#YesAllWomen: California rampage sparks Twitter response - Sensationalist Headlines

[QUOTE=l337k1ll4;44914981]The attitudes that you're referring to aren't gender-specific. If I had a penny every time I've heard a friend call all men assholes when they are interested in a guy who isn't reciprocating, I'd be a millionaire. You can't just blame men for a perfectly normal psychological reaction which is that people don't want to believe that they're inferior. That belief is present regardless of gender, and is normally harmless. The problem comes when people with mental instabilities like Elliot take that harmless belief and step it up to a point where they can use it to justify killing people.[/QUOTE] So women call men assholes when they don't have sex Men [I]kill and rape[/I] women when they don't have sex if you can find me ten cases of this happening to a man, you win

[QUOTE=Teracotta;44914850]This is finger pointing and looking for scapegoats. The guy was a fucking lunatic, not some advocate for men's rights.[/QUOTE] He was an active participant in these groups and clearly espoused their ideals, as you can see in his manifesto and other various videos.

[QUOTE=Tacosheller;44914996]So women call men assholes when they don't have sex Men [I]kill and rape[/I] women when they don't have sex if you can find me ten cases of this happening to a man, you win[/QUOTE] The only people who take it to those extremes are people like Elliot, people who are insane enough to do that.

[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;44915004]He was an active participant in these groups and clearly espoused their ideals, as you can see in his manifesto and other various videos.[/QUOTE] Being a self proclaimed part of a movement doesn't mean the rest of said movement agrees with your own personal beliefs. Feel free to try and twist a lunatics actions to your own personal vendetta, but I'm not interested.

[QUOTE=Teracotta;44914991]You also have a significantly lower criminal population iirc. Shit, I haven't checked in ages but doesn't Texas alone have a larger population that GB? People have been murdering others since we were hitting shit with wooden clubs. A gun does not make it any more or less likely to happen.[/QUOTE] We normalise the crime rates to the populations for this reason. A lower criminal population does indicate a societal issue (that won't be fixed because "AHHHH SOCIALISM!!!" from what I've seen), however access to firearms appears to be enabling spree killings, something we have basically none of here. The last one I can think of was that guy with a shotgun driving around a village I think, that was years ago. Sure murder as a whole may not change too much. But extreme outlier events that cause national tragedy every time they occur might drop enough for it to be a non-issue.

[QUOTE=l337k1ll4;44915018]The only people who take it to those extremes are people like Elliot, people who are insane enough to do that.[/QUOTE] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics[/url]

[QUOTE=hexpunK;44915026]We normalise the crime rates to the populations for this reason. A lower criminal population does indicate a societal issue (that won't be fixed because "AHHHH SOCIALISM!!!" from what I've seen), however access to firearms appears to be enabling spree killings, something we have basically none of here. The last one I can think of was that guy with a shotgun driving around a village I think, that was years ago. Sure murder as a whole may not change too much. But extreme outlier events that cause national tragedy every time they occur might drop enough for it to be a non-issue.[/QUOTE] There may be other causes for a lower rate of crimes like this in the UK though. For example, not having to go broke in order to receive treatment for crippling mental issues. Guns aren't great, sure, but the problem isn't that people are using guns to kill people, the problem is that they want to kill people.

Just to put the "who has more violence committed against them" argument down, Ragekipz' own source says that men experience about [url=http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/cvus0601.pdf]10% more violence[/url] than women. (Page 15) Of course, not all crimes are reported, and there are other studies.

[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;44914768]First off, no need to be rude like this. Second, no. But while they're not representative of the opinion of the majority of men, they're basically an [B]evolution of the same phenomenons[/B] present throughout society. Misogyny is institutional. It's a disdain for women and for womanhood that's backed up by social power. R9K, MRAs, The Red Pill, whatever you wanna name it... it wouldn't exist without it.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Venezuelan;44897206]Sorry max I hate TRP as much as you but if that were the only factor and mental illness wasn't one then we'd have a lot more incidents like this wouldn't we? It has a lot more in common with average psychopath behavior than average PUA behavior. Occam's razor.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=hexpunK;44915026]We normalise the crime rates to the populations for this reason. A lower criminal population does indicate a societal issue (that won't be fixed because "AHHHH SOCIALISM!!!" from what I've seen), however access to firearms appears to be enabling spree killings, something we have basically none of here. The last one I can think of was that guy with a shotgun driving around a village I think, that was years ago. Sure murder as a whole may not change too much. But extreme outlier events that cause national tragedy every time they occur might drop enough for it to be a non-issue.[/QUOTE] Frankly, this shouldn't even be a national tragedy. It's fucking Treyvon Martin but with three women instead of some black kid. If Rogers was such an mra and trp advocate, why did he kill his three male roommates before going out and shooting women? Why did he stab them I'd like to add.

[QUOTE=Last or First;44915054]Just to put the "who has more violence committed against them" argument down, Ragekipz' own source says that men experience about [url=http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/cvus0601.pdf]10% more violence[/url] than women. (Page 15) Of course, not all crimes are reported, and there are other studies.[/QUOTE] I wonder how much of violence against men is committed by men in comparison to violence against women by men that would be pretty interesting

[QUOTE=l337k1ll4;44914981]The attitudes that you're referring to aren't gender-specific. If I had a penny every time I've heard a friend call all men assholes when they are interested in a guy who isn't reciprocating, I'd be a millionaire. You can't just blame men for a perfectly normal psychological reaction which is that people don't want to believe that they're inferior. That belief is present regardless of gender, and is normally harmless. The problem comes when people with mental instabilities like Elliot take that harmless belief and step it up to a point where they can use it to justify killing people.[/QUOTE] Yo Professor, just so you know, this "expert analysis" is nonsense. This isn't grade school. You absolutely don't have the slightest clue what you're talking about. Part of psychology is about building holistic diagnoses. Your expert diagnosis of this guy's psyche that discounts the possibility that this specific brand of MRA/TRP sexist ideology was involved conveniently ignores the videos and the manifesto where he very specifically uses terminology and expresses the specific permutation of attitudes that belong to this belief system's adherents. Don't quit your day job because you suck at this.

[QUOTE=Shreddinger;44915067]aaa[/QUOTE] if you actually read any of his posts you'd know that even he conceded it wasn't the only factor

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;44915090]Yo Professor, just so you know, this "expert analysis" is nonsense. This isn't grade school. You absolutely don't have the slightest clue what you're talking about. Part of psychology is about building holistic diagnoses. Your expert diagnosis of this guy's psyche that discounts the possibility that this specific brand of MRA/TRP sexist ideology was involved conveniently ignores the videos and the manifesto where he very specifically uses terminology and expresses the specific permutation of attitudes that belong to this belief system's adherents. Don't quit your day job because you suck at this.[/QUOTE] I'm sorry, but at no point in his videos does he say anything that compares him to a normal person. Maybe in your warped view of the world where you only see R9K and Red Pill sure.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;44914977]MRA is a reactionary movement as a counter to "feminazis", it holds no real purpose that Feminism does not already cover. Please, tell me why we need MRA movements? Everyone I've encountered from then is deplorable as fuck.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Tacosheller;44914971]What is your definition of mra that doesn't include the idea that women are becoming too independent There isn't a legitimate argument that mras bring up that isn't already something feminism's goals will accomplish[/QUOTE] Why must my rights be advocated by people that don't understand my situation? Feminism exists because women need people that understand what hardships they go through to say what needs changing. The same should be true with men. [QUOTE=SigmaLambda;44914979]Please, come try to turn this thread about a man who went out and killed people because of a fucked up, sexist ideology, into a thread where you defend poor little MRAs from feminists. I fucking dare you bro. Make this about you.[/QUOTE] I'm not the one makign the thread about me. It's about a mentally ill guy that went on a rampage. People are making this be about a gender war.

You people are so desperate to blame this on something opposing your own views. The kid was a psychopath. Nothing more, nothing less.

[QUOTE=l337k1ll4;44915104]I'm sorry, but at no point in his videos does he say anything that compares him to a normal person. Maybe in your warped view of the world where you only see R9K and Red Pill sure.[/QUOTE] if any degree of that view didn't exist in the general population of men, rape would not happen however, over 250,000 cases of rape are reported every year, and that's just in developed countries, and even [I]then[/I] that's just the ones reported in those countries

[QUOTE=Tacosheller;44915121]if any degree of that view didn't exist in the general population of men, rape would not happen however, over 250,000 cases of rape are reported every year, and that's just in developed countries, and even [I]then[/I] that's just the ones reported in those countries[/QUOTE] Reporting something doesn't mean it actually happened.

[QUOTE=Teracotta;44915070]Frankly, this shouldn't even be a national tragedy. It's fucking Treyvon Martin but with three women instead of some black kid. If Rogers was such an mra and trp advocate, why did he kill his three male roommates before going out and shooting women? Why did he stab them I'd like to add.[/QUOTE] Yeah, discharging a firearm days before this "day of retribution" inside his apartment sounds like a great way to ruin his plans. From what I've seen he was jealous or hateful of them, those killings were more personal, he had intentions with that. The shooting outside of that was less targeted by far. Just because he is a MRA kinda guy doesn't mean he's going to leave men out of his retribution. As people have been saying throughout this entire thread, mental illness, MRA culture and a few other factors all contributed to the event.

[QUOTE=Teracotta;44915112]You people are so desperate to blame this on something opposing your own views. The kid was a psychopath. Nothing more, nothing less.[/QUOTE] Christ you people are so fucking clueless about what mental illness is and isn't. Having and expressing this warped view where the world is full of "crazy" people who just snap and shoot people up for no reason makes the problem worse, you know.

[QUOTE=Ragekipz;44915106]Why must my rights be advocated by people that don't understand my situation? Feminism exists because women need people that understand what hardships they go through to say what needs changing. The same should be true with men. I'm not the one makign the thread about me. It's about a mentally ill guy that went on a rampage. People are making this be about a gender war.[/QUOTE] feminism is about equalizing the genders and if you think it's just for "advancement of women" you've fallen into the trap that MRAs have set for you any systematic hardships men face are fixed by the goals of feminism, your definition of MRA is redundant

[QUOTE=Tacosheller;44915121]if any degree of that view didn't exist in the general population of men, rape would not happen however, over 250,000 cases of rape are reported every year, and that's just in developed countries, and even [I]then[/I] that's just the ones reported in those countries[/QUOTE] There were a hell of a lot more murders than that, does that mean our culture condones murder? No it means that murderers and rapists are criminals and are both punished very harshly.

[QUOTE=Teracotta;44915131]Reporting something doesn't mean it actually happened.[/QUOTE] Yeah okay obviously 250,000 people are liars every year of [I]course[/I]

[QUOTE=Teracotta;44915112]You people are so desperate to blame this on something opposing your own views. The kid was a psychopath. Nothing more, nothing less.[/QUOTE] These events are never this simple. You're just portraying mental illness as a whole negatively here. Huh...ironic that. You refuse to believe anything you like could be at fault, you're defending them fervently. Must be some correlation there, but I just can't quite put my finger on it...

This might as well have been posted in mass debate since you're all so desperate to spin the story and not actually listen to any opposing views.

[QUOTE=Teracotta;44915162]This might as well have been posted in mass debate since you're all so desperate to spin the story and not actually listen to any opposing views.[/QUOTE] ah yes, opposing views like "not all men!!!" and "women have it easy!!" "rape doesn't happen"

[QUOTE=Teracotta;44915162]This might as well have been posted in mass debate since you're all so desperate to spin the story and not actually listen to any opposing views.[/QUOTE] I'd be listening to the opposing views plenty if they weren't all so clueless.

[QUOTE=Tacosheller;44915175]ah yes, opposing views like "not all men!!!" and "women have it easy!!" "rape doesn't happen"[/QUOTE] I don't see where not all men aren't psychotic murders isn't applicable in this argument. The rest are just straw men that you're throwing out.

[QUOTE=Teracotta;44915162]This might as well have been posted in mass debate since you're all so desperate to spin the story and not actually listen to any opposing views.[/QUOTE] "oh woe is me, from my tower of privilege I cannot see what I need to see! They must just want some of me!"

[QUOTE=Tacosheller;44915175]ah yes, opposing views like "not all men!!!" and "women have it easy!!" "rape doesn't happen"[/QUOTE] There's literally 1 guy that said that rape doesn't happen, the main counter argument is that he was already a psychopath, if the misogyny that's prevalent in today's society reinforced his urges, that's debatable. Social factors obviously didn't play a major part in this.