#YesAllWomen: California rampage sparks Twitter response - Sensationalist Headlines

[QUOTE=l337k1ll4;44914760]I don't think you actually know what trolling means. He picked that video to post that comment on because he knew it would piss people off the most. Hence why he chose it.[/QUOTE] So fucking what? Does that mean that the phrase "kill women" has a different meaning? Does the mere act of wanting to offend people cause the entire structure of the english language to break down so somebody can say "kill women" and actually mean something totally innocent and innocuous instead? Can I just walk to a person on the street, look them in the eye, say "I am going to hurt you" and then we'll both laugh it off because I wasn't actually going to? "Trolling" isn't an excuse; that guy picked that [I]specific[/I] vid to troll with that [I]specific[/I] kind of hate. Call a spade a spade, dude. That comment's fucking sexist; if not for one reason then for another, or another. [editline]26th May 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=l337k1ll4;44914789]This is an exaggeration of a harmless defense mechanism equally prevalent in all genders.[/QUOTE] lol do you have some kind of citation for this ridiculous claim, professor?

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;44914802]So fucking what? Does that mean that the phrase "kill women" has a different meaning? Does the mere act of wanting to offend people cause the entire structure to break down so somebody can say "kill women" and actually mean something totally innocent and innocuous instead? Can I just walk to a person on the street, look them in the eye, say "I am going to hurt you" and then we'll both laugh it off because I wasn't actually going to? "Trolling" isn't an excuse; that guy picked that [i]specific[/i] vid to troll with that [i]specific[/i] kind of hate. Call a spade a spade, dude.[/QUOTE] It means that he likely doesn't believe the things he's saying and is saying them specifically to make you angry, in which case, ignoring him the correct answer.

[QUOTE=Mega1mpact;44913787]There was a guy in [del]london[/del] china who chopped up a ton of people with a big knife iirc. He didn't have any guns but he still killed a lot of people. Dailymail article because it's the first link [url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2570996/At-27-dead-109-injured-gang-knife-wielding-men-attack-train-station-China.html[/url][/QUOTE] Something a lot of people don't seem to get. If someone is whacked enough to go out and shoot people, they're just as whacked to go out and stab people or run them over in their new BMW. Gun control will not stop murders. It might stop some shootings, but it will not stop murders.

[QUOTE=Teracotta;44914829]Something a lot of people don't seem to get. If someone is whacked enough to go out and shoot people, they're just as whacked to go out and stab people or run them over in their new BMW. Gun control will not stop murders. It might stop some shootings, but it will not stop murders.[/QUOTE] It will make them harder - make it easier for docs to try and thwart their efforts for one thing.

[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;44914768]First off, no need to be rude like this. Second, no. But while they're not representative of the opinion of the majority of men, they're basically an [B]evolution of the same phenomenons[/B] present throughout society. Misogyny is institutional. It's a disdain for women and for womanhood that's backed up by social power. R9K, MRAs, The Red Pill, whatever you wanna name it... it wouldn't exist without it.[/QUOTE] This is finger pointing and looking for scapegoats. The guy was a fucking lunatic, not some advocate for men's rights.

[QUOTE=l337k1ll4;44914809]It means that he likely doesn't believe the things he's saying and is saying them specifically to make you angry, in which case, ignoring him the correct answer.[/QUOTE] Can you definitively prove whether it was a "troll" or not If I post "I'm going to shoot up a school" on facebook, saying "oohh i was [I]trolling!!![/I] XD" won't stop me from getting arrested. I [I]really[/I] don't understand how you can defend this knowing that the person who shot up a sandwich shop literally days ago posted threats and logic like that on the exact same fucking site

[QUOTE=Jeep-Eep;44914842]It will make them harder - make it easier for docs to try and thwart their efforts for one thing.[/QUOTE] Taiwan stabbings. Knives in a crowd are much more deadly than a gun. Mah auto merge!

[QUOTE=Teracotta;44914850]This is finger pointing and looking for scapegoats. The guy was a fucking lunatic, not some advocate for men's rights.[/QUOTE] You know "lunatics" are people that exist and have opinions as well, right they don't pop up out of the ground with a gun and a blank mind

[QUOTE=l337k1ll4;44914809]It means that he likely doesn't believe the things he's saying and is saying them specifically to make you angry, in which case, ignoring him the correct answer.[/QUOTE] If all he wanted to do was make people angry there are a million ways to do that [i]that don't involve posting a murderous screed about women.[/i] He chose that specific outlet when he could have just griefed people in counter-strike or something. Do you realize the vast spans of logic you're using to tell us that sexism is no big deal and that we should ignore sexist language and never try to fix our cultural attitudes? What's your goddamn horse in this race, guy? What about accepting the idea that, yeah, our society still has some fucked up attitudes towards women and we should try to fix that, is so completely impossible for you to accept that you'd use such a dazzling array of mental gymnastics to oppose anyone who says so?

[QUOTE=Tacosheller;44914858]Can you definitively prove whether it was a "troll" or not If I post "I'm going to shoot up a school" on facebook, saying "oohh i was [I]trolling!!![/I] XD" won't stop me from getting arrested. I [I]really[/I] don't understand how you can defend this knowing that the person who shot up a sandwich shop literally days ago posted threats and logic like that on the exact same fucking site[/QUOTE] Because you can actually tell clearly from Elliot's videos that he' serious and batshit insane. Even reading Youtube comments is a stupid and pointless endeavor, let alone believing what people say in them.

[QUOTE=l337k1ll4;44914870]Because you can actually tell clearly from Elliot's videos that he' serious and batshit insane. Even reading Youtube comments is a stupid and pointless endeavor, let alone believing what people say in them.[/QUOTE] how do you know that the comment wasn't serious though lmao

[QUOTE=Tacosheller;44914867]You know "lunatics" are people that exist and have opinions as well, right they don't pop up out of the ground with a gun and a blank mind[/QUOTE] They also aren't voices of the masses. They're isolated cases and shouldn't be grouped in with sane people.

[QUOTE=Xenomoose;44914702]Because homicide is the only crime in the world, right? There's no such thing as sexual assault or outright rape, is there?[/QUOTE] Oh sure, women are leading on sexual assault and rape. But now I have to tell you, these are NOT the only crimes and they DO NOT constitute the majority of crimes.

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;44914869]If all he wanted to do was make people angry there are a million ways to do that [i]that don't involve posting a murderous screed about women.[/i] He chose that specific outlet when he could have just griefed people in counter-strike or something. Do you realize the vast spans of logic you're using to tell us that sexism is no big deal and that we should ignore sexist language and never try to fix our cultural attitudes? What's your goddamn horse in this race, guy? What about accepting the idea that, yeah, our society still has some fucked up attitudes towards women and we should try to fix that, is so completely impossible for you to accept that you'd use such a dazzling array of mental gymnastics to oppose anyone who says so?[/QUOTE] I'm not saying that our society doesn't have fucked up attitudes. I'm saying that the opinions being to this extreme degree are a rarity but some people treat Elliot's attitude like all men believe that. [editline]26th May 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Tacosheller;44914879]how do you know that the comment wasn't serious though lmao[/QUOTE] Because there's no reason to assume it was. It's a completely irrelevant comment with no attempt to state an argument in any way, there's no reason not to ignore it and pretend it doesn't exist.

[QUOTE=Teracotta;44914829]Something a lot of people don't seem to get. If someone is whacked enough to go out and shoot people, they're just as whacked to go out and stab people or run them over in their new BMW. Gun control will not stop murders. It might stop some shootings, but it will not stop murders.[/QUOTE] Guns are a hella strong enabler for violence and are very impersonal, great for psychopathic killings. Sure if someone is crazed enough they may go out and stab some people, or run some people over. But that's a lot easier to manage than a guy who can propel chunks of metal at supersonic speeds into others. As long as you keep your range, a guy with a knife, broom, rubber cock, pole, hammer, etc. is not much of a threat. Guns make killing a lot easier. Mass restriction of them would cut down moment of passion murders, spree killings and suicides if done right. So whilst it is not exactly the fault of firearm availability that this occurred, they are still quite a contributing factor to the severity of it.

[QUOTE=Teracotta;44914885]They also aren't voices of the masses. They're isolated cases and shouldn't be grouped in with sane people.[/QUOTE] mras aren't exactly logical either he shared the opinions of mras and that lifestyle acted as a catalyst for violence, coupled with his unstable behavior

[QUOTE=Teracotta;44914850]This is finger pointing and looking for scapegoats. The guy was a fucking lunatic, not some advocate for men's rights.[/QUOTE] Oh come on, stop being naive. Yes the guy clearly was unstable, but he latched on to MRA culture, leading to such a feeling of "women should be subservient to me!". The two worked together to create something horrendous.

[QUOTE=l337k1ll4;44914340]Are you for fucking real?[/QUOTE] Anders Breivik was found legally sane and he shot over seventy people because of his white supremacist ideology

[QUOTE=l337k1ll4;44914892]I'm not saying that our society doesn't have fucked up attitudes. I'm saying that the opinions being to this extreme degree are a rarity but some people treat Elliot's attitude like all men believe that. [editline]26th May 2014[/editline] Because there's no reason to assume it was. It's a completely irrelevant comment with no attempt to state an argument in any way, there's no reason not to ignore it and pretend it doesn't exist.[/QUOTE] oh man, the "not all men" argument Sure, it's "Not all men" that see women as fuckboxes to put kindness coins into, but [I]enough[/I] men do to make [I]all[/I] women afraid of rape

I can't agree at all. Blaming a murder on the availability of the weapon is just idiotic. The murder is going to happen whether guns are available or not. Just look at Europe. Gun control does not stop killings.

[QUOTE=l337k1ll4;44914892]I'm not saying that our society doesn't have fucked up attitudes. I'm saying that the opinions being to this extreme degree are a rarity but some people treat Elliot's attitude like all men believe that.[/QUOTE] No, that's not what people are saying. Look, let's walk through this, you yourself admitted that: [QUOTE=l337k1ll4;44914892]I'm not saying that our society doesn't have fucked up attitudes. [/QUOTE] Ok, so you admit that society has awful attitudes about violence or women. Now, look at the vid where a murderous gunman expresses those fucked up attitudes and takes them to their extreme. Now, is it so completely impossible to accept that maybe, just maybe, there is some kind of correlation there? What makes this tiny little hop in logic seem so impossibly vast to you?

[QUOTE=hexpunK;44914918]Oh come on, stop being naive. Yes the guy clearly was unstable, but he latched on to MRA culture, leading to such a feeling of "women should be subservient to me!". The two worked together to create something horrendous.[/QUOTE] You obviously don't understand MRA. What you see is a vision that feminism painted of MRA.

[QUOTE=Ragekipz;44914889]Oh sure, women are leading on sexual assault and rape. But now I have to tell you, these are NOT the only crimes and they DO NOT constitute the majority of crimes.[/QUOTE] They're all serious problems, I don't get why we all strive to make attempts to compare.

[QUOTE=Teracotta;44914930]I can't agree at all. Blaming a murder on the availability of the weapon is just idiotic. The murder is going to happen whether guns are available or not. Just look at Europe. Gun control does not stop killings.[/QUOTE] It sure as shit stops spree killings however. We've got significantly fewer combined than the US has. I know this, I've done research for past threads. The Wiki page for spree killings in the states contains [B]categories[/B] of killings, other countries (particularly those with gun control) don't tend to have that. Just a mere list. I will blame the availability of tools designed for killing for as long as they are used in murder/ spree killings. They are a contributing factor, to deny this is totally asinine.

[QUOTE=Ragekipz;44914957]You obviously don't understand MRA. What you see is a vision that feminism painted of MRA.[/QUOTE] This applies to just about everyone in these kinds of threads. I've given up on saying it.

[QUOTE=Ragekipz;44914957]You obviously don't understand MRA. What you see is a vision that feminism painted of MRA.[/QUOTE] What is your definition of mra that doesn't include the idea that women are becoming too independent There isn't a legitimate argument that mras bring up that isn't already something feminism's goals will accomplish

[QUOTE=Ragekipz;44914957]You obviously don't understand MRA. What you see is a vision that feminism painted of MRA.[/QUOTE] MRA is a reactionary movement as a counter to "feminazis", it holds no real purpose that Feminism does not already cover. Please, tell me why we need MRA movements? Everyone I've encountered from then is deplorable as fuck.

[QUOTE=Ragekipz;44914957]You obviously don't understand MRA. What you see is a vision that feminism painted of MRA.[/QUOTE] Please, come try to turn this thread about a man who went out and killed people because of a fucked up, sexist ideology, into a thread where you defend poor little MRAs from feminists. I fucking dare you bro. Make this about you.

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;44914945]No, that's not what people are saying. Look, let's walk through this, you yourself admitted that: Ok, so you admit that society has awful attitudes about violence or women. Now, look at the vid where a murderous gunman expresses those fucked up attitudes and takes them to their extreme. Now, is it so completely impossible to accept that maybe, just maybe, there is some kind of correlation there?[/QUOTE] The attitudes that you're referring to aren't gender-specific. If I had a penny every time I've heard a friend call all men assholes when they are interested in a guy who isn't reciprocating, I'd be a millionaire. You can't just blame men for a perfectly normal psychological reaction which is that people don't want to believe that they're inferior. That belief is present regardless of gender, and is normally harmless. The problem comes when people with mental instabilities like Elliot take that harmless belief and step it up to a point where they can use it to justify killing people.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;44914964]It sure as shit stops spree killings however. We've got significantly fewer combined than the US has. I know this, I've done research for past threads. The Wiki page for spree killings in the states contains [B]categories[/B] of killings, other countries (particularly those with gun control) don't tend to have that. Just a mere list. I will blame the availability of tools designed for killing for as long as they are used in murder/ spree killings. They are a contributing factor, to deny this is totally asinine.[/QUOTE] You also have a significantly lower criminal population iirc. Shit, I haven't checked in ages but doesn't Texas alone have a larger population that GB? People have been murdering others since we were hitting shit with wooden clubs. A gun does not make it any more or less likely to happen.