need to do.

[QUOTE=virbios;44943962]That's sort of why I don't get male feminists, and why I can't really respect feminism in general. Males are useless to feminists, and I think it's borderline funny how they expect to have feminism accepted by the people it isn't already accepted by, by just calling them assholes. A feminist once told me "I don't need cishit men for anything." The blacks accepted help from the whites to end segregation, the LGBT community accepts help from heterosexuals. It's like trying to be the teacher's pet without doing any homework, it's the fucking opposite of what you need to do.[/QUOTE]Cut your generalizing bullshit. There's plenty of blacks and gays who dislike or downright hate white cis males.